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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9445949 - 12/16/08 07:50 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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UberDeepName said: Okay cool, one LAST question. Do I have to only use 1/2 cup acid water? Could I double the amount by dissolving 1 full tbsp into 1 cup of water? Then use 1/5 a cup with each salting? It seems like it would make it easier to freeze the larger amount of water then pour the Xylene off.
Well, yes you can, but no you shouldn't. You'll end up with an excess of citric acid in your final product. It won't kill you, but why add it?
I guess with some dissolving in hot distilled water and recrystalization through freezing, you could get a better purity again, but if you follow the directions, be assured that you already have enough acid to link up with all of the mescaline alkaloids that are to be gotten out of the cactus. Besides, you want to form the 2:1 mescaline:citric acid molecules. And having more water to separate doesn't help matters either.
Just follow the directions and you can't go wrong.
And BTW, use 1/4 of the water each time, then use the collected leftover separated waters for the fifth extraction.
- Unless you are going to evaporate everything, and not freeze out the crystals. In that case, use 1/5 each time.
(I recommend freezing for purity.)
Edited by 04281969 (12/16/08 08:22 PM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9446153 - 12/16/08 08:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks bro. I did my first extraction tonight. It was a little harder pulling up the xylene than I thought it would be. I could only get about half a quart up without risking getting some sludge. I put the xylene into a quart mason jar.
I went ahead and salted that and I put it in the freezer so I can pour off the xylene tomorrow morning. I didn't wait for the water and xylene to separate totally before putting it in the freezer. It was almost there, just some little bubbles on the sides of the mason jars. Is that okay? It only takes a few minutes right?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9446228 - 12/16/08 08:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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First off, slow down. Patience is key. Don't try to rush it.
Why didn't you pull the water layer from the xylene before you put it into the freezer? It's best to be as clean as possible at every step.
At this point, I'd pour off the xylene as soon as the water freezes. Then, thaw and pour it into a much smaller jar. Then, refreeze, and again pour off any more xylene that's left. You can then even pour some water on top of the frozen water, and pour it off real quick. That should wash away any xylene residue left on top.
Then, thaw and carefully separate the water from the crystals using a pipette.
- Or, you can just pour off the xylene after the water freezes, then let it thaw, and pour it into your evaporation dish. Any remaining xylene will evaporate away before the water does.
But again, I have to stress that the separation of excess melt water from the freeze precipitated mescaline crystals is worth the effort.
Edited by 04281969 (12/16/08 08:55 PM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9446303 - 12/16/08 08:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I didn't pull the water layer from the Xylene because I wasn't really comfortable "pushing through" the top layer of Xylene with the pipette I have. It's a disposable one, I have 5 of them. I also have small glass droppers that will not reach. I figured I could just freeze the water and pour off the Xylene as you mentioned. I was also planning to swirl some water on top of the frozen layer to get rid of any residual Xylene.
Believe me, I am not rushing. I want to be as clean as possible also. But this is all new to me, so I have tons of stupid questions.
I plan on recrystallizing once I have evaporated all 5 pulls.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9446345 - 12/16/08 08:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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BTW, I am very grateful for this tek and your guidance. I am sure it will turn out badass and I will have a very Merry Christmas. Everything has worked like you said it would. I have followed the Tek all the way, minus the freezing part. So thanks to you.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9446421 - 12/16/08 09:08 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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The problem with using twice as much citric acid is that you don't have enough alkaloid molecules to link up to both loose ends on the citric acid molecules, and you'll have a lot of 1:1 bonds of mescaline:citric acid. I've heard of people getting it to crystalize out, but the 2:1 bond is obviously more potent and predictable. (And it doesn't give you that back-of-the-throat citric acid kick-back, either.)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9446469 - 12/16/08 09:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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UberDeepName said: BTW, I am very grateful for this tek and your guidance. I am sure it will turn out badass and I will have a very Merry Christmas. Everything has worked like you said it would. I have followed the Tek all the way, minus the freezing part. So thanks to you.
Hey, no problem. I'm sure everything will work out. Even if you take the evaporated product as is without purifying, it should still be a very pleasant experience. Mix 500mg into a small glass of OJ or something and have a great day.
-------------------- HCL x 1.63 = M.C. H2SO4 x 1.3 = M.C. H2SO4 x .80 = HCL M.C. x .61 = HCL M.C. x .77 = H2SO4 HCL x 1.25 = H2SO4
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9446530 - 12/16/08 09:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm sure it will also. I used the 1/2 teaspoon to 1/2 cup water like you said. So everything should work out like you laid out. I can't wait. it's been a very interesting, educational process.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9449437 - 12/17/08 11:06 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I suppose you could use more distilled water with your 1/2 teaspoon citric acid so that you have more water to work with when you freeze. Just don't increase the amount of acid. It will take you more time to evaporate again (obviously), but it wouldn't hurt.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9449504 - 12/17/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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How large a dose should you take when using Mescaline Citrate compared to hcl ?
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: dikki]
#9451288 - 12/17/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Go back and read the thread. There are a couple of posts that cover that.
300mg mescaline HCL x (211+96)/(211+36.5) = 372mg mescaline citrate.
HCL x 1.24 = M.C.
Edited by 04281969 (12/17/08 05:48 PM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: 04281969]
#9451865 - 12/17/08 07:24 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay so my first salting is in the evaporation dish. I have noticed some small pools off Xylene on top of the water.
To solve this I will: Pour the water back into a small baby food bottle, freeze, the xylene should be on top. I'll pour off any on top, then rinse again with warm water, swirling quickly. Then I should have fairly clean solution to evap.
Will the Xylene eat up a disposable pipette? If not, I think I will try to pipette the water out of the xylene like you recommend next time. I will pipette it off into another small jar and then freeze. Any Xylene should be on top.
It seems like you will always end up with Xylene in your water that will need to be dealt with no matter how careful you are.
I'm beginning to get comfortable with the process now though. I'm not so sketchy about doing all the steps.
I'm stoked.
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Edited by UberDeepName (12/17/08 07:29 PM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9451874 - 12/17/08 07:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh yeah, What should I do with the remaining 52 grams of dired cactus I have? Shall I order 50grams more and do it proper?
Or can I cut everthing in half and do a smaller extraction?
I may do an alcohol extraction with everclear.
Any suggestions would be cool.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9451936 - 12/17/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey, Uber..........are you salting the alkaloids in your solvent, kinda reads like you are salting them in water?
Ya, order more; if you have the material and the cash, couldn't hurt to have some sitting around for a rainy day.
That or use that money to buy better equipment, like a sep funnel; makes things a lot easier (once all the alkaloids are made basic and pushed into the solvent, it's a matter of draining away the water junk).
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Edited by TreeMoss (12/17/08 07:40 PM)
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
#9451977 - 12/17/08 07:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Uh yeah, I am salting the Xylene with a solution of Citric acid and distilled water. Then I am separating the water from Xylene and evaporating. I just ended up with some Xylene in my water that is to be evaporating. Easy fix though. Sorry for confusion.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: UberDeepName]
#9454145 - 12/18/08 02:11 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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How bad is the smell when using Xylene? Also, during the drying process of the mescaline salts, would that smell as well? I'm trying to see if I can do this at home, but I live with my parents. I do have a cabinet that I can lock up to store anything in there.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: nsxviper]
#9454172 - 12/18/08 02:22 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't manufacture schedule I drugs in a home owned by someone else without their express permission. You're putting them in a position of unfair legal culpability.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: Entropymancer]
#9454322 - 12/18/08 03:41 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Entropymancer said: Don't manufacture schedule I drugs in a home owned by someone else without their express permission. You're putting them in a position of unfair legal culpability.
I'm not too worried about that. I'm actually in college, just living with the parents. I do know my laws and my experiences with other drugs. But I really want to do this extract in 2 days the most and I know I can avoid detection but I'm worried about the smell.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: nsxviper]
#9454368 - 12/18/08 04:21 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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DON"T DO THAT AT HOME! For real, not just the legal aspect which is huge for your relationship; but your not going to be able to vent the solvents properly and that is going to flip them out if they do catch on and they likely will........if anything wait till they are gone and do it outside where neighbors can't see......I'd build an exhaust so you can scrub it (neighbors can still catch a wiff of the solvents and wonder then ask your parents).
I noticed that fresh cactus smell kinda metallic, I wonder if that is the alkaloids.
I haven't done an extraction yet to crystallize, but I have wondered about the water in the acid for dilution and the affects on salting.
On the drug forums, there are some really nice pics from a guy who did about five kilo's of cactus...and the photo's showed the alkaloids precipitating out using diluted acid......I also wonder about the coca extraction, any salt would not crystallize with water present.....leaving some in solution when you filter out your precipitations.
If someone with experience with salts and the water from the dilute acid could help fill me in, I have been trying to get my pre-lab as perfect and predictable as possible before attempting.
I think a pre-lab is more important than thinking you can do a good job, really gets the bugs out and makes you think about all the things that can go wrong instead of perfect.
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Re: Easy Three Step Mescaline Citrate [Re: TreeMoss]
#9454825 - 12/18/08 08:02 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Get a long glass pipette that will reach to the bottom of the quart jar.
Xylene stinks, and so does evaporation (unless you separate and dry just the crystals).
Don't waste the everclear. If you're wanting to do an alcohol extraction, get some isopropyl.
For 50g, get a 1/2 gallon apple juice jar, and use 3/4 cup lye. Cut all other amounts in half.
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