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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: DNBplus]
    #9584883 - 01/10/09 05:54 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

WOW. Just WOW. We got a room at this bad ass hotel last night. I dosed 600mg, my wife did 500mg. It was AMAZING. I am HEALED BROTHERS!!! I don't have time to go into it right now, but I will right up a trip report ASAP. So to all... this Tek works and the citrate is bomb. Shit tasted like ass, but the effects came on FAST and lasted all night. I can't wait until I do it again. Thanks to OP for all the help. This is true medicine, from God. It is meant to be used. It has truly changed my life. :christ:


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9584908 - 01/10/09 06:00 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It is one of the good things in life. 
It is not some poison you get a "buzz" from. 
It's a medicinal psychedellic if there ever was one.
Mescaline seems to exist for a reason.

And it's good knowing exactly what you're putting into your body. 
There's no uneasiness or doubts about purity (rational or not). 
It just makes for a more confident feeling throughout the trip when there's no chance of toxicity because you have absolute control over quality.

Yea, the taste is like an aspirin without that "sweet" edge to its bitterness.  It's a pretty rugged gulp if you're drinking it down in water Huxley style. 

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9585009 - 01/10/09 06:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Ok so i've used quart jars to do an a/b extraction with dmt, i remember i went off some ratio to mix the mimosa,lye, and water... its been several months but if my stoner memory serves me well it was: 50g lye:50g mimosa: 750ml water

i don't have any corks for bigger jugs i have so i'll have to just do it with a quart jars, so will 50gs of peruvian be alright, could i use more?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9585103 - 01/10/09 06:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Like I mentioned before, with 50g, a half-gallon apple cider bottle is perfect, and use 3/4 cup lye, but cut everything else in half. 

To make your acidic water, you could still use the same amount of water if you want to (1/2 cup), but cut the amount of citric acid in half (to 1/4 teaspoon, or 1g).

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9585180 - 01/10/09 06:53 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

ya but the only thing i have with a lid that will stand up to an extraction are quart jars,

is 50g:50g p torche: 750ml water not going to work with torche like it did with mimosa?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9585224 - 01/10/09 07:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Spend $2.50 on a jar of apple cider, and enjoy it first.
Preparation and patience are essential.

I don't understand your question.
Follow the instructions and you can't go wrong.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9585467 - 01/10/09 07:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

doesn't apple cedar have a rubber seal lid? i have half gallon jugs from my local brewery but there is a rubber seal, does apple cider not have that?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9586320 - 01/10/09 10:05 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

lol i guess ill check walmart 4 it tomorrow...blah


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9586358 - 01/10/09 10:09 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Check out my trip report for last night. I hope you like it. It took a while to type up. Enjoy!!!

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9586333/an/0/page/0


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9589744 - 01/11/09 02:44 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

:1upshroom: RIGHT-ON!!! :rainbowcloud:


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9597375 - 01/12/09 07:48 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Okay--  scale arrived in the mail and I figured my total extraction on the 1st jug was 2.5 grams mescaline-citrate from 100grams of dried T. Panchanoi.  I did a 6th and 7th pull but didn't get anything substantial... just to satisfy my curiosity.

I had some problems on the 2nd jug, the crystals were not coming out into the citric-water.  I end up with a milky looking extract that dries into a sticky semi-opaque looking puddle with little or no crytal formation.  The only thing I did different was I added the cactus powder before the NaOH was finished reacting with the water-- so the powder was subjected to a bit of heat from the reaction.  after that first pull and the negative results I decided to let the jug rest a full 24hrs. to see if the basic water would help break out more alkaloid.  We'll see tonight as I complete the 2nd pull on that jug, fingers crossed, it will continue to be a success...  maybe this particular cactus is not the best around or maybe impurities in the water are fouling the solution I just don't have the experience to make a definitive conclusion.  I did check my 1/2 tsp. measure with the digi scale and it turns out to be quite close to 2g so I doubt it is excess citric causing troubles.  Just to be on the safe side I'm about to go get some more RO h2o for the next pull and hope for the best.

anyone with experience with these sorts of problems is welcome to offer constructive criticism or troubleshooting theories.

Thanks!

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9600279 - 01/13/09 08:36 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You didn't start them at the same time, did you?
Are you waiting 24 hours between each pull?
It sounds like your second pull on the second jug should be successful.
It sounds like you got too few alkaloids on the first run, like you said.
The heat shouldn't have destroyed the mescaline.
Just give it time.

2.5g is a bit low, but it should still be enough for 4 or 5 good trips. 

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9600408 - 01/13/09 09:17 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

no- I started the 2nd jug after the 1st was almost done.  yeah-- so far the second pull on the 2nd jug went really good, I just let it set a while (48 hours) and then began the regular extraction.  Also I switched containers for the acid solution from a plastic water bottle to a glass juice bottle and used fresh RO water. 

one thing I'm noticing on this 2nd jug is that when I get into the salting bottle and shake it up, the solvent/water layers take a long time to separate and even then there is a sort of milky/slimy looking layer between the solvent and water...  I've been using a sep funnel.

  This did not happen on the 1st jug and the only thing I have done different was to add the cactus and lye-water to the glass jug before the lye had finished reacting.  for the 1st try I mixed the lye and water in an empty HDPE jug and let it complete the reaction and the heat dissipate before adding to the glass jug and cactus/solvent.  So maybe this is causing troubles with emulsion layers?  IDK but thanks all the same  04281969  this thread is awesome and it's been a great introduction to organic chemistry :lol:

one other question, what do you use to clean your glass from all the used xylol?  would 99% iso-alcohol work ??


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9600450 - 01/13/09 09:35 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

If your separations are clean, you should have no extra layers.
A sep funnel just complicates matters.

I use soapy water to clean the glass. 
Then, just let it dry.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9601994 - 01/13/09 03:05 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

huh?  I thought the sep funnel made it easier to recover the water from under the solvent... plus I access to one, so...

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If your separations are clean, you should have no extra layers.




what do you mean exactly?  like lye-cactus layer getting into the salting bottle?  What I have seen on a couple pulls was a layer of coudiness between the solvent and the acid/water with little bubbles in it.  it seems to recede somewhat if I let it sit for a good 20 minutes before separating

the 2nd pull turned out to be about 1g of alkaloid salts so its moving along now.  I have  saved extraction that was all cloudy though--  I'm thinking there are quite a bit of alkaloid in it but not sure how to clean it up.

other than that little hiccup I'd say I'm happy with the results and look forward to trying it again and again and again-- hopefully with even better results


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9602034 - 01/13/09 03:13 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You probably have an emulsion. If it was between the cactus/solvent layers you could break it up with a touch more lye, but I'm not positive what to use for a solvent/acid emulsion. I vaguely recall reading that epsom salt will do the trick but don't quote me 100%.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9602404 - 01/13/09 04:20 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Thanks for your input Gastro, I don't like handling that stuff any more than absolutely necessary but if it will work in this instance it may be worth a try.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9602448 - 01/13/09 04:29 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Bravo, this tek seems sound in theory and is easy enough for most people above and beyond the average I.Q. of a half-empty jar of mayonnaise. Xylene and Lye might be a little hard to come by for the average home chemist. I don't know about you guys, but Lye is IMPOSSIBLE to find here. I've read up on making caustic soda at home, do you think that I could use it instead of lye to bring down the Ph?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Rewrite]
    #9602506 - 01/13/09 04:42 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Dude Rewrite, Caustic Soda = Lye and it is NASTY shit!  It is very corrosive in concentrated ammounts.  I wouldn't try making it at home--  that just sounds like asking for trouble.

if you have a complete brewery/winery supply house in your area you might check there for Lye/Caustic soda/Soduim Hydroxide/NaOH.  It's all the same thing.  They should also have the 100% pure citric acid as well because it is used as a preservative in wine and juice production.  Don't ever mix acid and lye or it will foam over and possibly spread caustic acidic ooze all over the place.  If the brewery supply doesn't stock the Lye then you can mail order it on Ebay but the shipping is a bit spendy and takes a while because it is considered an ORM-D (consumer commodity)hazardous material-- so USPS wont ship it, only fed-ex

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9602954 - 01/13/09 06:02 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

You know, lye isn't needed. Any base should do the trick, like baking soda.


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