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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9533206 - 01/02/09 05:32 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

thanks 04281969-- yeah you did say that a couple times, I just wondered if that's the BEST, Easiest, fastest way or not.

I've taken to ignoring TreeMoss in this thread because he wastes bandspace trying to hijack someone else's thread, sorry if I came off bitchy to you 04281969,  I really do appreciate your help and am about to try this tek out for myself-- so thanks and wish me luck :thumbup:

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9533296 - 01/02/09 05:46 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

I wish you luck.
Be responsible with it. 
Doing it less often makes it more effective.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9533326 - 01/02/09 05:50 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

damn can't we all just get along...:rasta: really if you guys hate the comments by treemoss so much just ignore him, that is always an option....


anyways (just let me know if i missed the answer to the question already and which page its on in the thread) 04281969 did/could/would you make a detailed pictorial of the freeze precipitation?? and would it be alright to freeze each pull separately and still get uniform purity?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9533356 - 01/02/09 05:59 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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damn can't we all just get along...:rasta: really if you guys hate the comments by treemoss so much just ignore him, that is always an option....


anyways (just let me know if i missed the answer to the question already and which page its on in the thread) 04281969 did/could/would you make a detailed pictorial of the freeze precipitation?? and would it be alright to freeze each pull separately and still get uniform purity?




Sorry, didn't take any pictures of the ice or crystals falling out of the melting central "ice cube".  Each day when you run acidic water through the xylene and collect it in a little jar, you can place that little jar into the freezer for a couple of hours until it's frozen. 

The evaporation dish gets used continually, as each day's crystals are moved to the dish with hot distilled water.  If it's dry in 24 hours, then you can scrape it up if you want, or just let it ride.  Keep adding to it and scrape at the very end.  Whatever you want to do.  It will probably all get mixed together in the end, so it all comes out uniform anyway.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9533419 - 01/02/09 06:11 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

thanks for the quick reply... of course that just led me to another question.... (btw i don't plan a evaporating, at least for the majority of the product) if you freeze the salts out wouldn't it be better to just reuse the same small about of acidic water all 5 times? maybe after the 5 pulls from the solvent with the same acidic water i will evaporate just to see if any much mescaline gets left behind after freezing...

i'm waiting for materials in the mail... and in the mean time i just want to learn as much as possible about what i will be doing and what to expect.... thanks again


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9533441 - 01/02/09 06:16 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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Sorry, didn't take any pictures of the ice or crystals falling out of the melting central "ice cube".  Each day when you run acidic water through the xylene and collect it in a little jar, you can place that little jar into the freezer for a couple of hours until it's frozen. 




wow for some reason i must not have fully understood that before i post my last ?,,,, i was think you have to get the water nearly solid and not actually all one ice cube... so what you just freeze it solid then take it out to melt back down, and all the mescaline will remain solid??


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9533515 - 01/02/09 06:30 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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thanks for the quick reply... of course that just led me to another question.... (btw i don't plan a evaporating, at least for the majority of the product) if you freeze the salts out wouldn't it be better to just reuse the same small about of acidic water all 5 times? maybe after the 5 pulls from the solvent with the same acidic water i will evaporate just to see if any much mescaline gets left behind after freezing...

i'm waiting for materials in the mail... and in the mean time i just want to learn as much as possible about what i will be doing and what to expect.... thanks again




Here's the thing: you're going to link up 1.5ish grams of citric acid with 3+ish grams of mescaline alkaloids.  There's only so many acid molecules in the water.  There's only so much alkaloid in the cactus. 

Save the water each day after removing the crystals from it.  Collect all the waters together to do the final extraction because there should still be leftover alkaloids and plenty of citric acid to do another run. 

I already checked to see what was left after freezing out all I could get.  It dried to .65g of brown stickyness that felt really shitty.  All that was leftover was the bad shit you hope to get out through purification.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9534069 - 01/02/09 07:58 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

thanks alot man :thumbup: check your ratings


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9534197 - 01/02/09 08:14 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

Enlighten me all over please.  What is the purpose of freezing your water solid?  Just wondering.....but have you seen crystals precipitate before the water freezes solid?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9534398 - 01/02/09 08:35 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

i suppose it gets more of mescaline to solidify since it's much colder, i still don't get that fully. but i suppose i will when i do it and see exactly what happens, unless of course there's a pictorial of this step.......:shrug:


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9534466 - 01/02/09 08:47 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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i suppose it gets more of mescaline to solidify since it's much colder, i still don't get that fully. but i suppose i will when i do it and see exactly what happens, unless of course there's a pictorial of this step.......:shrug:




This is just my best guess, but based on the information that cold water does not dissolve mescaline; that the mescaline would fall out of solution/precipitate......has anyone seen this happen?  I have heard that the colder it is when the crystals form the larger they grow, although that was for sulfate so I have not a clue about citrate.  But I would like to try all of the salt forms but probably not the HCl.  Unless I could go for a treat and see if gassing works, well if I could pull it off but I am not sure about that one....might be risky unless I can find a way to do it under a hood and not worry so much.

And I am sorry to all for the ramble, things were unkind.  I think we were interpreting each others thought forms as our own and that is never kind to do....they were from another so that mind see's it as that.

That is why I hate the laws so much, I understand their thought forms; and I know how they see mine....but they sure don't want to see from my perspective.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9534643 - 01/02/09 09:15 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

i don't see why the crystals would form differently with citrate than with HCI, so you pretty much answer your own question.... it doesn't get much cold in ones freezer than solid ice, but i doubt that the solid ice will allow the crystals to grow, but surely plenty will form up untill it becomes solid, and i bet more will grow on the formed crystal as it thaws... only thing i'm wondering is if you leave it sit for long after it thaws and becomes room temperature (say you let it sit out overnight or while at work) will it re-dissolve? or should you instead put it in the fridge to thaw?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9534786 - 01/02/09 09:40 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

Well, ya it would go back into solution.  But I was reffering to sulfate, not HCL.........but I've never watched crystals form in really cold water, might even have to move it to the fridge once in awhile so the water doesn't completely freeze over.

I am really pissed though, I had an awsome collection of cactus and lost them a couple years back.....some other things that were really sweet too.

Now I have to reinvest in EVERYTHING, that really set me back many years but now I'm just going to grow lophora and order my cactus specifically for extractions........plus get better headie strains of ganja...now that I know the market more and I am not in a buying frenzy.

The trichs were sweet though, nice hybrids and some damn fine keepers.  I had around 25 of them and each grew a good 8-10 inches a year, I was hoping to see if the Torch would cross with some of the Jules Giant hybrids.......there were some very choice cactus. 

They weren't cheap ether, everyone s bunker shaman (coded vendors name) isn't cheap but they had some fine hybrids and a few other products that you can't find anywhere else.....unless you make them yourself.......nice guys too....well, I think I have only talked to one...but really cool.  I'd like to visit their greenhouse before I pass on or astrally when I do.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9534848 - 01/02/09 09:50 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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i don't see why the crystals would form differently with citrate than with HCI, so you pretty much answer your own question.... it doesn't get much cold in ones freezer than solid ice, but i doubt that the solid ice will allow the crystals to grow, but surely plenty will form up untill it becomes solid, and i bet more will grow on the formed crystal as it thaws... only thing i'm wondering is if you leave it sit for long after it thaws and becomes room temperature (say you let it sit out overnight or while at work) will it re-dissolve? or should you instead put it in the fridge to thaw?





Citrate forms differently then Chlorate because the acid that binds to the mescaline forms a different crystalline structure. That same is true with sulfate, thus people use Sulfuric acid to grow large pure crystals. As for the water freezing, as with any salt, the mescaline salt will affect the freezing temperature of the solution. Whether it is a drastic enough change to prevent freezing at 0 degrees I do not know. The most efficient way to freeze precipitate would be to discover the freezing point of your water solution and reduce its temperature to 1 degree warmer. This would theoretically allow the maximum amount of solid to precipitate without solidifying the water.

I think that's sound theory, anyone who knows more can support it or disprove it at their leisure.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9534981 - 01/02/09 10:12 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

Sounds damn good to me


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9535017 - 01/02/09 10:16 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

Well now I know that I'm wrong :crankey:

But seriously, sorry bout the grief earlier but man... you gotta learn to admit when you're wrong.

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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9535155 - 01/02/09 10:39 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

I think it was more of a miscommunication, I do except when I am wrong and I have learned a lot by reading these forums.  Actually, tiz where I have been able to see pictures to written techniques.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9535161 - 01/02/09 10:39 PM (15 years, 29 days ago)

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I think it was more of a miscommunication, I do except when I am wrong and I have learned a lot by reading these forums.  Actually, tiz where I have been able to see pictures to written techniques.




Righto, well, peace to you. May your precipitation vials be full of mescaline


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9536636 - 01/03/09 08:02 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

I've found that crystals will precipitate out of cold water.  But, I've found that MORE crystals will precipitate out of frozen water. 

Also, I don't have an adjustable heavy-duty refrigeration unit that I can set to 1 degree above freezing, and I've found this method works. 

At the beginning of this TEK, I was putting the mescaline water into the freezing garage overnight.  There would be a thin layer of ice, but it wouldn't be solid.  It gave nice crystals, but I find that I get more from a total freeze.

You can let the jar sit on the table as it thaws.  As long as you separate the crystals from the water while it is still cold, you're okay.

The resulting crystals will be more of a white crystalline slurry, but that is okay.  You're going to dissolve the crystals in hot distilled water to transfer them to the collection/evaporation dish anyway. 

If you want nice crystals in your dish, let it dry very slowly in a fairly cool environment.  And don't touch it.  That will give the crystals time to set up.  But still, the crystals are then going to be crushed and chopped up anyway.

I'm not jerking your chain on any of the details here.  There are reasons for everything.  If you have a bright idea for a variation, try it out.  If it works for you, tell us about it.  But until you try it, things would be a lot more straightforward and streamlined if you would please save the theoretical musings.

But, I don't really want to knock the "1 deg from freeze" precipitation.  It's just not necessary to go through the trouble of making the attempt when freezing solid works so well. 

Just try it.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9536676 - 01/03/09 08:13 AM (15 years, 28 days ago)

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i suppose it gets more of mescaline to solidify since it's much colder, i still don't get that fully. but i suppose i will when i do it and see exactly what happens, unless of course there's a pictorial of this step.......:shrug:




I don't see why you need a pictorial.  What do you want to see? 

The first picture would be of one of the little jars in the first picture of the thread one-quarter filled with water. 

The second picture would be of that jar with the water in it frozen.

The third picture would be of a melting ice "puck" in the middle of the water, dropping out crystals as it thaws.  There would also be a layer of white crystals under the floating, melting ice.

Fourth picture would show a dropper removing the melted water away from the crystalline sludge. 

Fifth picture would show the addition of hot distilled water to aid in collection.  Might be a two-parter showing the dissolved mescaline going into the collection dish.

What more do you need to know?


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