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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: libertaire]
#9623189 - 01/16/09 08:13 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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i know but it should freeze precipitate, which it didn't... felt like i waited for water to freeze and melt back to water stupidly expecting something spectacular to happen
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
#9623517 - 01/16/09 09:24 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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You should be getting something. Did you follow the recipe exactly?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9623523 - 01/16/09 09:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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You did read the part about using 1/5 of the acid water for each pull right? Not the entire 1/2 cup (120 ml). Where did you get your cactus? Maybe you got ripped. This TEK works like a charm. If you do what it says BY THE NUMBERS... you can't go wrong.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9623620 - 01/16/09 09:54 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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i did it in small scale as sort of a test run, the OP said you could do it in a half gallon jug and just scale everything in half... but i couldn't find a large jug with a good lid, so i had to do it in a quart jar, i've used these jars to get dmt and they worked great just had several going at once for larger extraction....
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
#9625343 - 01/17/09 08:32 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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No actually he said you need to use 3/4 cup LYE, and cut ever thing else in half. did you do that? Or just 1/2 cup lye? How is your math with everything else?
It should have been:
3/4 cup LYE
1.5 quarts water
50 grams cactus powder
1/2 quart Xylene (2 cups)
1/4 TEAspoon citric acid diluted into 1/4 - 1/2 cup distilled water ( the amount of water does not matter )
Is this what you did? If you used less LYE, that's the mistake.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9625344 - 01/17/09 08:36 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Did you premix the LYE water then divide among 2 quart jars??? Or did you try to divide the lye into the jars???It seems like it would be easy to make mistakes if you are dividing up everything by 2.
I would suggest people follow this TEK exactly how the instructions say. Otherwise the OP cannot guarantee that it will give the same results.
Sounds like you are not following the TEK, you are doing your own thing.
I'm not trying to be a dick. I want you to succeed, and the only way that will happen for sure is if you DO IT CORRECTLY.
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Edited by UberDeepName (01/17/09 08:41 AM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9625702 - 01/17/09 10:57 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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On my first try I used not enough lye and after I added the xylene I got absolutely no separation.I even added a shit load more lye and still nothing,and after that I added a shit load of salt still nothing.On my second attempt I kind of combined the citrate tek with an HCL tek and everything seemed to work out as planed but my yield was not great.I used 50grams cactus and an acidic solution with a PH of 2.5.I think my cacti was weak:(only got like 150-300mg
Edited by DNBplus (01/17/09 10:58 AM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
#9627141 - 01/17/09 04:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have no idea what you've done.
"Kind of combined" the teks? I don't know what that means, and I really don't care to try following you. I can not make guesses at how far you've deviated from the instructions I've given, and what the results of those deviations might be.
"but i couldn't find a large jug with a good lid, so i had to do it in a quart jar"
You're not very resourceful, are you? Couldn't track down a half gallon of apple juice? They sell them at the market.
Enough posts that start out with, "I didn't follow the directions and it didn't work."
Follow the directions. It's just that simple.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9627592 - 01/17/09 05:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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First of all I said nothing about qrt jars,LOL and its not that hard to follow instead of using citric acid I used HCL to achieve a PH of 2.5 and instead of removing the acidic water with a baster I froze the water and poured off the xylene.I had to use what I had and I did not have citric acid.I also never said it did not work,I just said that my yield was not that great and maybe it had to do with the cactus.I think the citrate tek is an excellent tek and I would have loved to follow it but I did not have the citric acid like I said and I though that the HCL tek and the Citrate tek were very similar so I would make my base as instructed in the citrate post and my acidic water as instructed in the HCL tek.
Edited by DNBplus (01/17/09 05:40 PM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
#9627631 - 01/17/09 05:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry, but I'm not going to decipher that.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9627872 - 01/17/09 06:39 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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UberDeepName said: No actually he said you need to use 3/4 cup LYE, and cut ever thing else in half. did you do that? Or just 1/2 cup lye? How is your math with everything else?
It should have been:
3/4 cup LYE
1.5 quarts water
50 grams cactus powder
1/2 quart Xylene (2 cups)
1/4 TEAspoon citric acid diluted into 1/4 - 1/2 cup distilled water ( the amount of water does not matter )
Is this what you did? If you used less LYE, that's the mistake.
ya i pretty much did every thing you just mentioned but in half... since it was in a quart jar, used like 100g of lye... i'm pretty sure i mixed the lye fine cuz it seperated perfectly, from other comments i think if i didn't used enough lye it wouldn't seperate so will from the solvent?
but what was different than you said, and where i believe my problem occured, is i used 1g of citric in 120ml, and then used 1/10 (scaling to 1/4) i'm thinking i should have just used 1/5 of the acid instead of 1/10... anyway i now know that the acid must have reacted- because i dried the same amount of citric water and it dried to a white color, and the citric water that was mixed with the xylene dried to a yellowish color...
anyway when i do my second pull tonight i will use 1/5 of the citric water instead of 1/10 and see how it goes....
o ya and OP i did look for jugs at my grocery store the largest apple jug was 1.5 liters, and i bought the apple juice before and remember it had a rubber seal in the lid. I really am impressed by the dedication you put into your thread, but with all due respect you can be rude. do you really think i wanted to deviate from your instructions? well i didn't but some people make the best they can with what they have, and i really didn't want to order a proper jug online when i have lots of jars, especially after already ordering a pipette and citric and got about 50 bucks in this project not including the cacti...
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9627890 - 01/17/09 06:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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no prob its not that hard and I never asked you to,you started attacking me for no reason I never said that the citrate tek did not work and I did not even say the steps I followed did not work,all I was saying was that I did not follow the directions in the first place by not adding enough lye.I posted that because uber told sur that his problem might be that he did not add enough lye.I had already came across this problem so I shared what happened to me when I did not add enough lye(just sharing personal fuck up)and after that I stated that the steps I used seemed to work out fine but I did not end up with much finished product(not to mention I only used 50grams to experiment with since I was using HCL and not citric acid).Was never knocking the tek and really was no bitching about anything beside the potency of my cactus.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
#9627905 - 01/17/09 06:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Like sur said some of use have to use what we have.Also for the record I am not wanting to get on your bad side I am just on this post to obtain knowledge and I believe that you have a lot to give so I mean no disrespect
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
#9628091 - 01/17/09 07:21 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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also i only scaled the acid part because it was advized by the OP, but i was originally thinking wouldn't it be best NOT to scale the citric water, because (unless i misunderstand) your mixing the water and acid to get a specific ph range, wouldn't you need the same ph no matter the amount of cacti?
idk but im pretty sure i messed the citric part up, since salting is new to me. unless i get a solid answer, i think i'll just try with both 2gs and a 1/2gs and see which has better product, but it seems i should use 1/10 instead since i'm only dealing with a cup of xylene
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
#9628101 - 01/17/09 07:23 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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btw i don't think i'm 'deviating' from you instruction, as i'm following it exactly. just scaling to the best of my knowledge
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
#9630911 - 01/18/09 09:32 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yea, sorry about getting raw on the subject, but I am just about through with it. Scaling is deviating. Follow the recipe or do your own thing. I can't help you because I haven't done what you're doing. Try it and see is all I can tell you.
BTW, you're looking for a certain number of acid molecules to link up with an estimated number of alkaloid molecules, not a pH range.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9630952 - 01/18/09 09:48 AM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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I understand that(to an extent)but I did not want to get the PH to low because I have seen some post were OP have added to much acid and got a nasty brown goo.I just really wanted to see what Ph I was working with in case I need up with a brown gooey substance I would know next time that I needed to lower the acidity of my acid/water mix,and I could make sure that it was lower by checking the PH level(maybe I am making it more complicated than it really is).Like I said be for I am a noob I have extracted other things be for and I am just trying to get a better understanding of A/B extractions,and I have you to thank for pointing me in this direction.I am waiting on my citric acid to come in so I can follow the Citrate tek step by step,I just got excited and wanted to give it a shot with what I had at the time. I will say it again thanks for the kick ass tek
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9632996 - 01/18/09 05:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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04281969 said: Yea, sorry about getting raw on the subject, but I am just about through with it. Scaling is deviating. Follow the recipe or do your own thing. I can't help you because I haven't done what you're doing. Try it and see is all I can tell you.
BTW, you're looking for a certain number of acid molecules to link up with an estimated number of alkaloid molecules, not a pH range.
as far as not being able to help that last part was very helpful although i think i messed up my extraction, at least i learned from it. i really didn't plan on dosing anyway just try to figure out a good measurements for the jars i already have, and see how the product weighs (from the first evaporation i got about .02 more weight than the citric, so at least i know its working, think i'll do one more similar test run with less citric more water... i think i'll just order a jug exactly like in the tek when payday comes round...
also the thought of shaking up a gallon jug of lye water just sorta made the hair on the back of my neck stand up...
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
#9639691 - 01/19/09 05:05 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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Get yourself a gallon jug of Apple Cider.
To mix, you can simply roll it back and forth on the floor. (Just don't roll it into anything.)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9647728 - 01/20/09 06:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago) |
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any ideas what size of a cork i should get for this or maybe a where to order em?
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