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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: syke]
    #9881084 - 02/27/09 10:17 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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i tried whole foods and they looked at me like i was making a bomb....i never feel like i belong there...lol




Are you sure you weren't just self-consciously paranoid? It's used in canning... the Whole Foods crowd ought to be down with canning.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9881152 - 02/27/09 10:27 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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i tried whole foods and they looked at me like i was making a bomb....i never feel like i belong there...lol




Are you sure you weren't just self-consciously paranoid? It's used in canning... the Whole Foods crowd ought to be down with canning.




yea positive, i was scouring the vitamin isle which is where someone told me to look, while i was there an employee asked if i needed anything so i told her citic acid or sour salt she didnt know so she marched me over to the grocery dept manager and asked him and he knew exactly what i was talking bout and told me he didnt carry it and he doesnt know why, then they eagle eyed me out of the store,

that reminds me of a quote " just because im paranoid doesnt mean there is no one out to get me"  lol


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #9881190 - 02/27/09 10:31 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Maybe you guys aren't reading my post correctly...

Cactus to crystal using NO CHEMICALS.

Based on the techniques outlined in this thread, one is able to extract crystalline alkaloid from fresh cactus WITHOUT use of acids, bases, solvents, or ANY chemical besides pure distilled water.

This is blowing my mind.





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Please make a tek on mescaline carbonate extraction if you think you have something.





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Working on it.

Is that what it is? Carbonate?





BUMP

how is it coming along? cuz if you did this then you would be the alexander shulgin of mescaline extractions!


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: syke]
    #9881310 - 02/27/09 10:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, if you're getting crystals without adding any acid, then mescaline carbonate is the most likely candidate.

If you check the pH of distilled water, it's almost always around pH 6 (it's always acidic, below pH 7)... that's because the distilled water dissolves carbon dioxide from the air.

I suppose it might also be mescaline tannate, cactus seems to have a decent amount of tannin

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9883647 - 02/28/09 11:07 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

More likely it's just oil/wax or some other plant material.
There are always little soap nuggets that form when doing an A/B.
(I think that's what they are.)

But, I'd like to hear about it.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9892494 - 03/01/09 07:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

:nothingtoadd:
Im in the process right now


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9895624 - 03/02/09 10:14 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

okay-- I finally got home and weighed my first pull off this new try and it weighed about 1.7grams of alkaloid salts!!! 

so my new technique to use with this tek will be letting the basic lye/cactus mixture sit for  a week before doing the 1st pull-- and then waiting 2 days between successive pulls from the same jug.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9895993 - 03/02/09 11:31 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

It's legit, just a little impure (600 gave good psychedelic effects, nothing mindblowing though.)

I'm sure an acetone wash or even a recrystallization would purify.

Check out the thread I made in C+P.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9896180 - 03/02/09 11:59 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Or you could up the NaOH to 450g and let it sit for 3-4 days initially, then do daily runs from there.  Some cactus seems to have a higher goo factor than others, so do whatever works best for you and your materials. 

The only problem with overloading the first pull is that it can make it hard to collect crystals from the xylene.  If it's all (or mostly) in solution during collection, you can be assured of getting it all out of the salting jar.  Yes, any loss will be gotten on the next run, but why not get it the first time if you can?

But, it's good to know that you're getting positive results.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #9897630 - 03/02/09 04:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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It's legit, just a little impure (600 gave good psychedelic effects, nothing mindblowing though.)

I'm sure an acetone wash or even a recrystallization would purify.

Check out the thread I made in C+P.




link for the lazy???


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: P.Menace]
    #9903312 - 03/03/09 12:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Im in the process right now




     

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9906191 - 03/03/09 07:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Swim is at a total loss at what to do next. He has tried this tek twice, with two different sources of cactus, and gets nothing but citric acid when the water is evaporated. He even tried a full a/b, but got the same results. He thought the first failure was because he did not let the cactus sit in the lye solution long enough before doing the first pull. The second time he tried this tek, he let it sit for a full week before the first pull, but still nothing but a sour yellow film is left on the evaporation plate. He does not think his chemistry skills is the problem, because he is able to easily extract snow white crystals of DMT from mimosa. His last resort is to just try drinking the cactus tea instead of doing a full extraction, but if the problem is because of weak cactus, then he would have to drink the disgusting brew for nothing. Any thoughts or opinions are welcomed.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: idlecicle]
    #9910693 - 03/04/09 02:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Try a tea.


BTW if you know that your cactus is extra gooey and doesn't separate that well, then you could add only the basic water and cactus to the jug at first and wait for a couple of days before adding the xylol.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9911515 - 03/04/09 04:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Today when swim looked at his most recent evaporated pull, it wasmostly a yellow  film like before. However when he looked closer, he did see a few very tiny crystals starting to form.  Since he has saved all of the yellow goo that is left over after each pull, he has decided to try doing a mini a/b on that, to see if there are any alkaloids trapped in the citric acid. After dissolving it into a small amount of distilled water, he added some NaOH, and will then do a xylene pull, and try to salt that. He isn't getting his hopes up, but at this point it is worth a try. Is there any possibility that he is adding too much citric acid, and that is why he is left with the yellow film instead of crystals? Everything is measured out fairly precisely for the salting step (24ml of water to .4 g citric acid per pull), give or take 50mg of citric acid. Since his cactus may be weak, should he try using less citric acid? What should the ph be for the salting step?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: idlecicle]
    #9915085 - 03/05/09 06:28 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well, Swim did something right. After none of his pulls freeze precipitated, he thought that he had failed. As a last resort he combined all of the saved pulls from the citrate tek, the full a/b, and the mini-a/b of the yellow goo, and soon started to see crystals precipitating! The only problem is that he does not know which method worked best. But he is not complaining. That just means more experimentation for him. The only conclusion he has came to, is that the combined pulls tend to precipitate better than the individual ones. Since the crystals are slightly yellow, and look a lot like citrate crystals, he will attempt to clean it up. Is it best to do an acetone wash, or should he just try to precipitate and recrystalize in distilled water?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: idlecicle]
    #9916098 - 03/05/09 11:43 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Could be weak cactus, I suppose.

Add hot distilled water to your product, mix, then put it into the freezer.  Freeze, then thaw and collect the water away from the crystals with a dropper.

I am a bit confused about what you're calling an A/B and what you call a mini-A/B. 

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9917888 - 03/05/09 03:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I may have been a bit unclear about that. After Swim thought that he failed the first time with this straight-to-base tek, he tried a full a/b (extracting with acidic water first, and then adding NaOH). He also took the yellow goo that was the result of his first try, and diluted with water, added NaOH, pulled with xylene, then salted with citric acid. That is what he meant by "mini-A/B".

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: idlecicle]
    #9918039 - 03/05/09 04:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

You probably had a major excess of citric acid to start with and used a more appropriate amount when you salted the second time. 

I hate weak cactus.  It's so much work for such little return.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9932728 - 03/08/09 09:50 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Let me just say that this recipe works perfectly for the highest quality torch grown in Peru at high altitude.

But, some Heavenly domestic suppliers offer a variety of cactus that prefers a few variations on the recipe. 

One discovery already mentioned is the technique of letting the cactus break down in the lye water for a couple of days before adding the xylol.  This really cuts down the emulsion factor. 

Also, letting the salting jar sit overnight with the xylol and acidic water together seems to precipitate out MANY more crystals than freeze precipitation of the water that was relatively immediately collected. 

If you are having trouble getting proper results, you may want to try these variations.


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HCL x 1.25 = H2SO4

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9935199 - 03/08/09 06:57 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Ok so heres one for you...
jars at 3 days, Xylene added on day 2...

Whats that yellow layer? is that mescaline?
and heres the product made with Muriatic acid diluted according to extazzas tek

With the flash on it looks ok.... but this is its true colors

Green... its fucking green.... Is this right or am i right to assume that this is totally wrong?


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