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DNBplus
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9659946 - 01/22/09 04:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man go to Garden Ridge or a store that sells cheap home decor.I got two half gallon jars(Look almost like jelly jars)at the dollar tree up the street from my house.Also check the organic food section for some juice or something(for some reason it seems they like to put organic juices in glass bottles).
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9666224 - 01/23/09 04:10 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, is it 2.5g of freeze precipitated mescaline citrate crystals, or is it 2.5g of re-evaporated citric acid with some alkaloids in it?
sorry it took a while to get back-- no, it's just re-evaporated alkaloid salts. I did a low dose on the train, approx 300mgs-- which took me to about a +2 level and made my appetite disappear.
So now I'm still wondering if this cactus is just really really weak.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
#9667416 - 01/23/09 07:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you used 2 grams of citric acid and got 2.5 grams out, that means 0.5 grams of it is mescaline... that's the weight of the freebase, not the salt. of the 2g citric acid, 0.15 grams are now bonded to the mescaline. So what you have is 0.65 g mescaline citrate, and 1.85 g citric acid.
and this would indicate some fairly weak cactus would it not??? I ate 300mg spaced 100mgs every 30min. and it was enough to feel markedly dosed after about 1.5hrs. Feeling a little sweaty and trippy with dialated pupils and a bit of confusion. I think eating a gram of the alkaloid salts would be a strong experience but on the whole the alkaloid mixture in citrate is somewhat weak. Maybe better quality cactus would make nicer salts. Next time I'll try the 'other' supplier
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9671441 - 01/24/09 02:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Im ordering 10 kilos of cactus and i want to do this extraction but how should i make the cactus into cactus powder? Can i do it with fresh cactus?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Pilz719]
#9671649 - 01/24/09 03:30 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pilz719 said: Im ordering 10 kilos of cactus and i want to do this extraction but how should i make the cactus into cactus powder? Can i do it with fresh cactus?
is it really you pilz? how many sacs of shrooms is your guy giving you for $100.00? I hope he gives you at least 4 sacs
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Pilz719]
#9672278 - 01/24/09 05:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Pilz719 said: Im ordering 10 kilos of cactus and i want to do this extraction but how should i make the cactus into cactus powder? Can i do it with fresh cactus?
Read the entire thread. I know it's loads of flaming to sift through. But this has been covered. Plus you could always just dry it out in the sun or oven. Good luck.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: doitagain]
#9674299 - 01/25/09 01:33 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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doitagain said:
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Pilz719 said: Im ordering 10 kilos of cactus and i want to do this extraction but how should i make the cactus into cactus powder? Can i do it with fresh cactus?
is it really you pilz?
The people demand to know!
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9689312 - 01/27/09 03:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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04281969 said: It's hard for me to believe that these things are no longer in circulation.
Try a farmer's market or something.
It's true man. NO, I repeat NO NONE has half gallon glass jugs of anything. Not grocery stores anyway. they are all plastic. I can get 1 gallon jugs of wine all day. I can even get 1 liter wine jugs. Half gallon is just difficult to find. But don't worry, I WILL find it. If not, I'll just do the full 100 grams in a 1 gallon again. I have 500 grams of torch coming real soon. FROM YOUR SOURCE!!!;) I will try a farmers market. Maybe I will have some luck.
Side note: Is that etching on your jugs? Or just smudginess?
I just checked a couple of days ago. Gallons and half-gallons of apple cider are still for sale at Kroger's.
No, that isn't etching, just frozen water. And maybe dirt from the garage.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9689629 - 01/27/09 04:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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04281969 said:
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04281969 said: It's hard for me to believe that these things are no longer in circulation.
Try a farmer's market or something.
It's true man. NO, I repeat NO NONE has half gallon glass jugs of anything. Not grocery stores anyway. they are all plastic. I can get 1 gallon jugs of wine all day. I can even get 1 liter wine jugs. Half gallon is just difficult to find. But don't worry, I WILL find it. If not, I'll just do the full 100 grams in a 1 gallon again. I have 500 grams of torch coming real soon. FROM YOUR SOURCE!!!;) I will try a farmers market. Maybe I will have some luck.
Side note: Is that etching on your jugs? Or just smudginess?
I just checked a couple of days ago. Gallons and half-gallons of apple cider are still for sale at Kroger's.
No, that isn't etching, just frozen water. And maybe dirt from the garage.
That's weird, Kroger was the first place I checked. Maybe glass jugs are an East coast thing.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9689904 - 01/27/09 04:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ask them to get some in. Tell them you don't like the taste of plastic. It does ruin the flavor, in my opinion. I'll never get a good glass of V8 again.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9690172 - 01/27/09 05:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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04281969 - Question for you... I have read all over this thread and have a question if you might know it. I am planning on doing an extraction whenever my cactus comes in, getting a kilo. I was planning on using HCL instead of the citric acid though. Do you know if I should still use the same measurements for everything, especially the acid? Also, for the gallon jug I just got a 4 liter bottle of wine, which looks exactly like the bottle on the right in your picture a couple posts up. Do you know if that lid is safe to use or if I should find something else to use in its place?
I have looked at a few different teks on here and this one is by far the easiest to understand.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: dsotm12345]
#9690298 - 01/27/09 06:02 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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dsotm12345 said: 04281969 - Question for you... I have read all over this thread and have a question if you might know it. I am planning on doing an extraction whenever my cactus comes in, getting a kilo. I was planning on using HCL instead of the citric acid though. Do you know if I should still use the same measurements for everything, especially the acid? Also, for the gallon jug I just got a 4 liter bottle of wine, which looks exactly like the bottle on the right in your picture a couple posts up. Do you know if that lid is safe to use or if I should find something else to use in its place?
I have looked at a few different teks on here and this one is by far the easiest to understand.
I used a 4 liter wine jug. It worked perfect. If you are using muriatic acid, (which is a diluted 33% solution of HCL), I'm pretty sure you only need to use a few drops (yes, drops from a dropper ) per liter of water. If you use too much, you will end up with a nasty brown product indicating such.
Also HCL is not food safe and you will need to clean your final product. Why not just follow the tek like it says?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9690416 - 01/27/09 06:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is muriatic acid and I already had it around. I am aware it's not food safe and have read teks that use it. This tek is just easier to understand. I could try with citric acid first and save the Hcl for a later extraction.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: dsotm12345]
#9690577 - 01/27/09 06:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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HCl is fine. And food safe! So food safe in fact that you could not digest food without it. Check out Ekstaza's tek for better measurements on HCl
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: dsotm12345]
#9690861 - 01/27/09 07:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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dsotm12345 said: It is muriatic acid and I already had it around. I am aware it's not food safe and have read teks that use it. This tek is just easier to understand. I could try with citric acid first and save the Hcl for a later extraction.
I used 6 drops of HCL per 1.5 cups water and 50 grams of P. torch 1.5 quarts water ,150 grams lye,pint xylene and aloowed the base to set for 48 hrs befor first pulls.The results ver ok(could hva ebeen better)due to the fact I only used 50 grams of weak P torch (IMO)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9691054 - 01/27/09 08:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just checked out Ekstaza's tek and that looks like the tek I should use since I'm going to use HCl. I'll probably try this one too and compare the results.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: dsotm12345]
#9691065 - 01/27/09 08:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Word, it all works. It's the same tek in principle, just a different ion on the H+
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
#9693489 - 01/28/09 09:22 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea, the excess HCl should evaporate off. The main safety issue with HCl is the chlorine fumes.
This is an A/B extraction like the others out there. I just wanted to tailor it specifically for citric acid. No figuring or calculating necessary, just follow the directions. If you are going to change it, do your homework.
The only real advantage of making citrate over HCl is that you can crystallize the end product while making it to achieve a relativly pure product instread of having to REcrystallize after it evaporates.
Edited by 04281969 (01/30/09 08:35 AM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9701492 - 01/29/09 06:29 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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hey so if i just scraped up nearly a gram from only 2 pulls, should i use more citric? the 2 pulls had ~.4 in citric so it seems every citric salt was 'linked' and i'm wondering if i would have put more citric in that it would have enabled more linkage...?
it just seems funny that i got exactly double so im guessing there was some left behind in the xylene
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
#9704529 - 01/30/09 08:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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No. You don't need to get all of the xylene out of the jug every time, and you don't need to get all of the alkaloids out of the xylene every time. It's not going anywhere. By the time you're finished with the process, you will exhaust the cactus of it's alkaloids.
Do the five runs and put that aside. Then you can mix some more citric acid water and do some more extractions if you are worried about any mescaline left. (Just keep that separate because you will not get anything you want in your good mescaline.)
Trust the tek.
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