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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8107943 - 03/05/08 08:00 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

If you are starting from a fresh portion of Pedro... Would you dry and powder more than just the skin? Isn't this kind of wasting part of the cactus if you use only the skin?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8108866 - 03/05/08 10:37 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

if i were to use a pound and just multiply everything accordingly would it work alright? it seems like i would have a lot of citric acid in my product

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: jfoster]
    #8109757 - 03/06/08 04:38 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Can you use powder from the whole cactus or should one only use powder from the skin?

the price difference is pretty big, and just wondering what the final mesc content would be using one verse the other.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Raven0us]
    #8110064 - 03/06/08 07:55 AM (16 years, 16 days ago)

Fresh cactus should not be a problem, it just changes the amount of water used, and the darkest green flesh is the most potent. 

And, in response to the question of potency of citrate relative to other mescaline salts, I guess I should repeat that information here too.

Since citric acid has up to 3 links possible with freebase mescaline molecules, it's not going to be the same formula as the 1:1 link of HCL to freebase mescaline.  (Thanks Jizmaster.) 

...EDIT...

Threshold - 124 mg
Light 124 - 248 mg
Common 248 - 372 mg
Strong 372 - 620 mg
Heavy 620 - 868 mg

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8121190 - 03/08/08 08:29 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Please describe safety of citric acid.

MSDS makes it sound nasty.

Can evaporation be done indoors? How long does evaporation take when using exact amounts specified in OP?

Various sources say that citric acid will not evaporate and thus end product will still contain whatever citric acid used for extraction....

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: wilycoder]
    #8122776 - 03/09/08 09:33 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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Please describe safety of citric acid.

MSDS makes it sound nasty.

Can evaporation be done indoors? How long does evaporation take when using exact amounts specified in OP?

Various sources say that citric acid will not evaporate and thus end product will still contain whatever citric acid used for extraction....

Thanks,
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Yes you can evaporate indoors, it stinks though. That's just one of the safety differences of citric acid as opposed to HCL or H2SO4. Read up on your options and the differences between them.

And as mentioned, you can collect the crystals that precipitate out and thanks to the natural process of crystalization, you should be able to achieve a product of rather pure mescaline citrate. The extraneous citric acid will be in the water with the remaining alkaloid mix.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8122831 - 03/09/08 09:53 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

So the 5 acid washes are collected and combined. Simply placing the combined acid solution into cold environment causes relatively pure mescaline citrate crystals to crash out of solution?

Thats awesome! Your thread is a dream come true for its simplicity :smile:

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: wilycoder]
    #8122968 - 03/09/08 10:45 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

i have this lye(can't find it online) that says 100% lye, inert indgredient:water. So it's a liquid. Do you think i should just use it as is or dilute?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: wilycoder]
    #8123051 - 03/09/08 11:22 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

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So the 5 acid washes are collected and combined. Simply placing the combined acid solution into cold environment causes relatively pure mescaline citrate crystals to crash out of solution?

Thats awesome! Your thread is a dream come true for its simplicity :smile:




Either combine all 5 aqueous extractions and evaporate, OR put the jar of collected water in the fridge overnight, collect crystals, save extra water (optionally), then clean the collection jar for the next day's pull.  (Actually, I use a bunch of little jars.)

The first method gives you everything- all the alkaloids and acid, the second method separates the crystalized salt of the highest solution which is mescaline citrate.  Both are great, and have their own positives.

(BTW, even if you don't plan on evaporating, you should still hold on to the water for a while because crystals will still slowly keep forming.)

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: jfoster]
    #8123145 - 03/09/08 11:57 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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i have this lye(can't find it online) that says 100% lye, inert indgredient:water. So it's a liquid. Do you think i should just use it as is or dilute?




I am sorry but I am not familiar with that product or its concentration. You might need to do a little experimentation.

The exact amount of lye you use isn't critical. You need enough so that your cactus and xylol separate into layers readily. Eventually (after two days or so), the cactus layer will separate into a lighter green top, and a thicker green sludge on the bottom. How fast the cactus separates into those layers can give you a gauge of where you're at in terms of breaking it down.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8123160 - 03/09/08 12:03 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

if i just used it straight without dilution do you think their would be a problem?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: jfoster]
    #8123183 - 03/09/08 12:19 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Your guess is better than mine since you have it in front of you.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8123203 - 03/09/08 12:29 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

i just don't have ph strips so im not really sure how to do it. I mean can mescaline stand up to a 5 or 6 M solution of NaOH? do you think using all this liquid will give me trace minerals of some sort from the water that is used in the liquid? It just doesn't have a concentration on it, just says 100% lye, im sure it's pretty strong.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: jfoster]
    #8123324 - 03/09/08 01:22 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

I'm sorry but I don't have the stats on the number of moles of solute NAOH per liter of solution it takes to destroy mescaline freebase.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8141143 - 03/13/08 11:43 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

one question that no one has asked.....what's the shelf life of the extracted crystals??

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
    #8141456 - 03/13/08 01:17 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

"The authors of this article present strong evidence that mescaline can survive in the form of natural, dried peyote buttons for more than 5700 years."

http://www.erowid.org/plants/peyote/peyote_article2.shtml

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8141955 - 03/13/08 03:56 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Yeah, I've seen that article. However, what happens once it's processed. And I wonder whether or not another advantge of following your process w/ citric acid might be that the CA would work as a preservative as well?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
    #8142039 - 03/13/08 04:13 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Don't worry about it.

Edited by 04281969 (03/22/08 07:52 PM)

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #8142082 - 03/13/08 04:23 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Yeah, I realized it was a stupid question almost as soon as I posted it because in theory almost all the CA should be gone in the end. another thing; are you saying that letting it precipitate in the fridge over night and drawing off the excess CA /water is desirable to the evaporation method?

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: tobydoo]
    #8142742 - 03/13/08 06:40 PM (16 years, 9 days ago)

I don't know if you would prefer it. I am just presenting it as an option to get pure mescaline citrate. It's a different experience than the total alkaloid mix.

Also, your garage might be a better choice if it gets cold overnight.

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