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04281969
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
#8150251 - 03/15/08 05:03 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Have you tried it?
no. i probably will do an HCL extraction in the near future when i have some extra cacti laying around, but for now i see no need. i get off quite nicely with an alcohol extract, and its just as convenient as swallowing a powder (i just have to eat a few more grams of powder ). its all mescaline in my belly, either way. i know people who have done the full extraction, and crude alcohol extracts, as well as teas. to them the full extraction is just overkill.
Surely you must know the frustration of describing the virtues of something to someone who will not give it a try.
Thanks for your input, though. Yes, cactus is really great.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8150387 - 03/15/08 05:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Surely you must know the frustration of describing the virtues of something to someone who will not give it a try.
Thanks for your input, though. Yes, cactus is really great.
you know what. you have inspired me, i'm going to try it just because of you. and to see what all the fuss is about. (i doubt ive been missing much, cactus is just awesome in general)
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Edited by ShroomDoom (03/15/08 05:34 PM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
#8150408 - 03/15/08 05:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good!  Just do it carefully and cleanly. You'll be so happy you did.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
#8151130 - 03/15/08 08:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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ShroomDoom said:
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04281969 said:
Have you tried it?
no. i probably will do an HCL extraction in the near future when i have some extra cacti laying around, but for now i see no need. i get off quite nicely with an alcohol extract, and its just as convenient as swallowing a powder (i just have to eat a few more grams of powder ). its all mescaline in my belly, either way. i know people who have done the full extraction, and crude alcohol extracts, as well as teas. to them the full extraction is just overkill.
I can say with absolute certainty now that I will never go back to the putrid tea again! and the alcohol method is....well....just kind of a raggedy feeling. Yeah the citrate takes some time and effort, but well worth it. What could you possibly mean by overkill? To what degree do you feel that all the pulp and other garbage adds to what you're looking for anyway?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8152696 - 03/16/08 09:13 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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can h2so4 be substituted???????
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: old mushmellow]
#8152743 - 03/16/08 09:39 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, but you probably want a general mescaline extraction tek (ie Ekstaza's) for that. Sulfuric acid makes hthe saulfate salt, which makes the prettiest crystals.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
#8152776 - 03/16/08 10:12 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Give me a break. You're arguing that mother nature tossed in all the alkaloids to get us humans high. How kind of her. Thats some funny shiz man.
i dunno. i looked at my post and i never saw an argument that cacti make alkaloids to get us high. maybe you need to reread what i wrote. slow down.
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hardly. mother nature didn't adulterate cacti to make a profit. those other alkaloids color and add to the experience, they arent meant to fabricate the feeling of mescaline(like adulterated E pills) but enhance it.
now, if you actually take the time to read the post you can see i was just illustrating how stupid of an analogy you made.
whole cacti:mescaline citrate::pressed pills:MDMA powder ^^^^ i doubt i am the only one who sees the serious flaw in this comparison. chemists and pressers put other alkaloids into pills to make a profit. they even put chemicals like speed and ephedrine in pills to mimic the effects of MDMA. where is the profit in adding 5-meo-mescaline and tyramine to cacti? there isn't, all they do is add to the experience in an extremely subtle way, perhaps even enhancing it. im not claiming to know the meaning why cacti are here on earth, or why the cacti contain alkaloids, but its unfair to compare mother nature to some scummy street pill presser. she deserves more respect than that, dont you think?
I will explain myself better. I was extremely hungover when I snapped at you so I will also apologize if my tone was somewhat offensive.
The comparison I was making is between pure MDMA pills and unpressed molly crystal.
Even though the chemical is the same, there are subjective differences.
Pure molly crystal is by far the cleanest, purest feeling one can ever experience by consuming 'ecstasy'. Pure pills come close, but there is something subtle and yet amazing about consuming pure MDMA crystal (especially if recrystallization is done). It might be due to unwashed MDMA being pressed into pills, I'm not really sure.
It is similar to cactus tea versus mescaline crystals.... not the best analogy I know, but its the best I could think of off the top of my head.
Trust me I know all about the adulterants in MDMA pills. That's why I haven't taken MDMA for over 10 years.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: wilycoder]
#8152877 - 03/16/08 10:54 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sulfate crystals do look great, and HCL is readily available.
I just hope you all enjoy this tek for what its worth.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8152891 - 03/16/08 10:56 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8156670 - 03/17/08 10:13 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Oh! Definately!!:)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: old mushmellow]
#8178971 - 03/22/08 08:06 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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... return?
Edited by 04281969 (03/22/08 08:19 AM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8178999 - 03/22/08 08:18 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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As for the return, four extractions were done, crystals were collected, separated, and evaporated totalling 3.25g. The remaining acid water (still nearly saturated with alkaloids) was used for another fifth run which yeilded 1.55g more crystals. The water that was left over from that left some crystals and a sticky film that slowly dried to .65g.
 So all in all, 5.45g of mesclaine citrate (and other alkaloids) came back from 100g of dry cactus skin.
Edited by 04281969 (03/22/08 08:35 AM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8179070 - 03/22/08 09:00 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Very nice work.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
#8180212 - 03/22/08 03:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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i'm definately impressed with the yields. 5 grams from 100g of cacti aint bad.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
#8181156 - 03/22/08 08:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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any one emphasis the importance of using glass for as much of the process as humanly possible since xylol eats plastic? I've seen some pretty horrifying TEKS where plastic is readily used for most of the process.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
#8182907 - 03/23/08 10:26 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well, I think that HDPE or some types are okay to use. I prefer to go with glass.
Just always dilute your lye before you put it into the big jug. If it sits on the glass for too long, it can etch it and cause it to become brittle.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8183019 - 03/23/08 11:08 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okay, one last attempt to get an accurate measurement of the product’s potency. When dissolved in water, the white crystaline powder results in a very bitter liquid.
The leftover liquid that evaporated down to .65g tastes tart like citric acid. So, I am going to say that there is .4g citric acid in the evaporated material.
That leaves 1.6g of citric acid in the other product that weighes 4.8g.
That is roughly 1/3 of the total weight of the mescaline citrate crystals, showing that the citric acid molecules are linked to two mescaline molecules. To check the potency per mescaline molecule, I cut the weight of citric acid used in half (to 96g/mol), to get…
300mg mescaline HCL x (211+96)/(211+36.5) = 372mg mescaline citrate.
HCL x 1.24 = M.C.
And when the Erowid chart on mescaline HCl is adjusted for the citrate:
Threshold - 124 mg Light 124 - 248 mg Common 248 - 372 mg Strong 372 - 620 mg Heavy 620 - 868 mg
Edited by 04281969 (01/02/09 07:59 PM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8183205 - 03/23/08 12:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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looks good.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: truffleupagus]
#8191337 - 03/25/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Great thread
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: C_T]
#8191695 - 03/25/08 02:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Edited by 04281969 (03/26/08 08:13 AM)
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