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MistaUNGA
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To LSA users:
#7869449 - 01/12/08 03:27 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Why do you use LSA? Have you done LSD? Do you prefer LSA over LSD? Might you prefer LSA as a natural alternative?
I know that the effects are different in some ways. I've fried, but will never do it again, for personal reasons. I think Lucy is a beautiful friend, but I can't dance with her again. But I'm considering using LSA (probably extracted) as a possible natural (relatively speaking) substitute.
Thanks!
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Justice_Fish
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: MistaUNGA]
#7869473 - 01/12/08 03:36 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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MistaUNGA said: Why do you use LSA?
It was the first Psychedelic (exept Marijuana) I experienced. I had pretty wild effects, and liked it. Then it made me sick. Overall, it's a great experience for those who can't find LSD.
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MistaUNGA said: Have you done LSD?
Yes. After Morning Glory, and before HBWR.
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MistaUNGA said: Do you prefer LSA over LSD?
It goes: LSD > HBWR > Morning Glories.
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MistaUNGA said: Might you prefer LSA as a natural alternative?
Absolutely.
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MistaUNGA
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Good response, thank you. This is kind of what I expected. I have no trouble getting cid if I want it, I just have no desire for it. I'd rather go the natural alternative.
Thanks again, keep 'em coming!
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TylerxDurden
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: MistaUNGA]
#7869539 - 01/12/08 03:55 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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MistaUNGA said: Why do you use LSA?
Very easy to get a hold of, and quite cheap. The effects are obviously enjoyable too.
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Have you done LSD?
No, I cannot find any at all, although I think I just found a connect.
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Do you prefer LSA over LSD?
N/A
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Might you prefer LSA as a natural alternative?
I don't get the whole artificial/natural debate. I would rather do LSD but it is just too hard for me to get.
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FarFromHere
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LSA + Peppermint oil 
CPW?
I'm not allowed to bump it.
But look up the thread "Organics Vs. Synthetics" by Teotzlcoatl
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Edited by FarFromHere (01/12/08 04:46 PM)
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krypto2000
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Why not mushrooms for a natural alternative? I've only done LSA once, I hardly tripped, just got kinda confused and had bad stomach cramps.
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FarFromHere
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Why not both?
It's good to have all of them in your shamanic toolbox.
All Entheogens work...
It's a matter of getting them to work right.
It might take years to figure out the proper method of cultivation, harvest, preperation and usage...
But most if not all reputed ethnobotanicals "work".
I think the best way to get an experience from most plants is to grow them and study them.
It takes time, but most all plant drugs are worthwhile, if you know what your doing.
Think about people who "call bullshit" on Salvia...Or Amanita muscaria...
These things work, you've just got to do them right.
Just because you didn't have an experience, doesn't mean whatever you took sucks...
It means you need to do some more research or find a better vendor with fresher wares!
Age is a huge factor in potency.
Freshly dried salvia will fuuuuck you up, ever just a leaf or two.
Same thing with Kratom.
Yet people smoke bowls and bowls of the year old stuff some vendors send them swearing up and down that- "salvia is bullshit".
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Edited by FarFromHere (01/14/08 10:31 PM)
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BoulderBoomer
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heheh. that was a big copy and paste.
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honestly it goes like this LSD=crystal LSA> then all the way down there
down here HBWR=rivea >and morning glory tho i have had an alcohol extra of morning glory that was beastly and like crystal LSA but with nausea and nasty taste.
if your going to ever say anything about how good or bad LSA is and tyou havent had crystal then you dont really know. its really clean feeling and amazing when crystal its easy to extract and it last long hits quick little is needed to take and it melts in your mouth.
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Sophistic Radiance
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I want to do an extraction someday, either with peppermint oil or without. My only experience with LSA is when I just chewed up and swallowed seven HBWR seeds. I would put the seeds in my mouth, take a mouthful of cranberry juice, then chew them up, and I wouldn't even be able to taste them. I also took some dramamine before and during the trip and smoked some pot, and I gotta say, it was pretty good. It was like an overwhelmingly drowsy LSD trip without the muscle tenseness. It definitely felt more "natural" than acid usually does, but that might just be because I knew it was naturally grown seeds and not a chemical synthesized in a lab somewhere. I definitely recommend it, and I mean to do it again soon (I've got plenty of seeds left, anybody know how long they maintain their potency?)
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marz13
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LSA !! Hey what does the peppermint oil do?
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FarFromHere
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: marz13]
#7886869 - 01/16/08 12:28 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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It was like an overwhelmingly drowsy LSD trip
I bet the dramamine had something to do with that.
I take it as a sleep aid.
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Hey what does the peppermint oil do
It's supposed to convert it to LSH or something like that....I'm not really sure.
Well Looky Here...
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To make it even better add peppermint oil and mix for 1 hour.. Its this chemical switch(acetalhyde + LSA = LSH) which removes the real bodyload from LSA. Grain alcohol is needed to complete this conversion.
I'm interested in making an organic LSA/LSH alcohol and cold water infusion using only fresh Ololuiqui seeds....
1) Grind the seeds.
2) Place the seeds in a mixture of pure grain drinkable alcohol and peppermint oil. Allow it to sit for 24 hours.
3) Strain the seeds and place them in a mixture of cold water and peppermint oil. Allow it to sit for 24 hours.
4)Mix the alcohol and water extractions. Strain seed material and discard.
5)Heat the infusion slightly, just enough to boil off the alcohol.
I think that would make for one hell of a trip, and it's 100% organic.
Edited by FarFromHere (01/16/08 12:51 AM)
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Sra_sephiroth0
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how bout Acid base extraction which works wonders and gets you some crystals. and second LSA is a seditive and makes some people fall into a deep trance and sleep walk/trip its intense.
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LSA is looovely. For those who say that it is nothing like LSD needs to go back and recheck their dosage and prep method. It truly is a great alternative, if done properly. It is definitely a sacrament worthy of respect. Also, Im very interested in this peppermint oil method, does this really work? Has anyone had any experience with this personally?
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: satyr]
#7887317 - 01/16/08 05:55 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Why do you use LSA?
Because acid isn't always available. And I love it.
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Have you done LSD?
Several times
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Do you prefer LSA over LSD?
No.
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Might you prefer LSA as a natural alternative?
It's great alternative for LSD.
I've only done morning glories.
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What's the best method to get crystal LSH/LSA?
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04281969
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Yea, what are the best acids and bases for LSA?
I was thinking a 24 hour-long acidic (pH 4) water extraction from the ground seed, filter, then add a basic non-polar to the water (bring it all to pH 10), separate, and add fresh acidic water to the non-polar, separate, and evaporate the water.
Would lye, citric acid, and xylol work for this? The lye shouldn't be too rough on the LSA, I hope.
Edited by 04281969 (01/16/08 08:50 AM)
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SunshineSuperman
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: MistaUNGA]
#7887590 - 01/16/08 08:59 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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MistaUNGA said: Why do you use LSA?
When you eat 20 grams of ground morning glory seeds you will know. My trips are usually very personal and insighting on LSA.
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MistaUNGA said: Have you done LSD?
Quite a few times, drug of choice.
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MistaUNGA said: Do you prefer LSA over LSD?
Not really, LSD is much more intense, and I tend to always overdo it.
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MistaUNGA said: Might you prefer LSA as a natural alternative?
When Lucy isn't around, yes. But at a festival, nothing beats a few drops of liquid on your eye.
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: 04281969]
#7887908 - 01/16/08 11:23 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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04281969 said: Yea, what are the best acids and bases for LSA?
I was thinking a 24 hour-long acidic (pH 4) water extraction from the ground seed, filter, then add a basic non-polar to the water (bring it all to pH 10), separate, and add fresh acidic water to the non-polar, separate, and evaporate the water.
Would lye, citric acid, and xylol work for this? The lye shouldn't be too rough on the LSA, I hope.
well i used a muratic acid at ph 2 for a day or so then naptha. after the naptha wash your stuff should look like lemonade or cider and be kinda tansperant but with color, then add lye and make ph 10 or 11 and then naptha pull and evap or im sure freeze way works and you will get some lovely clean brown crystals if you dont have a scale that can weight that low theres one issuse dont OD. i would say put a small pile of crystal on your pinky finger nail as a dose no more then that.ok
honestly i have found xylol to be dirty for any extraction and to smell alot more too. but lsa is pretty much exactly like extracting dmt but with differnt plant source amd like you noted ph 10-11 dmt they say about 12.
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So how about straight to base? Would that work you think?
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Sra_sephiroth0
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um well LSA seeds contain alot of shit in em that make you feel sick that arnt LSA so i think the defatt is important to clean that out and it would drastically effect the weight of your crystals having all those impurities making it harder to dose. a dose is like 1.5mg or something. it doesnt taste bad too. i used a combo of morning glory,rivea, and HBWR. and yeah like i said after the defatt you will notice a huge change in the color of your acidic liquid it will go from cloudy brown to a lemonade or cider color thats transparent
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04281969
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I'm afraid of having the alkaloids in a strong base for too long, therefore wouldn't try the straight to base method.
So, Sra_sephiroth0, you end with the "naphtha pull", and let that evaporate? Do you follow through with making the salts with diluted hydrochloric (and just passed over that step)?
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: 04281969]
#7888088 - 01/16/08 12:40 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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oh yeah you gota evap. i just straight evap and go with that in base form. months later i found the vial i kept it in and wash it out with water and drank the water and got a slight trip so i think this stuff is pretty stable in that form as well
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Well, here's an idea...
Do a naptha defat on the dry seeds, then put the seeds in a room temperature lye solution. Shake up the jar, then add more naptha pretty much immediately to pull out the LSA, so it wouldn't spend much more time in the lye solution than it would regularly.
Would that work, or is there something unique about mimosa in that it requires no acid for the extraction?
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In that case, why even mess with water? Just do a naphtha wash, followed by a basic naphtha extraction.
I think I'll try Sra_sephiroth0's idea, but finish with making citrate salts.
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: 04281969]
#7888515 - 01/16/08 02:55 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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What? You would still need lye water to basify it so that the LSA would dissolve in the naptha.
Otherwise, your basic naptha extraction would just be another naptha wash.
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No. When it is basic, the alkaloids will transfer to your non-polar. The reason it doesn't wash away the first time is the pH is not basic.(Basify the 2nd non-polar is what I'm suggesting.)
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: 04281969]
#7888669 - 01/16/08 03:29 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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04281969 said: ...followed by a basic naphtha extraction.
Sorry.
But yeah, sounds too complicated. Wouldn't the base get in the stuff?
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04281969 said: Yea, what are the best acids and bases for LSA?
I was thinking a 24 hour-long acidic (pH 4) water extraction from the ground seed, filter, then add a basic non-polar to the water (bring it all to pH 10), separate, and add fresh acidic water to the non-polar, separate, and evaporate the water.
Would lye, citric acid, and xylol work for this? The lye shouldn't be too rough on the LSA, I hope.
well i used a muratic acid at ph 2 for a day or so then naptha. after the naptha wash your stuff should look like lemonade or cider and be kinda tansperant but with color, then add lye and make ph 10 or 11 and then naptha pull and evap or im sure freeze way works and you will get some lovely clean brown crystals if you dont have a scale that can weight that low theres one issuse dont OD. i would say put a small pile of crystal on your pinky finger nail as a dose no more then that.ok
honestly i have found xylol to be dirty for any extraction and to smell alot more too. but lsa is pretty much exactly like extracting dmt but with differnt plant source amd like you noted ph 10-11 dmt they say about 12.
Don't OD? I thought an extraction is supposed to clear you of most of the danger? If you are eating mostly pure LSA crystals why would you have to worry? Keeping in mind you might not want to eat 5 grams of LSA crystal like you might not want to eat 2 grams of LSD crystal...
To answer the question though I've eaten HBWR with excellent results but I can't really compare since I've never experienced LSD. The first time I ate them I felt reborn as a human being
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: fazdazzle]
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well the reason no defat in mimosa is cause it doesnt have the fats and stuff or unwanted stuff. im pretty sure the seeds will. to be safe you can just extract 4 doses worth and make 4 piles of crystal.
i used very little seeds 4 or 5 MG packets ,10 rivea, and 5 hbwr split by to people and it was fantastic.
im certain the defat is imporatnt tho cause as i said when you have the acid solution then you defatt it, it changes color drastically.
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Yea, I guess you'd end up with LSA and lye. Not a good idea. I've always finished by making salts, so none of it is what I would actually do. Like I said, I'd go with the other way and end with citrate salts.
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: fazdazzle]
#7888868 - 01/16/08 04:09 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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An extraction won't clear you of any dangers, just the impurities. It's easier to overdose when it comes in a small amount of powder.
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: 04281969]
#7890577 - 01/16/08 09:54 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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its wont really be powder its kinda like a waxy crystal
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Re: To LSA users: *DELETED* [Re: MistaUNGA]
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