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Bringing back the draft?
    #7874455 - 01/13/08 05:22 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-393

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Legislation > 2007-2008 (110th Congress)
H.R. 393: Universal National Service Act of 2007

To require all persons in the United States between the ages of 18 and 42 to perform national service, either as a member of the uniformed services or in civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, to authorize the induction of persons in the uniformed services during wartime to meet end-strength requirements of the uniformed services, to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to make permanent the favorable treatment afforded combat pay under the earned income tax credit, and for other purposes.




I hope this dies in committee. Ages 18-42? Do they really need that much cannon fodder for this war?


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: adrug]
    #7874459 - 01/13/08 05:23 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

That guy sponsors that bill every year as a protest against the war in Iraq.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Redstorm]
    #7874989 - 01/13/08 07:11 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

how is that protesting the war
it seems more for it


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Coaster]
    #7875010 - 01/13/08 07:15 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

No, his point, and its a very good one, is that the entire burden of this war is falling on the poor and lower-class who are more likely to take the money that the US Armed Forces are doling out.

He says if you are going to fight the war, you should institute the draft so that the burden of fighting is put onto everyone, the rich and privileged included. He says there is no way the government would be perpetrating this war if their sons were forced to fight.

The only reason he puts the bill up for a vote is that he knows there is NO WAY it will pass. Nobody will vote for this.

Its a protest vote.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7875079 - 01/13/08 07:27 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

all the sons of the politicians would be bombers or tank commanders anyway
theyd have the poor people execute operation human sheild


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Coaster]
    #7875118 - 01/13/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I think you know thats a bit out there.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7875205 - 01/13/08 07:45 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I got too much family in Detroit. Where you çan get to Canada in about 10 minuets for a damn draft


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Cubie]
    #7875501 - 01/13/08 08:25 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Yeah, now that the Baby Boomers are out of the picture, its about time these young mouth breathing yuppies and drooling Xs and Ys (and its very shitty to have a generation as a letter) did some fightin'.

Fight for FREEDOM!!!! DRAFT!!!!


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Minstrel]
    #7875637 - 01/13/08 08:46 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

If there was a war that was actuley for freedom. I would have no problem fighting. But ill never be a pawn in some ones game.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Cubie]
    #7875719 - 01/13/08 09:00 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

So what about all those Iraqi's over there who are trying to piece together a country out of the rubble we left them.

Would you fight to give them the chance to reclaim their country, or should we just leave it trashed?


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7875773 - 01/13/08 09:09 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I ment our freedom.
Everyone has their own opinion on Iraq....
I personaly do not support it and don't believe the propaganda.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Cubie]
    #7875814 - 01/13/08 09:16 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I'm just asking what you'd be willing to fight for.

:justdontknow:


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7875836 - 01/13/08 09:22 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

If america was invaded.
I don't think we should go looking for trouble like we so often do.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Cubie]
    #7875862 - 01/13/08 09:26 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

So not to help anyone out?


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7875902 - 01/13/08 09:33 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Why can't we help ourselves first? God knows we could use it.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7875916 - 01/13/08 09:35 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Well always be running to their aid if they never stand up and and learn to do stuff their selves. If we got bombed no one but us would rebuild anything.
Because we learned how to take care of ourselves.
In the revolutionary war we got help but we didn't stand there and expect anyone to fight our cival war for us.

Give a man a fish and he rats for a day.
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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: adrug]
    #7875937 - 01/13/08 09:38 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Why can't we help ourselves first? God knows we could use it.




We're the most prosperous nation in the history of the Earth.

It's not like there isn't enough to go around.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7875963 - 01/13/08 09:42 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Our country has the biggest debt in the world. China is the most prosperous nation currently


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Cubie]
    #7875982 - 01/13/08 09:44 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

50% of their population lives on a dollar a day.

I don't care how much debt we have.

Let me know when they can feed all of their people.

And if you want to believe we are the second most prosperous nation, that doesn't change my argument one wit.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7875988 - 01/13/08 09:45 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

You're implying that we feed all of our people, which is in fact not the case. People are starving and suffering from malnutrition in America too.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: adrug]
    #7875992 - 01/13/08 09:45 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Its not even close to the same thing, and you know it.

The numbers are in no way, shape, or form comparable.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: adrug]
    #7876014 - 01/13/08 09:50 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Chinas government has all the money.

Poverty is a huge problem in america. People starve everyday.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Cubie]
    #7876259 - 01/13/08 10:36 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

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Chinas government has all the money.

Poverty is a huge problem in america. People starve everyday.



lol

One American could probably feed a staving Chinese family for a week.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Minstrel]
    #7877529 - 01/14/08 09:35 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Absolutely.

Poverty is relative.

In China, the people living on a dollar a day probably had 2 family members working 18-hour days for that dollar.

In America, a bum w/ a good stree corner can make a dollar every 10 minutes.

The two kinds of poverty are in no way comparable to each other...


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7879392 - 01/14/08 05:29 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

I'm not afraid of terrorism.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7879478 - 01/14/08 05:47 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Nor should you be since you are well taken care of by very competent men. Sleep well, my little Penguin.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7879717 - 01/14/08 06:35 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Are those the same men that knew about Katrina three days in advance and still took four days to deliver water to New Orleans and yet still further, gave the authorization to have Blackwater agents running security detail for the "richer" New Orleans inhabitants?

:lol:


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7880623 - 01/14/08 09:52 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

So what about the people who had four days to get the fuck out?


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7882797 - 01/15/08 11:14 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I think you know damn well the reasons for a lot of people not getting the fuck out...


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7883139 - 01/15/08 12:14 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Uh, no?

I really can't think of any good one, unless you are crippled.

Is "I didn't have a car" really an acceptable reason to not flee a natural disaster?

If a wild-fire is bearing down on you in California, are you going to sit on your front porch and wait for a ride?


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7883309 - 01/15/08 12:47 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Maybe someday you'll experience the same thing and revalate.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Cubie]
    #7883320 - 01/15/08 12:49 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Maybe someday you'll experience the same thing and revalate.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Cubie]
    #7883358 - 01/15/08 12:58 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

If al Queda managed to detonate a nuke inside the united states, I'd probably sign up to go into afghanistan/Pakistan and fuck some people up. It may sound like "we got what we deserved" to some people, but

a) Remember after Bush won last term that 49% of America still managed to have some common sense. Why kill millions of people who are against the war.

b) Killing millions of innocent people to combat a gov't out of control is cowardly and makes you even worse than what America has become. If you have a problem with America and want to kill some people, attack the military instead of blowing up a bunch of civilians and trying the "America made me do it" tactic.


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7883398 - 01/15/08 01:07 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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If al Queda managed to detonate a nuke inside the united states, I'd probably sign up to go into afghanistan/Pakistan and fuck some people up. It may sound like "we got what we deserved" to some people, but




Even if it was a very tiny nuke that didn't kill anyone?


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Arp]
    #7883408 - 01/15/08 01:10 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

That would be funny... decades of trying to get a nuke and a terrorist accidentally blows up their nuke while driving through no-where'sville in the Midwest


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: BrAiN]
    #7883423 - 01/15/08 01:16 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

If only the terrorists would focus on a biological weapon like a virus. Then perhaps one day my dream of the elimination of 99.99% of the worlds population would be fulfilled. I'm one of the 00.01%, of course :biggrin:


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Re: Bringing back the draft? [Re: Arp]
    #7883447 - 01/15/08 01:22 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

That sounds similar to how Revalations goes.

(Bows to Arp, the chosen one)

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