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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9603144 - 01/13/09 06:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
    #9603240 - 01/13/09 06:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Sodium Bicarbonate is a weak base, but I would guess that in strong solution it would work to effectively form a mescaline freebase, which is what the lye does. Let me see if I can find confirmation

here is a post detailing the chemical logistics of an A/B extraction.

I'm pretty sure that baking soda would work. It makes available the same chemicals that lye does, and the PH shouldn't matter too much so long as the solution is identifiably basic


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9603425 - 01/13/09 07:12 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

so in theory you could also use Calcium Carbonate (aka- hydrated lime) or Potassium Hydroxide. 

I figured since it was my 1st try, then maybe best to just use what is specified in the recipe and just use extra caution.  So far so good, I'd say it's best to wait longer than 24 hours between extractions though.

if you have any luck with baking soda let us know-- it's used in other organic extractions I've read about so maybe...


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9603518 - 01/13/09 07:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, those would work as well, unless the mescaline freebase requires sodium to form. These would make for interesting experiments but if all you want is sexy mescaline crystals I'd stick with Lye on the basis that we know it works.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9603541 - 01/13/09 07:27 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:lol:
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sexy mescaline crystals



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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9604492 - 01/13/09 10:08 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Baking soda? Interesting. That won't blind you will it? I am kinda scared of the LYE. I'm super careful with it.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9606483 - 01/14/09 07:17 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Baking soda is ridiculously weak.
You need a STRONG base to dissolve the cactus plant matter and move your alkaloids into the non-polar.

BTW, I think potassium hydroxide is an acceptable substitute, but I've never actually tried it.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9606508 - 01/14/09 07:30 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You're probably not allowed to post this sort of information, so if anyone knows the best place to obtain san pedro powder online, would you be so kind as to PM me?  Thanks!!

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: libertaire]
    #9608729 - 01/14/09 02:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

is it ok to shake the xylene with the base water really hard, it doesn't seem to want to mix at all


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9609102 - 01/14/09 03:36 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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is it ok to shake the xylene with the base water really hard, it doesn't seem to want to mix at all




If you follow the recipe, you don't have to worry about emulsions. So YES. Shake the F out of it. At first I spent quite a while getting it all homogenized(sp) by rolling, turning end over end... but fuck that. Shake that fucker up. If you do get an emulsion, put it in a bucket of hot water, that will fix it. But you need to get it nice and mixed THEN let it settle into 2 layers to get successful pulls. Allow at least 4- 6 hours to separate after mixing too.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9609320 - 01/14/09 04:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Ok, yeah that was my concern. Heh, just last year I'd be able to figure out the PH of a weak base in concentrated solution but that knowledge has completely left me.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9609396 - 01/14/09 04:38 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I just weighed the product of the 1st two pulls from my 2nd attempt at this and it was a tad over 2 grams.  my total for the 1st attempt was 2.5g from 100g so we'll see if this is consistent.  Could just be some weaker cactus, in which case it's really a good thing I'm extracting it...  All the same if 100g gives 2.5-3g then 1kg would give 30g-- and that's plenty of mescaline to share with fellow hamsters :hamsterdance:


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9609405 - 01/14/09 04:42 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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here is a post detailing the chemical logistics of an A/B extraction.




Yeah, except the author makes a VERY dangerous mistake in the instructions!  He says (in reference to mixing up a solution of lye) to "add the water to the pellets, not the pellets to the water."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is absolutely WRONG!!!!!

Always, always, always, slowly add the pellets to the water!!!!!!!

N.B.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9609415 - 01/14/09 04:43 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

SWIM did his first pull last night and waited 48 hrs be for hand.He did not come up with much at all,he is going for the second pull in A few hours.Hopefully this pull will have better results.I dont know if it because he is using HCL or if you really dont get much out of the first pull:(

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Nature Boy]
    #9609453 - 01/14/09 04:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Gastronomicus said:

here is a post detailing the chemical logistics of an A/B extraction.




Yeah, except the author makes a VERY dangerous mistake in the instructions!  He says (in reference to mixing up a solution of lye) to "add the water to the pellets, not the pellets to the water."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is absolutely WRONG!!!!!

Always, always, always, slowly add the pellets to the water!!!!!!!

N.B.




Eeh, yikes. Didn't read the whole thing but yeah. That's not a smart idea.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9609561 - 01/14/09 05:04 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I know this might be a stupid question but would it be worth a seventh full with a solvent other than xylene like maybe naphtha?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
    #9609650 - 01/14/09 05:18 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

A seventh pull with a different non-polar solvent? No, you won't get anything extra out of it. Besides, Naphtha is a lousy solvent for mescaline, or so I've read.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
    #9609702 - 01/14/09 05:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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SWIM did his first pull last night and waited 48 hrs be for hand.He did not come up with much at all,he is going for the second pull in A few hours.Hopefully this pull will have better results.I dont know if it because he is using HCL or if you really dont get much out of the first pull:(





HCl isn't going to precipitate crystals, as far as I know.  You need to do the total evaporation method, then recrystallize if you want a more pure product.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9609981 - 01/14/09 06:05 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

that is what I have read but I have also read that Hcl is pretty potent by weight.Is it a good idea to agitate the base mixture between pulls?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
    #9610037 - 01/14/09 06:11 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Since no one has responded, I'll ask directly.  I think it should be ok to post this link, since I've seen it posted around before.  Does anyone know if this is a reliable source for san pedro powder:

edit, thanks

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