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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8191819 - 03/25/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Ever thought about experimenting with other recrystallization solvents? For mescaline HCl, good results have been reported with acetone/water, acetone/IPA, MEK/water, acetone/MEK/water, etc...

Over on the nook, Tregar wrote up a summary of the dual- and triple-solvent recrystallization attempts that he'd found.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8191883 - 03/25/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It might be interesting to see if I could get it even more pure.  Though, I know from the difference in sensation (and the basic theory of crystallization) that I have a relatively pure product already.  But, yea.  I'm always curious to experiment.

EDIT: I've found that recrystallization with distilled water as the solvent works very well.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8192365 - 03/25/08 04:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quick question...where can Citric Acid be found?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: beebop]
    #8192374 - 03/25/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Most grocery stores that have a bulk section will have it there. If that fails, maybe try the cooking aisle, or wherever you'd look for canning supplies.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8195399 - 03/26/08 06:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8200308 - 03/27/08 07:54 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

love your recipe!  :mushroom2:


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: old mushmellow]
    #8225816 - 04/01/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

in your experience, what is the best way to separate the water from the mesc. citrate crystals when fridge percipitating?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: jfoster]
    #8229660 - 04/02/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

anybody?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: jfoster]
    #8231431 - 04/02/08 11:22 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Here are a couple of questions:

During the evaporation step, should/could I combine all 5 extractions in the Pyrex? I am assuming this is what is being said.

04281969- Did you just go with the powdered skin to get such a great yield?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ethnoguy]
    #8232508 - 04/03/08 08:08 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Jfoster, filtration, ideally with vacuum. If you can't do vacuum press the paper between some tissue to get most of the remaining water out. I'm not sure how it's solubility changes with temperature though, you might need to filter it in the fridge if the crystals redissolve when it warms up. Thats the advantage of vacuum filtration, it's so quick it wont get a chance to warm up.

Ethnoguy, yeah you can combine all the aqueous extractions.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: jizmaster]
    #8233399 - 04/03/08 01:07 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

is there any way to guess how much fresh cactus it would take to make 100g of powder? Would, say, one 18in cutting get the job done?


EDIT: I guess if you were just using the skins, one cutting probably wouldnt do it anybody thy this with fresh cactus yet?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: jfoster]
    #8270593 - 04/11/08 05:37 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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in your experience, what is the best way to separate the water from the mesc. citrate crystals when fridge percipitating?




I would use the pipette I used to separate the water from the xylene.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ethnoguy]
    #8270622 - 04/11/08 05:45 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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04281969- Did you just go with the powdered skin to get such a great yield?




Dried Peruvian skins that I powdered myself.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8271691 - 04/11/08 09:45 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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04281969 said:
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04281969- Did you just go with the powdered skin to get such a great yield?




Dried Peruvian skins that I powdered myself.




Alright cool. Well I used a combo of 12 in macrogons, 24 in bridgesii, and 12 inch of pedro. I have some powdered skin left over, but not much. It is amazing how so much cactus ends up to be so little. It looks like I am going to have a good yield though. Thanks for this tek. I would have never even attempted it without this tek. You rock.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ethnoguy]
    #8277123 - 04/13/08 10:34 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

This tek does not work!!!

I recently tried the mescaline citrate tek and yielded 520 mg of mescaline citrate. I swallowed it and the effects were hardly psychoactive. Nothing close to what Huxley experienced. Just very minor visuals.

Sorry people but I would look elsewhere b/c whatever this person is reporting to be a tek... is not!


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ytrewq]
    #8277131 - 04/13/08 10:39 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

bummer


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SaintDunsmere]
    #8277376 - 04/13/08 11:55 AM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Don't listen to ytrewq, I don't think he knows what he's talking about. The tek as outlined works perfectly fine, it's very very similar to the process I did a few years ago.

Here's what happened: his extraction probably didn't go very efficiently, or maybe the cactus was just weak. Anyway, he ended up using significantly more than an equimolar amount of citric acid when salting the mescaline. Since citric acid isn't volatile, the mass of the extra acid remains in the product along with the mescaline salt.

From the fact that 520 mg did nothing, i'd guess that at least 50+% of the product was citric acid.

His options are to re-base it, extract back into a nonpolar solvent, and salt it again with significantly less citric acid, or post on here whining that a perfectly good method "doesn't work".


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8278375 - 04/13/08 04:06 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Qwerty, the directions are as simple as I can make them, and yet success eludes you.
There's nothing more that I can do for you, but the tek is good.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8305429 - 04/19/08 06:21 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Um whatever.

I did the tek EXACTLY EXACTLY as it was written. No extra citric acid, no weak cactus, just your bad tek.

I discourage any1 trying it highly!!!!!

No trip. No feeling. Bad tek.

BAd, bad, bad, bad, bad. Don't bother. Its pathetic


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ytrewq]
    #8305691 - 04/19/08 07:30 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

:whatever:


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