Home | Community | Message Board


This site includes paid links. Please support our sponsors.


Welcome to the Shroomery Message Board! You are experiencing a small sample of what the site has to offer. Please login or register to post messages and view our exclusive members-only content. You'll gain access to additional forums, file attachments, board customizations, encrypted private messages, and much more!

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

Jump to first unread post Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | Next > | Last >
Some of these posts are very old and might contain outdated information. You may wish to search for newer posts instead.
Offlinetobydoo
Torch man

Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 36
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8143441 - 03/13/08 08:47 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

One more question, and really, thanks for this TEK. combined with some other research, yours really pulled the whole concept together nicely. Anyway, is the onset of the crystal product the same as traditional tea or sustantially quicker? Thanks again.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisible04281969
Hobbyist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 1,406
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
    #8145152 - 03/14/08 08:21 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Quicker, cleaner, and more constant.
It still comes on in waves, but more like a rising tide.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetobydoo
Torch man

Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 36
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8145519 - 03/14/08 10:51 AM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Truly one last question!! In your experience, what are the trip differences between pure mescaline citrate extraction and total Mescaline + alkaloid extraction (evaporation). I would guess that the first would be more sedate and floaty....I could be wrong! Thanks again. Oh, and what would the ramifications be if you extracted the mescaline (precipitation)- and then simply evaporated out the other alkaloids? Ingesting alkaloid only.. (alkaloids being from T.Peruvianus). Thanks!!

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisible04281969
Hobbyist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 1,406
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
    #8145931 - 03/14/08 12:47 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Refined Mescaline vs. Cactus Alkaloid Mix

Of course, you won't be able to remove all of the remaining mescaline from the other alkaloids.  What you evaporate is always going to be a fairly high percentage of mescaline.  It just won't be absent other alkaloids like the pure crystal is.

I haven't tried the extraneous alkaloids yet, but I too assume it will be more "sedate and floaty".

Edited by 04281969 (06/12/09 08:13 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetobydoo
Torch man

Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 36
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8146083 - 03/14/08 01:34 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

What I meant was what is the difference, trip wise, between doing the pure crystal MINUS the alkaloids and doing the crystal WITH the alkaloids (evaporation method water, acid, mesc. W/total alkaloids). Thanks for the patience

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetobydoo
Torch man

Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 36
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
    #8146091 - 03/14/08 01:37 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

In other words, what is the "pure crystal" mescaline citrate like compared to evaporating everything.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisible04281969
Hobbyist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 1,406
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
    #8146611 - 03/14/08 04:27 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

I guess I don't understand what you're asking.

That trip experience describes the difference, trip wise, between doing the pure crystal MINUS the alkaloids and doing the crystal WITH the alkaloids (evaporation method water, acid, mesc. W/total alkaloids).

In other words, it describes what the "pure crystal" mescaline citrate is like compared to evaporating everything.

Here it is again: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/8008204/an/0/page/3

What was it you were looking for now?

Edited by 04281969 (03/14/08 04:44 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetobydoo
Torch man

Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 36
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8146635 - 03/14/08 04:38 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

If you take the crystal that have precipitated in the water (siphon off the water) and do them (pure M. citrate)only. What would be the difference, trip wise, between that (pure M. citrate) and the water/ acid - evaporated in a pyrex dish process.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetobydoo
Torch man

Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 36
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8146657 - 03/14/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Quote:

04281969 said:
I don't know if you would prefer it. I am just presenting it as an option to get pure mescaline citrate. It's a different experience than the total alkaloid mix.

Also, your garage might be a better choice if it gets cold overnight.




I'm sorry if I'm being really unclear. I guess I'm asking HOW these 2 experiences are different. Body, head ??? Etc.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisible04281969
Hobbyist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 1,406
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
    #8146668 - 03/14/08 04:47 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

From the link I gave you twice:

"The onset came much faster. On an empty stomach, I was feeling very strong effects after 45 minutes, and was seriously tripping after 90 minutes. There were initial waves of intensity interrupted with occasional waves of physical euphoria unlike what I experienced on the cactus blend of alkaloids. The euphoric waves felt absolutely incredible! The whole experience was a lot cleaner. After 2 hours, I didn't see things the same way anymore, but the dream state was much more lucid. It was as if this world was changed, rather than entering into a different one. More transparent, and in that respect closer to LSD. Everything was moving as if I was looking though heat waves. After 5 hours, I was wanting to kick it up even higher because it was so smooth. No anxiety at all anymore at that point. (Re-dosing after 3 hours might be an option, or maybe a mushroom because it works faster.) It went away a lot cleaner, too. After 12 hours, I didn't feel as thick and drugged as I usually do from cactus. Fantastic. Highly recommended."

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetobydoo
Torch man

Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 36
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8147080 - 03/14/08 06:54 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

OK, Thanks again.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinewilycoder
Stranger

Registered: 01/07/07
Posts: 35
Last seen: 14 years, 1 month
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
    #8147187 - 03/14/08 07:18 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Wow that sounds similar to the difference between pure molly crystal and pressed pills.

In other words, pure crystal FTW!

:smile:

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinetobydoo
Torch man

Registered: 01/24/08
Posts: 36
Last seen: 14 years, 3 months
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: wilycoder]
    #8147226 - 03/14/08 07:30 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

and 04281969 is badass for his patience. Do your research and understand.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflinePolyrhythmanaut
BaphometicServitude
Male

Registered: 01/27/07
Posts: 339
Last seen: 14 years, 11 months
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8149116 - 03/15/08 11:42 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

04281969 said:
That pic will have to wait until I have some more.
100 grams is a healthy 2/3 cup.




Nice thread.

Is that powdered cacti that you are referring to when saying 100 grams is 2/3 of a cup?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineShroomDoom
Friend of the Medicine
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/07/04
Posts: 4,435
Loc: A Psychedelic State Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 9 months
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: wilycoder]
    #8149152 - 03/15/08 11:50 AM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

wilycoder said:
Wow that sounds similar to the difference between pure molly crystal and pressed pills.

In other words, pure crystal FTW!

:smile:





hardly. mother nature didn't adulterate cacti to make a profit. those other alkaloids color and add to the experience, they arent meant to fabricate the feeling of mescaline(like adulterated E pills) but enhance it.


despite this and other teks, which are wonderful , i still see no need to go past a simple alcohol extract. it's cheaper, less time consuming, and it gets the job done. to each his own, i suppose.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisible04281969
Hobbyist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 1,406
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Polyrhythmanaut]
    #8149267 - 03/15/08 12:25 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

Polyrhythmanaut said:
Quote:

04281969 said:
That pic will have to wait until I have some more.
100 grams is a healthy 2/3 cup. 




Nice thread.

Is that powdered cacti that you are referring to when saying 100 grams is 2/3 of a cup?




Yes, add 2/3 cup (100 grams) powdered cactus to the jug.

Edited by 04281969 (06/12/09 08:17 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Invisible04281969
Hobbyist
Male User Gallery


Registered: 08/09/06
Posts: 1,406
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8149280 - 03/15/08 12:28 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

ShroomDoom said:


hardly. mother nature didn't adulterate cacti to make a profit. those other alkaloids color and add to the experience, they arent meant to fabricate the feeling of mescaline(like adulterated E pills) but enhance it.


despite this and other teks, which are wonderful , i still see no need to go past a simple alcohol extract. it's cheaper, less time consuming, and it gets the job done. to each his own, i suppose.




Have you tried it?

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Offlinewilycoder
Stranger

Registered: 01/07/07
Posts: 35
Last seen: 14 years, 1 month
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #8149683 - 03/15/08 02:14 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

ShroomDoom said:
hardly. mother nature didn't adulterate cacti to make a profit. those other alkaloids color and add to the experience, they arent meant to fabricate the feeling of mescaline(like adulterated E pills) but enhance it.


despite this and other teks, which are wonderful , i still see no need to go past a simple alcohol extract. it's cheaper, less time consuming, and it gets the job done. to each his own, i suppose.




Give me a break. You're arguing that mother nature tossed in all the alkaloids to get us humans high. How kind of her. Thats some funny shiz man.

Maybe, just maybe, mother nature placed the alkaloids into the cactus to make it bitter so nothing would try to eat it. Shocking. Same thing with caffeine in the coffee bean. Its called survival.

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineShroomDoom
Friend of the Medicine
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/07/04
Posts: 4,435
Loc: A Psychedelic State Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 9 months
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: wilycoder]
    #8150141 - 03/15/08 04:31 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

wilycoder said:

Give me a break. You're arguing that mother nature tossed in all the alkaloids to get us humans high. How kind of her. Thats some funny shiz man.




i dunno. i looked at my post and i never saw an argument that cacti make alkaloids to get us high. maybe you need to reread what i wrote. slow down.

Quote:

hardly. mother nature didn't adulterate cacti to make a profit. those other alkaloids color and add to the experience, they arent meant to fabricate the feeling of mescaline(like adulterated E pills) but enhance it.




now, if you actually take the time to read the post you can see i was just illustrating how stupid of an analogy you made.

whole cacti:mescaline citrate::pressed pills:MDMA powder
^^^^ i doubt i am the only one who sees the serious flaw in this comparison.

chemists and pressers put other alkaloids into pills to make a profit. they even put chemicals like speed and ephedrine in pills to mimic the effects of MDMA. where is the profit in adding 5-meo-mescaline and tyramine to cacti? there isn't, all they do is add to the experience in an extremely subtle way, perhaps even enhancing it.
im not claiming to know the meaning why cacti are here on earth, or why the cacti contain alkaloids, but its unfair to compare mother nature to some scummy street pill presser. she deserves more respect than that, dont you think?

Edited by ShroomDoom (03/15/08 04:36 PM)

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
OfflineShroomDoom
Friend of the Medicine
 User Gallery


Registered: 06/07/04
Posts: 4,435
Loc: A Psychedelic State Flag
Last seen: 1 year, 9 months
Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8150173 - 03/15/08 04:41 PM (16 years, 7 days ago)

Quote:

04281969 said:

Have you tried it?





no. i probably will do an HCL extraction in the near future when i have some extra cacti laying around, but for now i see no need. i get off quite nicely with an alcohol extract, and its just as convenient as swallowing a powder (i just have to eat a few more grams of powder :tongue2:). its all mescaline in my belly, either way. i know people who have done the full extraction, and crude alcohol extracts, as well as teas. to them the full extraction is just overkill.


--------------------

Extras: Filter Print Post Top
Jump to top Pages: < Back | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | Next > | Last >

Shop: Left Coast Kratom Buy Kratom Extract   North Spore North Spore Mushroom Grow Kits & Cultivation Supplies   Kraken Kratom Red Vein Kratom   PhytoExtractum Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf Powder   Unfolding Nature Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order


Similar ThreadsPosterViewsRepliesLast post
* Whats easier...a mescaline extraction or a DMT extraction?
( 1 2 all )
PsillyNilly 23,593 23 03/23/11 04:39 PM
by fung
* ANy pictorial step teks for extraction of mescaline from dried San pedro? Ingredients? PsillyNilly 2,969 3 04/07/05 12:52 AM
by Anonymous
* Mescaline
( 1 2 all )
Osker246 4,614 27 09/11/03 02:16 AM
by geokills
* mescaline for beginners
( 1 2 all )
KingOftheThing 13,512 33 07/28/21 07:55 PM
by Sub-Easy
* Quick Question About *MESCALINE* eatMYbooms 2,732 10 04/11/05 05:42 PM
by Toddo
* Mescaline
( 1 2 all )
glassdanse 7,721 26 09/10/13 04:11 AM
by Ilift
* Mescaline?
( 1 2 all )
whereislucy 7,992 25 03/11/04 03:10 PM
by Xlea321
* mescaline citrate extraction questions jfoster 3,570 8 03/05/08 07:40 PM
by Entropymancer

Extra information
You cannot start new topics / You cannot reply to topics
HTML is disabled / BBCode is enabled
Moderator: psilocybinjunkie, Rose, mushboy, LogicaL Chaos, Northerner, bodhisatta
194,021 topic views. 2 members, 61 guests and 13 web crawlers are browsing this forum.
[ Show Images Only | Sort by Score | Print Topic ]
Search this thread:

Copyright 1997-2024 Mind Media. Some rights reserved.

Generated in 0.025 seconds spending 0.005 seconds on 13 queries.