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hellucinogen
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Do they keep growing?
#7875052 - 01/13/08 07:22 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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I was wondering, once a mushroom opens it cap, does it keep growing? or is this about as big as it's going to get?
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BUDDHA_702
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Yup, they will open up like this

they will stop growing after 2-3days I think.
Edited by BUDDHA_702 (01/13/08 07:26 PM)
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punkhardcore92
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well after the viel breaks, and the cap opens, the mushroom reaches maturity, drops the spores, then you'll notice the cap start growing upwards like a bowl then usually cracks,splits after getting a cetrain size. So i guess it gets ALITTLE bigger.
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bigger is not better. 1 gram of small mushrooms contains more active chemical than a gram of larger mushrooms
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Nibin
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: BUDDHA_702]
#7875142 - 01/13/08 07:36 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: Nibin]
#7875209 - 01/13/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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1g of dry ed mushroom tissue contains .01% of psilocybin, size does not matter how potent they are, the nutrient media during spore germination plays a major factor with how strong that .01% of psilocybin will be but like I said, 1g dry of small or large mushrooms is .01%
Aborts are not more potent because 100 aborts dry ed to 1g is .01% psilocybin, 1 large mushroom that weighs 1g contains .01% psilocybin... Hope this helps you guys understand the actives in mushrooms, later.
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: Pr0_X]
#7875253 - 01/13/08 07:51 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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I don't think the percentages are exactly .01% no matter how big the mushroom is....You have to take into consideration mushrooms strain and things like that. But i've read a study where the percentages in smaller mushrooms were greater than larger ones.
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hellucinogen
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: Frost000]
#7875295 - 01/13/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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Thanks for the tips, but I'm not concerned with 'potency', just want bigger spore prints, as far as psilocybin content I already knew all that stuff. I should've been more specific about what I was asking. Thanks guys.
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hellucinogen
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Btw, reason I ask, all of my caps are about the diameter of a dime, or penny. Can these size prints be sufficient?
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Pr0_X
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Having problems getting your caps to drop heavy eh?
Back in the day I would leave the lid of the tubberware container on but loose (without clamping it down) I had problems getting those super dense prints even when the strain I was printing was known for being heavy spore depositors, try reducing the amount of FAE to next to none during the print, you should get charcole prints after 24 hours, works for me
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if you're going to be making prints then you want to harvest the mushroom right before the veil breaks
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: HeadFood]
#7875789 - 01/13/08 09:11 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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That size print would be fine, just make lots of them.
You only need a small amount of a print for a syringe.
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zyxwvutsr
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: Pr0_X]
#7876289 - 01/13/08 10:46 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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Pr0_X said: 1g of dry ed mushroom tissue contains .01% of psilocybin, size does not matter how potent they are, the nutrient media during spore germination plays a major factor with how strong that .01% of psilocybin will be but like I said, 1g dry of small or large mushrooms is .01%
Aborts are not more potent because 100 aborts dry ed to 1g is .01% psilocybin, 1 large mushroom that weighs 1g contains .01% psilocybin... Hope this helps you guys understand the actives in mushrooms, later.
wrong/kinda on paragraph one. most psilocybin is produced in the early stage of fruiting. thus a 3.5 gram bag of mushrooms containing 2 large mushrooms has the same amount of psilocybin as 2 small mushrooms weighing approx 1 gram (whatever you name it). so a 3.5 gram bag of mushrooms containing small mushrooms is 3.5 times as potent as the first bag. size does matter.
Second paragraph you are wrong.
you're trying to say a mushroom grown from a multispore inoculation on brf cake fruited in non-optimal conditions contains the same amount of psilocybin as that of an isolated rhizomorph knocked to grain spawned to poo? you're crazy!
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: zyxwvutsr]
#7876291 - 01/13/08 10:47 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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^ sorry should've PMed him
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: zyxwvutsr]
#7876385 - 01/13/08 11:22 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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Sorry zyx but I'm more prone to believe Pro based solely upon posts and registered date. Call me old fashioned and all :P. But I tell you what, you grow out 50-60 grows in optimum conditions under laboratory grade conditions (same sub, same size, same watering schedule, same spawn, etc), with half of the test subjects picked early and half picked later in their cycle, and THEN do a chromatograph on all those batches of mushrooms and get back to us with psilocybin content, post the results and show us what is what .
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zyxwvutsr
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posts and register date? I've been growing for a number of years now. Where I live is far from where I gather my manure at and my truck gave me a little trouble a couple months ago. I came across this website upon searching for substrates online. I lurked around for a while before registering to share my correct, as Pro's post was in fact, misinforming.
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: zyxwvutsr]
#7876452 - 01/13/08 11:50 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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Verifiable data or it didn't happen.
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: Pr0_X]
#7877549 - 01/14/08 09:41 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Quote:
Pr0_X said: 1g of dry ed mushroom tissue contains .01% of psilocybin, size does not matter how potent they are, the nutrient media during spore germination plays a major factor with how strong that .01% of psilocybin will be but like I said, 1g dry of small or large mushrooms is .01%
Aborts are not more potent because 100 aborts dry ed to 1g is .01% psilocybin, 1 large mushroom that weighs 1g contains .01% psilocybin... Hope this helps you guys understand the actives in mushrooms, later.
You posts makes no sense at all. Don't just make stuff up and throw in numbers so it looks like you might know what you're talking about. There are people here who don't know any better.
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: Nibin]
#7877670 - 01/14/08 10:21 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Quote:
Nibin said:
You only need a small amount of a print for a syringe.
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: Blutjager]
#7877696 - 01/14/08 10:32 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Zyxwvutsr and Pr0_X, you're both wrong. Total actives usually increase somewhat with each flush. Psilocin/psilocybin ratio also increases with each flush.
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zyxwvutsr
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: fastfred]
#7877719 - 01/14/08 10:39 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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link doesn't work and I beg to differ
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zyxwvutsr
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: zyxwvutsr]
#7877737 - 01/14/08 10:49 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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okay so I've got your link working and have failed to see where you think I have admitted incorrect information. So the amount of actives vary with subsequent flushes, does that prove anything a said unjust? No.
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: zyxwvutsr]
#7877738 - 01/14/08 10:49 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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I think zyx and FF are both right, if you combine their information.
What's whith that "stronger", but still .01% crap? I couldn't invent something screwier.
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zyxwvutsr
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: zyxwvutsr]
#7877746 - 01/14/08 10:51 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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not to mention your source of information is from 1982. scroll up in your link and read why nthey think mushrooms turn blue. Your BOOK, your holy source of wrong information doesn't know blueing is oxidation of psilocybin
*not trying to argue or start any fights* but nobody likes misinformation
Edited by zyxwvutsr (01/14/08 10:54 AM)
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: zyxwvutsr]
#7877821 - 01/14/08 11:20 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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> most psilocybin is produced in the early stage of fruiting.
I took that to mean earlier flushes, which would be incorrect. There are a lot of factors, but production of actives does slow a bit as the fruits mature.
You need to tone it down zyxwvutsr, you're not making a good start here. You want to argue with a source then stick to that, don't be accusing me of spreading misinformation. You really don't need to get so excited either. It doesn't help prove any points.
FYI it's the oxidation of psilocin, not psilocybin, that may or may not cause the bluing. That's still a debated topic amongst the most experienced mycologists here.
For someone with a dozen posts or so you're way to argumentative, especially with experienced members here. Just a word of advice, if you want to be respected here you'll tone things down and quit acting like and excitable teen.
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zyxwvutsr
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: fastfred]
#7877905 - 01/14/08 11:42 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Tone it down? Pro_x is wrong, I corrected him. You thought I was wrong but that was misunderstanding.
But as for toning it down. I'm sorry I didn't realize your number of posts directly corresponds to your experience with growing mushrooms. lol
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: zyxwvutsr]
#7877983 - 01/14/08 12:03 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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No, just to be clear you were wrong.
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thus a 3.5 gram bag of mushrooms containing 2 large mushrooms has the same amount of psilocybin as 2 small mushrooms weighing approx 1 gram (whatever you name it). so a 3.5 gram bag of mushrooms containing small mushrooms is 3.5 times as potent as the first bag. size does matter.
That is not correct. Production of actives slows down a little as the fruit matures but certainly doesn't stop.
It's ok for people to be wrong. It's not an attack on your character. It's not expected for you to know everything right away.
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: fastfred]
#7878055 - 01/14/08 12:17 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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FF is correct. That logic is not accurate at all. True it is POSSIBLE that 2 small shrooms weighing 1g COULD be more potent than 2 big shrooms weighing 3.5g, but in most cases that is not the case. Each shroom is different!
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Re: Do they keep growing? [Re: zyxwvutsr]
#7878066 - 01/14/08 12:19 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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zyxwvutsr said: But as for toning it down. I'm sorry I didn't realize your number of posts directly corresponds to your experience with growing mushrooms. lol
lol.
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