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Sra_sephiroth0
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um well LSA seeds contain alot of shit in em that make you feel sick that arnt LSA so i think the defatt is important to clean that out and it would drastically effect the weight of your crystals having all those impurities making it harder to dose. a dose is like 1.5mg or something. it doesnt taste bad too. i used a combo of morning glory,rivea, and HBWR. and yeah like i said after the defatt you will notice a huge change in the color of your acidic liquid it will go from cloudy brown to a lemonade or cider color thats transparent
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04281969
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I'm afraid of having the alkaloids in a strong base for too long, therefore wouldn't try the straight to base method.
So, Sra_sephiroth0, you end with the "naphtha pull", and let that evaporate? Do you follow through with making the salts with diluted hydrochloric (and just passed over that step)?
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: 04281969]
#7888088 - 01/16/08 12:40 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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oh yeah you gota evap. i just straight evap and go with that in base form. months later i found the vial i kept it in and wash it out with water and drank the water and got a slight trip so i think this stuff is pretty stable in that form as well
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ReoSpeedwagon153


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Well, here's an idea...
Do a naptha defat on the dry seeds, then put the seeds in a room temperature lye solution. Shake up the jar, then add more naptha pretty much immediately to pull out the LSA, so it wouldn't spend much more time in the lye solution than it would regularly.
Would that work, or is there something unique about mimosa in that it requires no acid for the extraction?
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04281969
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In that case, why even mess with water? Just do a naphtha wash, followed by a basic naphtha extraction.
I think I'll try Sra_sephiroth0's idea, but finish with making citrate salts.
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ReoSpeedwagon153


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Re: To LSA users: [Re: 04281969]
#7888515 - 01/16/08 02:55 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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What? You would still need lye water to basify it so that the LSA would dissolve in the naptha.
Otherwise, your basic naptha extraction would just be another naptha wash.
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04281969
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No. When it is basic, the alkaloids will transfer to your non-polar. The reason it doesn't wash away the first time is the pH is not basic.(Basify the 2nd non-polar is what I'm suggesting.)
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: 04281969]
#7888669 - 01/16/08 03:29 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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04281969 said: ...followed by a basic naphtha extraction.
Sorry.
But yeah, sounds too complicated. Wouldn't the base get in the stuff?
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fazdazzle
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04281969 said: Yea, what are the best acids and bases for LSA?
I was thinking a 24 hour-long acidic (pH 4) water extraction from the ground seed, filter, then add a basic non-polar to the water (bring it all to pH 10), separate, and add fresh acidic water to the non-polar, separate, and evaporate the water.
Would lye, citric acid, and xylol work for this? The lye shouldn't be too rough on the LSA, I hope.
well i used a muratic acid at ph 2 for a day or so then naptha. after the naptha wash your stuff should look like lemonade or cider and be kinda tansperant but with color, then add lye and make ph 10 or 11 and then naptha pull and evap or im sure freeze way works and you will get some lovely clean brown crystals if you dont have a scale that can weight that low theres one issuse dont OD. i would say put a small pile of crystal on your pinky finger nail as a dose no more then that.ok
honestly i have found xylol to be dirty for any extraction and to smell alot more too. but lsa is pretty much exactly like extracting dmt but with differnt plant source amd like you noted ph 10-11 dmt they say about 12.
Don't OD? I thought an extraction is supposed to clear you of most of the danger? If you are eating mostly pure LSA crystals why would you have to worry? Keeping in mind you might not want to eat 5 grams of LSA crystal like you might not want to eat 2 grams of LSD crystal...
To answer the question though I've eaten HBWR with excellent results but I can't really compare since I've never experienced LSD. The first time I ate them I felt reborn as a human being
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: fazdazzle]
#7888831 - 01/16/08 04:01 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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well the reason no defat in mimosa is cause it doesnt have the fats and stuff or unwanted stuff. im pretty sure the seeds will. to be safe you can just extract 4 doses worth and make 4 piles of crystal.
i used very little seeds 4 or 5 MG packets ,10 rivea, and 5 hbwr split by to people and it was fantastic.
im certain the defat is imporatnt tho cause as i said when you have the acid solution then you defatt it, it changes color drastically.
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04281969
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Yea, I guess you'd end up with LSA and lye. Not a good idea. I've always finished by making salts, so none of it is what I would actually do. Like I said, I'd go with the other way and end with citrate salts.
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: fazdazzle]
#7888868 - 01/16/08 04:09 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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An extraction won't clear you of any dangers, just the impurities. It's easier to overdose when it comes in a small amount of powder.
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Sra_sephiroth0
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Re: To LSA users: [Re: 04281969]
#7890577 - 01/16/08 09:54 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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its wont really be powder its kinda like a waxy crystal
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Re: To LSA users: *DELETED* [Re: MistaUNGA]
#16837755 - 09/12/12 08:42 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: To LSA users: *DELETED* [Re: hobbitacid]
#16837850 - 09/12/12 09:04 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: To LSA users: *DELETED* [Re: hobbitacid]
#16837915 - 09/12/12 09:17 PM (11 years, 4 months ago) |
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