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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #7994740 - 02/08/08 02:07 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

thanks! ive read a bunch of very complex guides, this helped it all make sense.

btw how are the fumes involved in doing this?
is it going to smell up my house nicely?
im wondering if it would be best to setup a little workstation in the garage.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Enothe]
    #7995095 - 02/08/08 07:39 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Any time you open a can of xylol, it's going to stink.

Do it all outside if possible.

And don't underestimate the lye fumes, either. It's best to mix that stuff into quart jars and wait until they cool. (Or wait 3X if you only have one quart jar to mix the lye and water in. You could do it in the jug, but it can actually damage the glass and make it brittle.)

Here's another picture...


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #7995899 - 02/08/08 11:33 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, nice pile! Looks a lot of crystals, that from 100g right?

Forms nice crystals too, better than the HCl salt.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: jizmaster]
    #7996030 - 02/08/08 12:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

A handsome pile of mescaline indeed :snowman:

Nice picture.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #7996125 - 02/08/08 12:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

interesting..


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #7996146 - 02/08/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

would this be a good dosage chart to follow with mescaline citrate? What are the effects of 2 00? Also can anyone recommend a good place to get the supplies for all this?

http://erowid.org/chemicals/mescaline/mescaline_dose.shtml


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: THEBats]
    #7996213 - 02/08/08 01:14 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)



Edited by Ombient (12/08/08 05:40 PM)


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Robo]
    #7996225 - 02/08/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Just play around with the citrate doses and see how it goes :sun:


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Robo]
    #7996238 - 02/08/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

this has me very interested and excited then.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: THEBats]
    #7996250 - 02/08/08 01:22 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

This method is no different from all the other ones other than that it uses citric acid instead of hydrochloric :shrug:


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Robo]
    #7996259 - 02/08/08 01:24 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Omni said:
This method is no different from all the other ones other than that it uses citric acid instead of hydrochloric :shrug:




so could I just replace the citric acid with hcl?  or does the amount change?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Robo]
    #7996267 - 02/08/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Omni said:
This method is no different from all the other ones other than that it uses citric acid instead of hydrochloric :shrug:




I give it a :thumbup: for being a relatively benign procedure for non-chemists, but hydrochloric or sulfuric acids yeild a more dosable product.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: THEBats]
    #7996269 - 02/08/08 01:26 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, you could switch out citric acid with HCl or sulfuric acid. The only thing that changes is the dosage numbers.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Robo]
    #7996276 - 02/08/08 01:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

so I still use 1/2 a teaspoon? well then I at least give him the credit of making the tek sound simple. all the ones I've looked at involving hcl made things seem a whole lot more complicated than they actually were. So hcl it is then for me.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: THEBats]
    #7996291 - 02/08/08 01:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Well here it is in a couple sentences:

Add powdered cactus skin to lye water, shake it up. Add xylene or similar solvent, shake it up real good. Let separate and sit, then pour off solvent layer. Add solvent to acidic water in a sep funnel, shake up, drain water, evaporate, done.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: THEBats]
    #7996301 - 02/08/08 01:36 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

THEBats said:
so I still use 1/2 a teaspoon?





I've used 5 ml HCl per liter or so of water :shrug:

As long as its a small amount like that, you don't need much.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Robo]
    #7996327 - 02/08/08 01:43 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I can still get hcl at the hardware department then right?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: THEBats]
    #7996346 - 02/08/08 01:50 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, ask for muriatic acid.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Robo]
    #7996371 - 02/08/08 01:53 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

cool thanks. I'll have to try this with the remaining 24 " of cactus I have.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: THEBats]
    #7997327 - 02/08/08 05:52 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

With this tek, I wanted to present a simple, straightforward recipe that one could follow as if he were making cookies. If you want to change it up, you're going to have to do some reading. Look through more teks to know how to calculate the amount of acid you need to add.

When the precipitated mescaline citrate crystals are collected and separated from the water (like I did this time in order to get good crystals for the pictures), I am sure the dose will be more standardized. The reason the citrate doses can vary is because if you are quick and sloppy with it, you can go heavy on the citric acid to make sure you get all the mescaline out of the cactus that there is to be had, and evaporate it all, not just the crystals that precipitate out. This will leave you with extraneous citric acid and all the extra alkaloid salts. It will not harm you, but some of that is just added filler that will alter dosage.

Because the theory of crystal formation involves the most concentrated compound crystalizing first, the resulting product from this is fairly pure mescaline citrate. To acieve the same purity of the mescaline salt from the typical technique involving total evaporation of all alkaloids, you would need to dissolve and recrystallize, regardless of the acid used. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recrystallization

BTW, putting the collection jar into the fridge for a couple of hours will really make the crystals start coming out like snowflakes. Here's a picture.


And yes, the picture in the previous post was the pile that came from 100g. There's more alkaloid-rich water that the crystals came out of that I haven't evaporated yet, but that won't look as good I'm sure.

Also worth mention is the fact that the collected crystals dry much more quickly than the whole acid water/mescaline & alkaloid mix. There's no waiting 2-3 days as with evaporating the entire solution. When the water is gone, it is completely dry. And, no thick syrup involved (as can be the case if the acid level is too high).




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