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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9507262 - 12/28/08 01:20 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

will it be alright to use a jug with a metal lid and rubber seal (i got 2 half gallon brewery jugs... :smile:


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9507328 - 12/28/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know.  See if it will stand up to the xylene. 

Apple juice is good.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9507760 - 12/28/08 03:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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TreeMoss, STFU means shut the fuck up. I don't think anyone but you has any idea what you're babbling on about with your alternate salting procedure.

There's a rule in the chem forum that I think should apply here as well: if you're going to ask questions about a tek, provide a link to it. Otherwise no one know what you're talking about.

But frankly I don't see what salting with sulfuric or other acids has to dow ith the Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate tek, which uses citric acid for the fact that it's foodsafe, it's newb-safe, and water can be used to seperate the mescaline citrate from the excess citric acid.

If you can manage to form a coherant question about that other salting method, I'd suggest starting a new thread about it, and giving people a link so they know what you're talking about.




Your a freaking retard!  How do you post a link to a question?  Like that ?, what link should I put there.......to a porno site so you can jake yourself off?  then what link after that, a comic site?  and that I just don't know what after that........but ya.

No it applied, the water from salting.......I presumed several options and I must have a complete pre-lab in my head to be able to "in theory" practice the results.  I wondered why this joe on the drug forums pulled it off instead of separating layers, so I asked the know it alls (since a lot of teks have been worked around with) to see how the hell he pulled that off.....I never got to ask that guy Questions and many where the result of reading.

Sorry for disturbing your worldly control, please proceed with the citric acid mescaline..........I'd like to know how it turned out...


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9508416 - 12/28/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Don't call him a retard.  He said to post a link to the TEK you're referencing. 

You're getting things fucked up somewhere along the way.  I don't know where you're skipping the gear, and I don't care to try to figure you out, then straighten you out.  Until you actually do some real world practice, maybe you should keep your posts theoretical as well. 

Think about concentration.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9509152 - 12/28/08 08:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Great TEK, doing the first pull from 500grams semi-fresh skins.

I evaporated naptha in my room before....xylene is a different animal entirely....no evap'ing that inside, peee-yu

thank you for the tek.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: PreferDmt]
    #9509346 - 12/28/08 09:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

maybe i have the wrong idea of how this tek works.... but doesn't the mesc go from the lye water to xylene to CITRIC WATER then the citric water is evaporated???


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9511382 - 12/29/08 08:25 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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maybe i have the wrong idea of how this tek works.... but doesn't the mesc go from the lye water to xylene to CITRIC WATER then the citric water is evaporated???




Pretty much, you can filter when in solutions and a freeze precipitate at the end instead of an evap.  Plus you can do multiple recrystallizations if you do a freeze precipitate to get more pure crystals each time.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: SurReality]
    #9511420 - 12/29/08 08:47 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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maybe i have the wrong idea of how this tek works.... but doesn't the mesc go from the lye water to xylene to CITRIC WATER then the citric water is evaporated???




The water will stink for a day or two no matter how cleanly you separate it from the xylene.  You want to do everything pretty much outdoors or in good ventilation.  Any time you open some xylene it will stink.  And, any time you do a separation of layers, you are likely to drip a few drops.


BUT - if you freeze precipitate the crystals and remove the excess water, you can add clean water to the crystals to collect, then dry that inside.  That won't stink at all.  Well, maybe if you stick you nose in it, but it won't smell up the room.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9522821 - 12/31/08 09:40 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I read all 13 pages in this tek-- still need to know the best way to collect the freeze precipitated crystalline material.  I don't know, maybe it was covered and I missed it...

but really, you siphon the acidic water off thus leaving the mostly pure mescalin-citrate in the bottom of the collection vessel... so then my question is, what is the best/easiest way to get the remaining wet crystals out of the jar?

thanks for a great TEK and all you patient answers to all our noobtastic questions!  :thumbup:


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BUT - if you freeze precipitate the crystals and remove the excess water, you can add clean water to the crystals to collect, then dry that inside.  That won't stink at all.  Well, maybe if you stick you nose in it, but it won't smell up the room.


  is that it?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: travelleler]
    #9522882 - 12/31/08 09:57 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

That's it.
Hot distilled water.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9523197 - 12/31/08 11:15 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Santa is a she male, that is funny!

I have thought about building a vapor hood, it is cheap to build your own scrubber but the fan can cost a little more (and you don't need a huge amount of CFM for a vapor hood).

If your going to do a lot of extractions and security is risky outside (people smelling things in the breeze, or can actually see you doing something) building one is a good advantage.  Plus if you grow, having an extra exhaust fan and a few pounds of carbon makes it very easy to set up. 

Works for everything stinky/toxic other than ammonia, won't scrub that.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9523732 - 12/31/08 01:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Cool.  Why don't you make a "Vapor hood DIY" thread to explain it better?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9524688 - 12/31/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Cool.  Why don't you make a "Vapor hood DIY" thread to explain it better?




Ya, when I build one; I know it is usually something that people see as cheap to do, but skimping on the cost and putting it on the net so everyone can do it for cheap is how the pedro and torch get banned.

Ya want it so it's just dagga and lotus on the mail order market?  Well, then again they ban the torch's, might as well grow the peyote.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9524748 - 12/31/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

What? How is a flowhood tek going to get cacti banned? You make absolutely no sense, why don't you stop posting for a long while until you've read enough to comprehend what's going on.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9525201 - 12/31/08 07:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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maybe i have the wrong idea of how this tek works.... but doesn't the mesc go from the lye water to xylene to CITRIC WATER then the citric water is evaporated???




The water will stink for a day or two no matter how cleanly you separate it from the xylene.  You want to do everything pretty much outdoors or in good ventilation.  Any time you open some xylene it will stink.  And, any time you do a separation of layers, you are likely to drip a few drops.


BUT - if you freeze precipitate the crystals and remove the excess water, you can add clean water to the crystals to collect, then dry that inside.  That won't stink at all.  Well, maybe if you stick you nose in it, but it won't smell up the room.




alright i have fairly good experience with extracting dmt, and i prefer the product i got from freezing than from evaporating....

so is more commonly preferred to skip the citric part entirely and just put the solvent in the freezer like with dmt? if i'm right on with that question than i don't see why you would do the citric water, i can't imagine waiting for water to evaporate seems like its an unneeded step that just adds more days of waiting for less pure product....? i have a feeling i won't be using all the citric acid i ordered...


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9525561 - 12/31/08 09:16 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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What? How is a flowhood tek going to get cacti banned? You make absolutely no sense, why don't you stop posting for a long while until you've read enough to comprehend what's going on.




Take your own advice, seriously; if it's so easy and everyone does the easiest possible teks, it's going to get more difficult; they will go after people selling the trich cacti's, it's not even legal it's just simply not prosecuted.  It seems like a lot of people buy the least amount possible, like they are buying this shit off of an allowance......if your spending all of our money on cactus and solvent, and don't have the cash for a sep funnel or a glass pipet, that doesn't look like your in a good place compared to adults that don't want punk kids fucking up more shit.

Edit: and solvent vapor has a lot to do with cactus being targeted.  It is a matter of time until we read an article about some kids cooking up cactus and extracting crystals (an already associated term, crystals), getting caught from the solvent smells, something catching on fire or someone passing out/paramedic response to solvent fumes.......I've heard people doing stupid things and this tek is easy, just saying that some investment couldn't hurt....plus a vapor hood is very cheap to construct and break back down....and you won't have to breath anything in or worry about a flash fire.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9525636 - 12/31/08 09:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Treemoss your posts are somewhat confusing. Is english your primary language? Are you mildy retarded? The way you put sentences together is odd.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9525708 - 12/31/08 10:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Treemoss, you're one extremely confused individual.

First, trichocerus is already illegal to sell, buy, or possess. The law simply isn't enforced (as is MHRB, and any other plant containing a controlled substance)

Second, there is a tremendous abundance of good and extremely simple teks that allow literally anyone to be able to extract DMT. But the sale of MHRB still isn't restricted. It's a matter of the DEA's priorities. Unless they start getting pressure from concerned parents (probably inspired by YouTube videos and Dr. Phil), these plant materials aren't in any real danger.

But the bottom line is: that has nothing to do with making your own fume hood. I simply can't follow your trains of thought.



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SurReality said:
maybe i have the wrong idea of how this tek works.... but doesn't the mesc go from the lye water to xylene to CITRIC WATER then the citric water is evaporated???




The water will stink for a day or two no matter how cleanly you separate it from the xylene.  You want to do everything pretty much outdoors or in good ventilation.  Any time you open some xylene it will stink.  And, any time you do a separation of layers, you are likely to drip a few drops.


BUT - if you freeze precipitate the crystals and remove the excess water, you can add clean water to the crystals to collect, then dry that inside.  That won't stink at all.  Well, maybe if you stick you nose in it, but it won't smell up the room.




alright i have fairly good experience with extracting dmt, and i prefer the product i got from freezing than from evaporating....

so is more commonly preferred to skip the citric part entirely and just put the solvent in the freezer like with dmt? if i'm right on with that question than i don't see why you would do the citric water, i can't imagine waiting for water to evaporate seems like its an unneeded step that just adds more days of waiting for less pure product....? i have a feeling i won't be using all the citric acid i ordered...




You can't freeze-precipitate the mescaline from the xylene (for that matter, you can't freeze-precipitate DMT from xylene either, only from naphtha). 

Freeze-precipitation relies on the solubility of the chemical varying drastically over the relevant temperature range. DMT is fairly soluble in room temperature naphtha, but is very poorly soluble in freezing naphtha.  Both mescaline and DMT are quite soluble in room-temp xylene, but are just as soluble in xylene at 0 degrees celsius.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9525786 - 12/31/08 10:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ya, you say I'm confused when you just reworded what I already said...like it wasn't clear.

I'm just saying, having a fume hood makes things less risky; for all of us.  I am also not saying it's a big deal, I just don't want to see them knock more things into the danger zone.  These drugs aren't exactly popular so that is something that we are lucky with, if everyone was taking these all the time then it would be a bigger issue.  It takes an unusual mind to idealize these drugs with the experiences that they induce, not your typical feel good drug.

I'd like to see people take the time and infest, even cooking the cactus down to a tea stinks up the whole place.  I remember some guys in an apartment (this is why I say a cheap scrubber is good, apartments and/or close housing), they were cooking some hash oil; some kind of crappy old tek with alcohol but they were heating the alcohol to extract and it wasn't a cold extract evape.....so it stunk.

It stunk up the whole block,,,,reaked!

I am just saying, security wise it's a good idea; especially for apartments, tight urban settings and so on......then again people never seem to worry much about pot smell and I never got into trouble for that but it brings heat......and every bit of heat adds up, makes things more paranoid/risky.

With a 2nd degree felony you just can't be to careful, nothing to just throw together....I know people don't usually worry about venting or go outside, but it's harder to get caught inside (harder to obtain PC).

I just don't want to see a sad story where something stupid like the neighbors smelled something, or saw strange activity and cactus...or a DMT plant or anything.......we are lucky to have online vendors and kids seemed to find a lot of the salvia online.....I did hear about some head shops selling it too.....but not around my little city.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9525800 - 12/31/08 10:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

ok that makes sense now, thanks entro...

so does the citric acid in water make the water not freeze??? im not really getting what mescaline is being frozen out of, please clarify... cause i'm not really all about evaporating if i can freeze for a purer product.


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