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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9704615 - 01/30/09 09:00 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Or you could simply freeze the cactus/water mix and pour off the remaining xylene.IMO it would be a waist of time because after my fifth pull I ened up with no mescaline.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
    #9710717 - 01/31/09 08:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

er the 3rd one dried to a goop. wuts up with that the first two dried solid and weighed double what the citric used did? its been evaporating for like 12 hrs i guess i see how solid it is tonight?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9710782 - 01/31/09 09:08 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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04281969 said:
No.  You don't need to get all of the xylene out of the jug every time, and you don't need to get all of the alkaloids out of the xylene every time.  It's not going anywhere.  By the time you're finished with the process, you will exhaust the cactus of it's alkaloids.

Do the five runs and put that aside.  Then you can mix some more citric acid water and do some more extractions if you are worried about any mescaline left.  (Just keep that separate because you will not get anything you want in your good mescaline.)

Trust the tek.




He speaks the truth. I talked to my buddy who still has my 2 jugs. he ran another run with some citric acid water he mixed up on his own. He got jack squat. 5 pulls is enough. Looks like 2 might be enough in your case. :wink:


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9710802 - 01/31/09 09:15 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

so is mescaline citrate 50% mescaline? how does 1 gram from 60g of torch compare to others' yield?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9711075 - 01/31/09 10:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Read the thread.

Potency information

But, that's for the freeze precipitated crystals.  To figure what you have after a total evaporation, you'll have to consider the molecular weight of each. 
Ask a science teacher how to figure what you've got.  Just kidding - ask an algebra teacher. :wink:  Or, just recrystallize it. 

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9711187 - 01/31/09 10:53 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

cool, but it does seem that i have some weak cacti ay?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9711837 - 01/31/09 01:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't actually watch, so all I can say is that you got a rather small yeild.

From the last extraction I paid close attention to, I got 4.8g of precipitated crystal, and the remaining water slowly evaporated to .65g of some brown junk citric acid and extra alkaloids. 

Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9711949 - 01/31/09 01:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

And here's a trip report from a while back.

Mescaline Citrate 400mg Trip Report


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HCL x 1.63 = M.C.
H2SO4 x 1.3 = M.C.
H2SO4 x .80 = HCL
M.C. x .61 = HCL
M.C. x .77 = H2SO4
HCL x 1.25 = H2SO4

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9764640 - 02/09/09 06:48 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

A friend of mine tried recently tried this extraction, and is almost done with the process. However, the results do not look very promising. He is beginning to think that the reason is bunk cactus. He followed the procedure almost exactly with a few minor adjustments. Instead of using 100 grams of cactus powder, he used somewhere closer to 130 grams of powdered peruvian torch, and used KOH instead of NaOH. (using 450 grams instead of 300. a few more spoon fulls of KOH was also added to eliminate the small emulsion that formed) Other than that, the procedure was followed exactly. After 5 pulls, the water was allowed to evaporate to about half the original volume, and then put in the freezer. After allowing to thaw, there is no evidence of any crystals forming at all. He has not thrown any of the materials away yet, so he was wondering if there is anything else he can try, or if he should just give up, and try with better cactus?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: idlecicle]
    #9764655 - 02/09/09 07:10 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i haven't gotten anything to freeze precip, but yellowish crystals that are left from evaporating are definately active not sure how pure tho so dosing is not so accurate, definately isn't much easier on the stomach than actually eating the cacti


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9765611 - 02/09/09 12:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Greetings to the OP and everyone!  :grin:

I did this extraction three times and on this 3rd one I did something a bit different.  the 1st two extractions yeild about 2.5g each of evaporated alkaloids, freeze precipitation did not work for me.  a 300mg dose gave good +2 effects so for me I think a good starting dose would be 600mg and a heavy dose would be 800-1000mg. 

anyway, on this 3rd attempt at using this tek I prepared the jug with lye/water, cactus powder, and xylol.  let it sit for 24 hours then gave it a good shake up for 5min every 2 hours over a 16 hour period.  Next I went on a road trip and left the jug in a cupboard at home for about 2 weeks... when I came home I did the shake up routine for a few hours and then let the layers sparate and continued with the extraction process.  The 1st pull off this jug yeilded a HEAVY amount of salts which litterally covered the entire evaporation dish-- I have not yet weighed the product of that 1st pull but I would estimate the yeild to be somewhere as much a 2x to 5x greater than the previous jugs which were only allowed to set for 24-48 hours.

Conclusion: patience is a valuable virtue and you should excersise patience when using this tek!  Good things come to those who wait!:sandwich::brucelee:


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9790313 - 02/13/09 12:26 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Hi there people. I had an account here for a while, but I have since forgot the username/password. I never posted much anyway (don't do the forum thing very often), but this thread brought me back. I've just got one question. Forgive me if it's already been covered, I only read the first 15 pages or so.

Could you use all of the acid + water at the same time and just reuse it for each salting? If that would be doable would it be best to add a 1/5 of the acid each time? I'll be dealing with HCl so maybe a small drop each time?

Thanks very much for this thread, by the way.

Edited to shorten it up. I was pretty long winded before.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: killfoot]
    #9809793 - 02/16/09 06:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Killfoot,

if you are using HCL then try looking up the easy mescalineHCL tek by Ekstaza...  that should be right up your alley... as far as this tek is concerned, do not modify any steps in the process as it will work perfectly well when followed to the letter- just as long as you have good chemicals and do not deviate from the instructions.  several of us in this thread have done exactly as the recipe says and have had acceptable results.

several variables I can think of off the top of my head that will affect your final product will be 1) strength and quality of chemicals used 2) quality of cactus 3) your skill level and ability to be patient.

thanks for reading and: :goodluck:


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9814077 - 02/17/09 12:43 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Some cactus, I have recently found, can be extra, extra slimy and gelatinous.  Maybe it has to do with the processing of the skins?  Whatever the case, it makes the jug of cactus a gallon of green snot for a couple of days at first.  Even with a cup and a half of lye, it is one homogeneous blend after a day and a half.  It can't stand up forever, though.  The lye will get to it.  It's just a matter of waiting.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9814337 - 02/17/09 01:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

SWIM tried Eskas HCL tek and ended up with shitty results.SWIM is now trying the Citrate tek (stepbystep)and just finished evaporating his first pull.SWIM ended up with a hard clear layer coating the bottom of the Pyrex dish.After scraping it up(shit was like melted hard candy)it turned into a yellow colored solid.Any ideas on what this could be?SWIM was wondering if it was just citric acid and no mescaline.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
    #9814452 - 02/17/09 01:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like straight citric acid.
(Or at least mainly citric acid.)

Why didn't you get good results from your attempt at HCl?  Maybe your cactus is weak?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9814471 - 02/17/09 01:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

FUCK!SWIM has followed everything as instructed.This is his 3rd attempt
(first with Citric acid)and so far he has came up with almost nothing(200mg off 200grams)he has also used two different vendors thinking that it was just weak cactus.What could be the problem?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
    #9814820 - 02/17/09 02:59 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

OKAY!!  try and let the jug of lye water/cactus sit for a week before doing the extraction.  The mescaline will not come out of the cactus until the cactus begins to break down from the NaOH...


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
    #9815714 - 02/17/09 05:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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SWIM tried Eskas HCL tek and ended up with shitty results.SWIM is now trying the Citrate tek (stepbystep)and just finished evaporating his first pull.SWIM ended up with a hard clear layer coating the bottom of the Pyrex dish.After scraping it up(shit was like melted hard candy)it turned into a yellow colored solid.Any ideas on what this could be?SWIM was wondering if it was just citric acid and no mescaline.





Coincidentally, the exact same thing happened to a friend that did the extraction. He left the pyrex plate of water evaporating for a few weeks. Once he saw that there were no crystals, he just forgot about it. He needed the evaporation dish for cooking tonight, so when he went to clean it off, he noticed that there was a clear layer of something built up in the corner. Once scraped up with a razor blade, it looked exactly like honey in color and consistency.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: idlecicle]
    #9818550 - 02/18/09 06:04 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

SWIMS second pull evaporated over night and he ended up with 600mg of some fluffy(light)powder.Does this sound like he is on the right track?

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