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tobydoo
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8143441 - 03/13/08 08:47 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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One more question, and really, thanks for this TEK. combined with some other research, yours really pulled the whole concept together nicely. Anyway, is the onset of the crystal product the same as traditional tea or sustantially quicker? Thanks again.
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04281969
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
#8145152 - 03/14/08 08:21 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Quicker, cleaner, and more constant. It still comes on in waves, but more like a rising tide.
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tobydoo
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8145519 - 03/14/08 10:51 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Truly one last question!! In your experience, what are the trip differences between pure mescaline citrate extraction and total Mescaline + alkaloid extraction (evaporation). I would guess that the first would be more sedate and floaty....I could be wrong! Thanks again. Oh, and what would the ramifications be if you extracted the mescaline (precipitation)- and then simply evaporated out the other alkaloids? Ingesting alkaloid only.. (alkaloids being from T.Peruvianus). Thanks!!
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04281969
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
#8145931 - 03/14/08 12:47 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix
Of course, you won't be able to remove all of the remaining mescaline from the other alkaloids. What you evaporate is always going to be a fairly high percentage of mescaline. It just won't be absent other alkaloids like the pure crystal is.
I haven't tried the extraneous alkaloids yet, but I too assume it will be more "sedate and floaty".
Edited by 04281969 (06/12/09 08:13 PM)
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tobydoo
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8146083 - 03/14/08 01:34 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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What I meant was what is the difference, trip wise, between doing the pure crystal MINUS the alkaloids and doing the crystal WITH the alkaloids (evaporation method water, acid, mesc. W/total alkaloids). Thanks for the patience
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tobydoo
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
#8146091 - 03/14/08 01:37 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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In other words, what is the "pure crystal" mescaline citrate like compared to evaporating everything.
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04281969
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
#8146611 - 03/14/08 04:27 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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I guess I don't understand what you're asking. That trip experience describes the difference, trip wise, between doing the pure crystal MINUS the alkaloids and doing the crystal WITH the alkaloids (evaporation method water, acid, mesc. W/total alkaloids).
In other words, it describes what the "pure crystal" mescaline citrate is like compared to evaporating everything.
Here it is again: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8008204/an/0/page/3
What was it you were looking for now?
Edited by 04281969 (03/14/08 04:44 PM)
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tobydoo
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8146635 - 03/14/08 04:38 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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If you take the crystal that have precipitated in the water (siphon off the water) and do them (pure M. citrate)only. What would be the difference, trip wise, between that (pure M. citrate) and the water/ acid - evaporated in a pyrex dish process.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8146657 - 03/14/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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04281969 said: I don't know if you would prefer it. I am just presenting it as an option to get pure mescaline citrate. It's a different experience than the total alkaloid mix.
Also, your garage might be a better choice if it gets cold overnight.
I'm sorry if I'm being really unclear. I guess I'm asking HOW these 2 experiences are different. Body, head ??? Etc.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
#8146668 - 03/14/08 04:47 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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From the link I gave you twice:
"The onset came much faster. On an empty stomach, I was feeling very strong effects after 45 minutes, and was seriously tripping after 90 minutes. There were initial waves of intensity interrupted with occasional waves of physical euphoria unlike what I experienced on the cactus blend of alkaloids. The euphoric waves felt absolutely incredible! The whole experience was a lot cleaner. After 2 hours, I didn't see things the same way anymore, but the dream state was much more lucid. It was as if this world was changed, rather than entering into a different one. More transparent, and in that respect closer to LSD. Everything was moving as if I was looking though heat waves. After 5 hours, I was wanting to kick it up even higher because it was so smooth. No anxiety at all anymore at that point. (Re-dosing after 3 hours might be an option, or maybe a mushroom because it works faster.) It went away a lot cleaner, too. After 12 hours, I didn't feel as thick and drugged as I usually do from cactus. Fantastic. Highly recommended."
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8147080 - 03/14/08 06:54 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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OK, Thanks again.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
#8147187 - 03/14/08 07:18 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Wow that sounds similar to the difference between pure molly crystal and pressed pills.
In other words, pure crystal FTW!
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: wilycoder]
#8147226 - 03/14/08 07:30 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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and 04281969 is badass for his patience. Do your research and understand.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8149116 - 03/15/08 11:42 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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04281969 said: That pic will have to wait until I have some more. 100 grams is a healthy 2/3 cup.
Nice thread.
Is that powdered cacti that you are referring to when saying 100 grams is 2/3 of a cup?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: wilycoder]
#8149152 - 03/15/08 11:50 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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wilycoder said: Wow that sounds similar to the difference between pure molly crystal and pressed pills.
In other words, pure crystal FTW!
hardly. mother nature didn't adulterate cacti to make a profit. those other alkaloids color and add to the experience, they arent meant to fabricate the feeling of mescaline(like adulterated E pills) but enhance it.
despite this and other teks, which are wonderful , i still see no need to go past a simple alcohol extract. it's cheaper, less time consuming, and it gets the job done. to each his own, i suppose.
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Polyrhythmanaut said:
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04281969 said: That pic will have to wait until I have some more. 100 grams is a healthy 2/3 cup.
Nice thread.
Is that powdered cacti that you are referring to when saying 100 grams is 2/3 of a cup?
Yes, add 2/3 cup (100 grams) powdered cactus to the jug.
Edited by 04281969 (06/12/09 08:17 PM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
#8149280 - 03/15/08 12:28 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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ShroomDoom said:
hardly. mother nature didn't adulterate cacti to make a profit. those other alkaloids color and add to the experience, they arent meant to fabricate the feeling of mescaline(like adulterated E pills) but enhance it.
despite this and other teks, which are wonderful , i still see no need to go past a simple alcohol extract. it's cheaper, less time consuming, and it gets the job done. to each his own, i suppose.
Have you tried it?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
#8149683 - 03/15/08 02:14 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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ShroomDoom said: hardly. mother nature didn't adulterate cacti to make a profit. those other alkaloids color and add to the experience, they arent meant to fabricate the feeling of mescaline(like adulterated E pills) but enhance it.
despite this and other teks, which are wonderful , i still see no need to go past a simple alcohol extract. it's cheaper, less time consuming, and it gets the job done. to each his own, i suppose.
Give me a break. You're arguing that mother nature tossed in all the alkaloids to get us humans high. How kind of her. Thats some funny shiz man.
Maybe, just maybe, mother nature placed the alkaloids into the cactus to make it bitter so nothing would try to eat it. Shocking. Same thing with caffeine in the coffee bean. Its called survival.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: wilycoder]
#8150141 - 03/15/08 04:31 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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wilycoder said:
Give me a break. You're arguing that mother nature tossed in all the alkaloids to get us humans high. How kind of her. Thats some funny shiz man.
i dunno. i looked at my post and i never saw an argument that cacti make alkaloids to get us high. maybe you need to reread what i wrote. slow down.
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hardly. mother nature didn't adulterate cacti to make a profit. those other alkaloids color and add to the experience, they arent meant to fabricate the feeling of mescaline(like adulterated E pills) but enhance it.
now, if you actually take the time to read the post you can see i was just illustrating how stupid of an analogy you made.
whole cacti:mescaline citrate::pressed pills:MDMA powder ^^^^ i doubt i am the only one who sees the serious flaw in this comparison. chemists and pressers put other alkaloids into pills to make a profit. they even put chemicals like speed and ephedrine in pills to mimic the effects of MDMA. where is the profit in adding 5-meo-mescaline and tyramine to cacti? there isn't, all they do is add to the experience in an extremely subtle way, perhaps even enhancing it. im not claiming to know the meaning why cacti are here on earth, or why the cacti contain alkaloids, but its unfair to compare mother nature to some scummy street pill presser. she deserves more respect than that, dont you think?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#8150173 - 03/15/08 04:41 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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04281969 said:
Have you tried it?
no. i probably will do an HCL extraction in the near future when i have some extra cacti laying around, but for now i see no need. i get off quite nicely with an alcohol extract, and its just as convenient as swallowing a powder (i just have to eat a few more grams of powder ). its all mescaline in my belly, either way. i know people who have done the full extraction, and crude alcohol extracts, as well as teas. to them the full extraction is just overkill.
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