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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
#9528853 - 01/01/09 07:07 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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SurReality said: wtf im not being a dick by asking for a pictorial. i've just been skipping over all your arguments but now i see why people are telling you to shut the fuck up.
also you don't freeze precip DMT and evaporate, you filter it and let any remaining naphtha evaporate.
but as long as i'm going to be called a dick i guess i should deserve it... you cocksucker
btw who snorts mescaline?
Well soooorrrry, I really thought you were being a smart ass since there are pics of teks all over the web and all over this website.
And I was using the evaporation of napatha as an analogy vs freeze precipitating and then filtering.........I was saying why do we do a freeze precipitate if evaporating is such a good idea.....which is what these morons seem to think their idea is so freaking great and worth throwing shit around all day.
And please accept my apology, I thought you were joining in on the "let's evaporate some citric acid and call it a good job making mescaline."
And well, people do snort mescaline; as a salt it is fairly easy to do...a way to bump up a little bit and not have to take a whole 00 cap or a small cap or even dissolve some in water (plus no taste if you don't do a gagger). Kicks in quicker too, hell you could probably but some of the mescaline base oil on some weed and smoke that. I've smoked dried cactus with some minor effects...on top of some pot.
Once again sorry, I did think about your post for a minute or a half and I thought why not.....your name looked familiar like you raged on me before but that may have just been a guess.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
#9529090 - 01/01/09 07:54 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Like the OP said, and I know BECAUSE I DID IT.... If you freeze precip the collected water.. you can pull the remaining water (THAT CONTAINS THE EXCESS CITRIC ACID) away from the crystals that are of HIGH purity. So HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT LEAVE YOU WITH AN ABUNDANCE OF EXTRA CITRIC ACID? Hmmm? You are one giant DOUCHE.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9529183 - 01/01/09 08:12 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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come on name calling is pretty widely agreed that it doesn't exist in an actual intellectual argument.
again i'm not claiming to have alot of kitchen chemistry knowledge... but i would imagine that if you actually waited for water to evaporate (im assuming it would be in the time frame of a week) that had citric acid in it, that the citric acid wouldn't evaporate
so given if my assumption is correct, when i get all the necessary materials and follow the OP up untill evaporation, will it be alright if not better(or purer/more time efficient) to set my freezer on a low setting so it doesn't freeze water? and would i be able to collect the mescaline the same as i would collect dmt from naphtha?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9529454 - 01/01/09 09:04 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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UberDeepName said: Like the OP said, and I know BECAUSE I DID IT.... If you freeze precip the collected water.. you can pull the remaining water (THAT CONTAINS THE EXCESS CITRIC ACID) away from the crystals that are of HIGH purity. So HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT LEAVE YOU WITH AN ABUNDANCE OF EXTRA CITRIC ACID? Hmmm? You are one giant DOUCHE.
I totally agree as stated in a previous post, that isn't an evaporation technique at all........I was simply arguing that evaporation is the not the best way to gather crystals........as you can see when someone has a casserole dish with a razor blade or crystals forming on a glass pan that they evaporated........I am simply saying this isn't the best way.
So I agreed with you a long time ago Uber.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9529479 - 01/01/09 09:11 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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UberDeepName said: Like the OP said, and I know BECAUSE I DID IT.... If you freeze precip the collected water.. you can pull the remaining water (THAT CONTAINS THE EXCESS CITRIC ACID) away from the crystals that are of HIGH purity. So HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT LEAVE YOU WITH AN ABUNDANCE OF EXTRA CITRIC ACID? Hmmm? You are one giant DOUCHE.
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TreeMoss said: Don't let the water freeze, it's called freeze precipitation just because you use the freezer.
The mescaline will precipitate in cold water, darn near ice cold water but it will drop out before the water starts to ice......just check on it periodically.
Mescaline is nearly insoluble in cold water, it must be pretty warm to dissolve.....unless it's very acidic water...then room temp water will dissolve it.
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TreeMoss said: Ha, you are quite lame.......seriously, I do believe is is talking about how to get the mescaline out of the water and not away from the xylene.
You can evaporate or you can put it in the freezer and chill it down so crystals form then filter......
Your you can be an asshole like 04281969 and put it up the bung hole as an enema.......I hear that works wonders for DMT!
It always depends on your solvent, chloroform is nice if you can get it and you don't have to precipitate it out of water then.....ya can but it will form crystals out of your solvent as well.
Just put it in the freezer or evaporate.....if you don't water down your solvent it doesn't matter anyway......it can precipitate out of your solvent solution too.
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Entropymancer said: You said earlier that all of this was purely theoretical, you hadn't actually tried it. Now you're saying that you're 100% sure that it works.
Which is it?
What part of the chemistry won't work? And when I talk about another drug extraction/precipitation tek....or another tek for mescaline salting....the principles apply. If you could freeze precipitate the mescaline citrate, then that would be better than just evaporating. Because when the water evaporates your leaving everything that was in solution behind.....impurities such as the unreacted citric acid.....which isn't good for your stomach.
Dissolve it in water and drink it, it should be bitter not acidic. Your crystals would look less like citric acid, trust me I am sure it would work.....I can't think of any reason why it wouldn't.
And it doesn't matter if it's theory, try it out sometime.....it will work....just use concentrated citric acid solution instead of a half of a cup......that is a lot of unreacted citric acid left there that your confusing with being alkaloids........not that it makes it not work....it's just not as good as it could be and that is what we strive for if it's not to difficult.
as you may have read, I brought this up a ways ago.....a long while back in the thread.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
#9529486 - 01/01/09 09:15 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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I don't really care anymore. I have my mescaline. I love you treemoss. Good luck with all your future endeavors.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
#9529487 - 01/01/09 09:15 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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I agree that freeze precipitating is a better method to evaporating, as this was the question that started my "intrusion".....freeze precipitating is perhaps even better than salting while in solution in the solvent to preciptate your salts......that way you have less solvent in your final product.
But freeze precipitating might take a few tries to make sure you got all the goodies out.......precipitating out of the solvent would as well, but I'd feel more confidant I got all the salts out of the solvent.......yet have a cleaner crystal and larger ones with the freeze precipitating.......so it is always up to what technique has certain benefits that you desire and certain costs that you aren't willing to give.
Some might even call that freedom.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
#9529498 - 01/01/09 09:19 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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so basically what you a saying treemoss is that the tek is fine as is, except don't evaporate the mescaline from the citric water freeze precipitate it....
and there's like 10 pages of arguing on that??
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
#9529716 - 01/01/09 10:11 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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Entropymancer said: You're completely neglecting the fact that you have absolutely no fucking idea what the partition coefficient will be for the mescaline citrate between xylene and concentrated aqueous citric acid.
It's entirely possible that the mescaline citrate will all dissolve in the water, no matter how concentrated your citric acid solution is.
Please stop asserting your theories as facts. It's just plain stupid.
Except that your just not good at theory.
 
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And as for this "It's entirely possible that the mescaline citrate will all dissolve in the water, no matter how concentrated your citric acid solution is."
It doesn't matter, your not going to have very much water to dissolve your mescaline citrate.......if it's CONCENTRATED ACID....which the citric acid can be made into a VERY CONCENTRATED solution....very concentrated.
You don't know that unless you've tried. It may only take that very small amount of citric acid-saturated water to dissolve all your mescaline citrate. It's possible mescaline citrate is very very soluble in concentrated aqueous citric acid. How do you know it's not without trying? Did god whisper the relavent partition coefficient in your ear?
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All your arguing is that you prefer to put an abundance of citric acid into your body than lose such a tiny fraction of alkaloids that it really won't amount to spit.
No, I'm arguing that ideas which have been tested and are known to work will work, while ideas that have not been tested are theoretical. While it might work, you simply don't know until you try.
Furthermore, a process is presented in this thread to remove the excess citric acid from the mescaline citrate, which makes all your bitching about excess acid completely pointless and irrelevent.
Basically, what you're saying is this: "I know that this will work, because that's my hypothesis."
If you can't see the fallacy there, I recommend you stay far away from chemistry.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
#9529732 - 01/01/09 10:16 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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SurReality said: so basically what you a saying treemoss is that the tek is fine as is, except don't evaporate the mescaline from the citric water freeze precipitate it....
and there's like 10 pages of arguing on that??
No, he's saying that if you add a little bit of ultra-concentrated citric acid solution, then the mescaline citrate will precipitate directly from the xylene.
Although he's never tried it, he's asserting that hypothesis as though it's undeniable fact.
The principles behind the idea are legitimate, but it's also entirely possible that it won't work like that. I wouldn't be surprised if it works, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't.
Personally, I think it's irresponsible to recommend untested procedures when there's a tried-and-true method already presented. If he were to try this and find that it works, then it's a fine contribution to the thread. But recommending it and guarenteeing that it works without testing is absolutely positively 100% fucking retarded.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
#9529812 - 01/01/09 10:36 PM (15 years, 30 days ago) |
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so if you freeze precipitate the mescaline from the citric water, is a wash needed (i'm not really wanting to do a wash)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
#9531147 - 01/02/09 08:09 AM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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TreeMoss said:
... as you may have read, I brought this up a ways ago.....a long while back in the thread.
I mentioned crystal precipitation on the first page. That was ten months ago. You might want to read the whole thread so that you know what is being discussed before you start commenting on it. Especially when you are being so rude.
When 2g of citric acid is used on 100g of cactus, the resulting 5g of freeze precipitated mescaline citrate tastes really bitter with no citric flavor at all.
The TEK begins with the "total evaporation" method in the first post, then explains the "freeze precipitation" method in the following posts.
Here's another picture:

Pretty darn pure.
In the "total evaporation" method, I wanted to present a simple, one page tek that anyone could perform to obtain a fairly pure, safe product.
If you care to read further into the thread, there are tips on how to improve the technique involving freeze precipitation of crystals.
Please go back and read. I really don't want to recap the whole thread for you.
Or is there a reason why you can not decipher the meaning of my words?
Edited by 04281969 (01/31/09 01:33 PM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
#9531162 - 01/02/09 08:13 AM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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SurReality said: so if you freeze precipitate the mescaline from the citric water, is a wash needed (i'm not really wanting to do a wash)
You don't HAVE to do a wash even if you decide to use the "total evaporation" method.
The freeze precipitation method makes it fairly pure. It feels much cleaner and nicer.
One more melt into hot distilled water and freeze precipitation will give even cleaner product, but it surely isn't necessary.
Double purification isn't necessary, but this is what I do because I like the purity. The come-up is a lot faster and a lot less wavy. It still has plenty of "spirit", but it's almost pharmaceutical in that it is really consistent in it's delivery.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
#9531175 - 01/02/09 08:17 AM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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-------------------- HCL x 1.63 = M.C. H2SO4 x 1.3 = M.C. H2SO4 x .80 = HCL M.C. x .61 = HCL M.C. x .77 = H2SO4 HCL x 1.25 = H2SO4
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9531205 - 01/02/09 08:31 AM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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UberDeepName said: Like the OP said, and I know BECAUSE I DID IT.... If you freeze precip the collected water.. you can pull the remaining water (THAT CONTAINS THE EXCESS CITRIC ACID) away from the crystals that are of HIGH purity. So HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT LEAVE YOU WITH AN ABUNDANCE OF EXTRA CITRIC ACID? Hmmm? You are one giant DOUCHE.
Have you tried it yet?
If you have any sort of disagreeable citric acid flavor, you can always recrystallize (like I've said so many times).
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
#9531212 - 01/02/09 08:36 AM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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TreeMoss said: I agree that freeze precipitating is a better method to evaporating, as this was the question that started my "intrusion".....freeze precipitating is perhaps even better than salting while in solution in the solvent to preciptate your salts......that way you have less solvent in your final product.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9531234 - 01/02/09 08:44 AM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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Treemoss, please go away.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
#9531748 - 01/02/09 11:33 AM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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quit hijacking the damn thread you stupid fuckheads--- I asked a serious question and you just wasted about 16 posts trying to insult each other and prove each other wrong....
Either ignore or band the fool but anyways you both fight like GIRLY-MEN
if you dont want to answer questions anymore then maybe we can have the Mods close this thread and you can just PM your insults and arguments to eachother and leave the reast of us out of it!!
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9531757 - 01/02/09 11:35 AM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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You all seem to have some kind of mass confusion/psychosis going on...the thread goes all over the place.
Online04281969, your just very strange and moody; your moods shift a lot. I never meant to start and argument, you all just criticize very harshly when someone suggest something that is different from you thinking........aka totally out of line.
A couple of post up and things seemed to make sense, things were cool; then it deteriorated like it's a purpose for the thread.
Ya, I don't want to put crappy mescaline in my stomach; I have enough HCL down there.....it's like drinking citric acid, that isn't good for your tissue...go eat some raw citric acid, harsh stuff even if food grade...doesn't mean eat it.
And I agree that washing isn't necessary after a freeze precipitate but why not, that is a very easy thing to do.....If your just trying to run through things then your missing the art of this whole thing...
Some things above this post make sense and some don't, I don't feel like rebutting everything......I don't care what people do, hell drink methanol and call it moonshine........I just don't give a shit....well, don't do that and take your time extracting; we all know that when it comes down to it the effort is worthwhile....and if not sober up first.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
#9531881 - 01/02/09 12:07 PM (15 years, 29 days ago) |
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travelleler said: I asked a serious question and you just wasted about 16 posts trying to insult each other and prove each other wrong....
I answered you in the very next post. And that answer was given a few times before and since. Your question was on how to transfer crystals from one jar to another? You can use hot distilled water. Hope that helps.
I agree that this thread should be closed. It's all here. You just need to follow the directions.
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