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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9498265 - 12/26/08 04:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Well, good luck with that.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9498506 - 12/26/08 05:41 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Treemoss, if I'm understanding what you're saying, you want to dissolve an acid in nonpolar solvent (benzene?), and add this to your mescaline-container nonpolar solvent in order to salt out the mescaline as a solid?

If so, there's going to be one major problem: Finding an acid that's soluble in your nonpolar solvent. Acids, being acids, are quite polar and are not apt to be soluble in xylene/toluene/benzene. (And by the way, benzene is quite dramatically carcinogenic, I strongly advise against using it outside of a lab with proper equipment... and even then, using a safer solvent is always preferable)

A method similar to this has been done with DMT. When the DMT is extracted with xylene, a solution of acetone saturated with fumaric acid is added, and DMT fumarate precipitates as nice thin needles. (Acetone and xylene are miscible, and fumaric acid is quite soluble in acetone). But one individual tried this with mescaline and found it to be unsuccessful (I forget what the issue was... I think the mescaline fumarate was too soluble in the xylene, or it precipitated as an oily residue that wasn't easily seperated, or something).

If you want to salt the mescaline out without using an aqueous solution of acid, I think gassing with HCl is about the only viable method I'm aware of.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9498790 - 12/26/08 06:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Alright that's cool, I'm not sure if I typed benzene I remember seeing it and then deleting but might of forgot.

I haven't done a crystal tech yet so my uneducated, well net education are just experiments in my head....I get what you are saying and I didn't fact check what you brought up.

But I am visualizing one tek done on the drug forums and in his precipitation bottle it seemed like it was his xylol that he poured acid into and formed crystals......he never showed having water then salting or freeze precipitating.

so you have your tea, make it basic and push into the solvent; separate then salt....so you would need to separate your salted water, yes?  Then freeze precipitate or evap....seemed to make sense to me awhile ago then not lately.

And I just learned that hexane isn't available anywhere other than chem supplies, there goes those nice DMT crystals for me...shity how everything is over controlled.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9498863 - 12/26/08 07:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

What? 
No. 

Could you please stop adding your confusion?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9499952 - 12/26/08 11:04 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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so you have your tea, make it basic and push into the solvent; separate then salt....so you would need to separate your salted water, yes?  Then freeze precipitate or evap....seemed to make sense to me awhile ago then not lately.




I have no idea what you're trying to say

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And I just learned that hexane isn't available anywhere other than chem supplies, there goes those nice DMT crystals for me...shity how everything is over controlled.




Heptane is better than hexane, and is available from art supply stores (called Bestine) as a rubber cement thinner.

But you can grow decent crystals using plain naphtha. Not sure where you got the idea that these things are controlled.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
    #9501075 - 12/27/08 05:53 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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so you have your tea, make it basic and push into the solvent; separate then salt....so you would need to separate your salted water, yes?  Then freeze precipitate or evap....seemed to make sense to me awhile ago then not lately.




I have no idea what you're trying to say

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And I just learned that hexane isn't available anywhere other than chem supplies, there goes those nice DMT crystals for me...shity how everything is over controlled.




Heptane is better than hexane, and is available from art supply stores (called Bestine) as a rubber cement thinner.

But you can grow decent crystals using plain naphtha. Not sure where you got the idea that these things are controlled.




Mmm, I was pretty sure I saw hexane being used for DMT crystallization and they were very clear/white crystals, not the waxy shit that naphtha sets up.........and where can you get hexane other than a chem supply?

Sure you know what I meant!  Make a tea, mix the tea with your solvent, make it basic; take away the solvent, add an acid/water, separate the water then crystallize (filtering the at stages doesn't hurt either).


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9501150 - 12/27/08 07:09 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Dear Toll House Cookies,

I have never baked anything before, but I am very concerned that your recipe is different than Betty Crocker's. 
But, what really concerns me is the way some people make fudge. 

Signed,
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9501163 - 12/27/08 07:23 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Dear Toll House Cookies,

I have never baked anything before, but I am very concerned that your recipe is different than Betty Crocker's. 
But, what really concerns me is the way some people make fudge. 

Signed,
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Okay smart ass, this guy has me interested in to how the crystals precipitated out from the solvent when water was introduced as well!

He got a lot of nice mescaline too, so don't be an asshole; advise.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9501193 - 12/27/08 07:46 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Follow the instructions.
Save your questions until after you try it.
That's my advice.


BTW, if you want to follow that TEK, then follow that TEK and ask questions about that TEK on that thread where people are discussing it.  And if you want to ask questions about chemistry, then think up a good question and make a post.

(I believe that was sulfate in the pics you posted.) 


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9501523 - 12/27/08 10:13 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Follow the instructions.
Save your questions until after you try it.
That's my advice.


BTW, if you want to follow that TEK, then follow that TEK and ask questions about that TEK on that thread where people are discussing it.  And if you want to ask questions about chemistry, then think up a good question and make a post.

(I believe that was sulfate in the pics you posted.) 




Ya, sulfate; the thread is closed it is a sticky/bulletin.

The only Q is why did the crystals form in a wet environment with water present in such large amounts/without separation of layers (shaking maybe, perhaps there was still dissolved mescaline).


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9502616 - 12/27/08 02:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

So what you're asking is whether it's possible to get a precipitate without separating the solvent from the acidified water right? Ok, so why do you think this is desirable? I don't know if it's even possible as the crystals may precipitate and then redissolve in the solvent before you can harvest them. Why don't you just start with the basics? I mean Christ, you're trying to cook flambe before you know how to bake bread :rolleyes:


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9502948 - 12/27/08 03:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

First of all, Big thanks to 04281969! This TEK worked like a charm. I have never done anything like this before. But, I followed it just right and I ended up with good results. I am now just waiting for it to dry. I will probably dose some of it soon and post a trip report. Maybe I'll post some pics of the end result.

Quick questions:

1: If you had to compare a 500 milligram dose of this citrate crystal to a dose of LSD. About how many hits of acid are we talking? I know it's not the same thing but you know what I mean. Basically I don't want the dreaded "under dose".

2: What's a good way to load a 00 capsule without a "loader"?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9503858 - 12/27/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I think 400mg is about where you can start calling it a proper trip. 
500mg will just add a little insurance.
It's hard to compare to a substance that can have great variability in "doses".

If you have a bowl on your scale (or maybe just use a teaspoon), you can just take the capsule apart and scoop the powder in there.  Once the side is filled, you can start chopping into the pile like a cookie cutter, pressing it in as you go.  Then put some into the other side, and reassemble the capsule.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9506171 - 12/28/08 07:12 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Mmm, mescaline seems to be a lot different than acid but then again every trip varies.........just take a gram, that will blow your mind for a good year!

Well Gastronomicus, I was really just curious about what I was seeing in that guys tek.........I would assume the normal procedure if I was to in theory try it myself (which is illegal and not advised).  That was the first tek I ever saw go through and it was hard to really smooth it out for my understanding.

I would in theory go with the normal separation before trying to find the snow flakes.  Yet, in theory (and not it's not like complicated baking, that would be a synth compared to extract), the water from the sulfate is very minimal when stirred so precipitated alkaloid is very minimal; but if separated it would dissolve back.......so best to do the separation and be more complete/thorough.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9506259 - 12/28/08 08:07 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

A gram won't kill you, but you probably don't want to scare yourself the first time you try it. 

Treemoss, how does one ask you politely to STFU?


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9506318 - 12/28/08 08:38 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I think 400mg is about where you can start calling it a proper trip. 
500mg will just add a little insurance.
It's hard to compare to a substance that can have great variability in "doses".

If you have a bowl on your scale (or maybe just use a teaspoon), you can just take the capsule apart and scoop the powder in there.  Once the side is filled, you can start chopping into the pile like a cookie cutter, pressing it in as you go.  Then put some into the other side, and reassemble the capsule.




Okay 500 milligrams it is. I figured I could get the powder into those capsules, somehow. i was just looking for some tips, so thanks.

I know Acid doses vary from sheet to sheet, batch to batch. But, I kind of know what to expect on 2 hits of "normal acid". Basically I want VISUALS, not just a body buzz. I don't get to trip as often as I would like due to schedule and other responsibilities, so I would like to make the most of it.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
    #9506326 - 12/28/08 08:39 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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A gram won't kill you, but you probably don't want to scare yourself the first time you try it. 

Treemoss, how does one ask you politely to STFU?




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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9506342 - 12/28/08 08:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

What does STFU stand for?  stay the fuck ?

ya gram is a bit much, but then again so can mescaline if you have only eat'n acid that has been passed through a lot of hands and been mistreated........like the damn hippies that show it off in sunlight, or those darn buds that used to be good before hippie hands played with it so much.

How much can a 00' cap fill?  I never weighed it and yes it's salt dependent.......always thought that one cap is roughly 100mg's.

Take a little bit at a time, mescaline always had a nice ability to trip day after day, or dose after dose.........slowly build it up, allow a few hours to pass after a few....it does catch up.

Taking a gram at once is a good bit, but building to that over a day into the night; that would be a wonderful time and quite safe....if you aren't in a bad setting like a hectic dorm/party area or parent things.

I have never been afraid of mescaline, it doesn't grind the gears with feelings that don't make sense quite like acid can.


If anything you being on mescaline will freak out other people, it's a power; a very strange power.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
    #9506363 - 12/28/08 09:00 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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I think 400mg is about where you can start calling it a proper trip. 
500mg will just add a little insurance.
It's hard to compare to a substance that can have great variability in "doses".

If you have a bowl on your scale (or maybe just use a teaspoon), you can just take the capsule apart and scoop the powder in there.  Once the side is filled, you can start chopping into the pile like a cookie cutter, pressing it in as you go.  Then put some into the other side, and reassemble the capsule.




Okay 500 milligrams it is. I figured I could get the powder into those capsules, somehow. i was just looking for some tips, so thanks.

I know Acid doses vary from sheet to sheet, batch to batch. But, I kind of know what to expect on 2 hits of "normal acid". Basically I want VISUALS, not just a body buzz. I don't get to trip as often as I would like due to schedule and other responsibilities, so I would like to make the most of it.




I can't say exactly how 500mg is going to affect you.  It isn't going to kill you, but I can't say how visual it is going to be for you.  In any case, it will be great.  And you'll have more shots at attaining the effects you desire if the first half gram doesn't do it.  500mg is a good solid starting dose.


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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
    #9506630 - 12/28/08 10:36 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

TreeMoss, STFU means shut the fuck up. I don't think anyone but you has any idea what you're babbling on about with your alternate salting procedure.

There's a rule in the chem forum that I think should apply here as well: if you're going to ask questions about a tek, provide a link to it. Otherwise no one know what you're talking about.

But frankly I don't see what salting with sulfuric or other acids has to dow ith the Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate tek, which uses citric acid for the fact that it's foodsafe, it's newb-safe, and water can be used to seperate the mescaline citrate from the excess citric acid.

If you can manage to form a coherant question about that other salting method, I'd suggest starting a new thread about it, and giving people a link so they know what you're talking about.


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