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    #7869162 - 01/12/08 01:55 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

when i make a habit of smoking weed, i've noticed that i become very anti-social. i rarely smoke with others, go straight home from work, smoke weed and stay in all day long. i also eat very unhealthy and lose almost all motivation to exercise. i dont plan things out in my life and end up with no goals/achievements.

can anyone relate?

also, im never going to go back to habitual marijuana use. everytime i jog(something i just started that i haven't done in years) i look back and realize how marijuana has misguided me. making me think that everything was okay and going fine when really i was only going to feel like i wasted time.

could this have something to do with blood rushing to the brain and "waking it up" in some way?


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7869211 - 01/12/08 02:07 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

ya that's why i quit

also it was getting hard to breathe and i was making bad decisions.. just in life.

i ran my ass off for months after i quit.. like every tiem i wanted to smoke i would go running and it was way more satisfying than smoking.

the whole blood rush to the head thing could be plausible, but it's more likely to do with an adrenaline rush that you get from running :laugh:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7869217 - 01/12/08 02:09 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

did things get better after you quit? did you make new friends and start going somewhere in life?

i look back to when i didn't smoke weed and i realize that i had friends that always wanted to hang out, and i had goals, like going to college and whatnot.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7869238 - 01/12/08 02:17 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I smoke every day, but I'm in the best shape i ever have been. The problem is not the herb, but your own motivation. You're the person not wanting to do anything or eat well, the weed may make you a bit more lazy, but in the end its your decision not to exercise. I really enjoy going to the gym and then go home smoke a bowl and eating a good meal.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Cannashroom]
    #7869247 - 01/12/08 02:20 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

FUCK YES I DID.

best decision i made in my life looking back..

not everyone is suited to smoke marijuana.  i'm not one of those people.

the stoners are probably going to talk you out of it but i can tell you it's a good decision..

i just didn't like dealing with smokers and dealers most of them are shady/sketchy people and i just dont interact with people like that. i'm usually very straightforward.

and cannashroom.. you might feel like you're in the best shape of your life, but your lungs probably aren't if you 'smoke everyday' :tongue:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Cannashroom]
    #7869255 - 01/12/08 02:26 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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The problem is not the herb, but your own motivation.




you dont know that though. marijuana has different effects on different people. sure, it was my decision not to do anything, but i know that the weed i smoked made me lean towards that decision. i can tell that when i dont smoke weed, im completely different.

i didn't make this thread to debate. i just wanted to see if anyone could relate.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7869266 - 01/12/08 02:29 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

ya dude i mean if you are thinking if that's what you should do... make a decision and stick to it ya know.

cutting back couldn't hurt but for me i had to quit altogether and just do my own thing for a while.

i lost a few smoking buddies.. but looking back it was a better decision for me..

it's been like three years and i still to this day feel like smoking some times, but if i do ever smoke its only one day a year 4/20 :P

it's never as good as people blow it up to be, though.

alcohol and shrooms are way better in my opinion anyways.. much more social :laugh:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7869270 - 01/12/08 02:31 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

It's called amotivational syndrome.

I haven't smoked in years and whenever I think long enough about bud, I can feel a desire to smoke it again even though I have no business with it anymore; ever.

It really is quite addictive.  Do you remember those potheads back in highschool?  All they ever talked about was pot.  Their jokes were pot based.  They made frequent references to pot.  Everything to them would have made a sweet bong.  They believed that the solution to everything was pot.  They didn't smoke it, THEY WERE THE FUCKING POT!:grin:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Grylls]
    #7869304 - 01/12/08 02:41 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

As I deal with the same problem you describe it only has to be that way if you let it. I use to run track, box, and work out all the time. It boils down to if you want to smoke bud do so, but don't make that your life. Try smoking in the evenings after you get home hangin out with friends exercising or w/e. That's what iv'e been doing the last year or so and it helps out. I also have alot of friends that smoke so that gets me out of the house and doing something.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: DontPlay]
    #7869424 - 01/12/08 03:21 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

You can change yourself you know, and after awhile it becomes routine. Get off your lazy ass and clean, or do something productive. I smoke everyday and it doesn't make me anti-social, although it does make me not really care about my relationships. The only thing I don't like about marijuana is that I have a hard time dealing with girls while I'm high, I get like super anxious and stuff if I don't know them too well.. i'm just an anxious person anyway though. What's so important about socializing with people anyway? The only friends I care about are my friends I smoke with.. nobody I know that doesn't smoke has a relationship like mine with their friends.

Don't blame your problems on weed, it gives it a bad repuation. Any problems that you might have are only amplified by marijuana, it never causes new problems. If you're lazy when you smoke, then I guarantee you were lazy before you even started smoking. I will never stop smoking weed, for anybody or anything.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7869460 - 01/12/08 03:31 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Some people can be blazed all day and still get a ton of shit done, some people are better off, waiting till they accomplish everything they need to do and then blaze

I think the whole amotivational syndrome thing is exaggerated but there is some truth to it, especially in younger people.

to the op- I'd say just find your groove man, nobody else can tell you what's best for you. If you find you're not getting enough done, it might be wise to cut back a little until you reach a level of productivity your satisfied with.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7869465 - 01/12/08 03:32 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

do what ya gotta do.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7869534 - 01/12/08 03:53 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I'm sorry but you're a fool. Speak for yourself, weed might make YOU a loser. Not me. How can you tell me I'm oblivious "like every other stoner"..? That honestly makes me sick, I guarantee I have a lot more knowledge and experience with marijuana than you or anyone you know.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7869545 - 01/12/08 03:59 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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Any problems that you might have are only amplified by marijuana, it never causes new problems.




one problem, which i think marijuana causes, is that it tends to make habitual users such as yourself delusional. at least alcoholics or tobacco addicts can acknowledge that these substances occasionally cause new problems. but weed never causes new problems? how can you think that? damage to the respiratory system and impaired lung function aren't new problems? it's actions on the hippocampus which interfere with the formation of memories isn't a new problem? habitual marijuana use carries along with it a wide range of potential NEW problems.

the fact that you claim it never causes new problems for anyone just shows how much marijuana has skewed your perception. it did this same thing to me. it took me years to realize how bad habitual marijuana use truly is for the mind, body and spirit.

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I will never stop smoking weed, for anybody or anything.




spoken like a true addict.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7869551 - 01/12/08 04:02 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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I guarantee I have a lot more knowledge and experience with marijuana than you or anyone you know.




glad you know what you're talking about. i personally have smoked my fair share. and i have quit and i have seen it from the other side. i can only assume that you haven't quit and seen it from the other side (from a nonsmoker's point of view) so i would say that i have more knowledge about the situation considering i can analyze both sides of the argument. i've been where you've been. i may not have as much 'experience' since i only smoked for a year or so.. but it was a lot of smoking in that time period.. up to five or six blunts a day with my buddies.. no exaggeration.

i'm not knocking general marijuana use. i dont have a problem with marijuana. i honestly wish it was legal so you could do what you do and not have to go to jail if you get caught doing it.. honestly.

i just cant see anyone who smokes marijuana all the time like a daily thing being as successful as they could be.. or living up to their potential i guess is a better way to put that. same thing with alcohol or any drug for that matter. it's just that marijuana users seem to have a false certainty that it is harmless and doesn't affect them like other drugs because it is 'not addicting'

that's my argument.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7869556 - 01/12/08 04:04 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

i get like that, but i get off my ass and do shit when i have to i guess.

i still go out to chill and shit. go to work.

you just have to control it and not the other way around. its easy:bigblunt:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7869557 - 01/12/08 04:04 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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I'm sorry but you're a fool. Speak for yourself, weed might make YOU a loser. Not me. How can you tell me I'm oblivious "like every other stoner"..? That honestly makes me sick, I guarantee I have a lot more knowledge and experience with marijuana than you or anyone you know.




he can tell simply by the way you talk about marijuana, like for example, as i illustrated in my prior post, your claim that it never causes new problems.

this view is quite far off from reality, where habitual marijuana use can cause a variety of new problems.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7869585 - 01/12/08 04:11 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

You don't know me at all, so stop pretending like you do. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Damage to the respiratory system? I'm not even going to waste my time on that. Okay, it might cause very mild psychosis with some people. It slightly affects your memory, but not as much as anybody thinks. Everybody who smokes blames their memory problems on weed, but my friend who hasn't smoked in 8 months has just as many if not more memory problems as I do. What else does it do? Enlighten me.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7869591 - 01/12/08 04:12 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

read my post.


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    #7869620 - 01/12/08 04:18 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

You don't think I've ever quit? For fuck's sake, chill with the assumptions and pothead stereotypes. I'm not claiming weed doesn't have it's downside, it's just not as bad as 99% of people think. When you start to smoke you realize it's not as bad as people have told you your whole life.. You're confusing this with "smokers having a false certainty that it's harmless". I know it can change some people, but only if you let it. It made me a BETTER person. So just because you're a loser when you smoke, doesn't mean everybody is.


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I will never stop smoking weed, for anybody or anything.




spoken like a true addict.




"A true addict"? Haha.. :whatever:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7869659 - 01/12/08 04:25 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

alright well congratulations bro good vibes your way then. if that's how you feel, that's how you feel ya know. i can respect that.

plus i'm tired of arguing i gotta get back to the football game..


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7869676 - 01/12/08 04:29 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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You don't know me at all, so stop pretending like you do. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Damage to the respiratory system? I'm not even going to waste my time on that.




once again, if you don't think that smoking marijuana damages the respiratory system it serves as more evidence of it's tendency to cause its users to become delusional about the affects of the drug.

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Okay, it might cause very mild psychosis with some people. It slightly affects your memory, but not as much as anybody thinks. Everybody who smokes blames their memory problems on weed, but my friend who hasn't smoked in 8 months has just as many if not more memory problems as I do. What else does it do? Enlighten me.




so if you admit that it slightly affects memory, that's a NEW problem and you've already gone back and contradicted your prior statement that it never causes any new problems. like i said, the truth is that marijuana has the potential to cause a variety of new problems. and this varies very much person and by person and by how much and how often they use it. like the other people in this thread, i am not trying to say marijuana should be illegal. i am just giving my opinion that habitual use can potentially cause problems. also, couldn't having your existing problems amplified technically be considered a new problem?

i mean if you give amphetamines to an insomniac and he complains he can't sleep and you say "well don't blame the amphetamines, i remember you having trouble sleeping even before you started doing speed. don't ever blame any of your problems on speed." that is just stupid.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7869707 - 01/12/08 04:35 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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You don't think I've ever quit? For fuck's sake, chill with the assumptions and pothead stereotypes.




what are you talking about? you are the one who said you would never quit, not us.


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I'm not claiming weed doesn't have it's downside, it's just not as bad as 99% of people think. When you start to smoke you realize it's not as bad as people have told you your whole life..




my whole life people told me weed was harmless, non addictive and that it should be legalized, even non smokers told me this. when i started to smoke i realized it was much worse than what people had told me.

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You're confusing this with "smokers having a false certainty that it's harmless". I know it can change some people, but only if you let it. It made me a BETTER person. So just because you're a loser when you smoke, doesn't mean everybody is.




i too once thought that marijuana made me a better person. that is what is so dangerous about marijuana. unlike other drugs, they don't trick you into thinking they are good for you. now i'm not saying marijuana hasn't made you a better person. marijuana is a psychedelic and as such can bring about higher states of consciousness which can indeed bring you to certain realizations which make you a better person.

but knowing precisely when it's beginning to hinder you rather than advance you is very tricky and this is where many people run into trouble. now i'm not saying you're one of them, i'm simply challenging your rash statements that mariijuana never causes any new problems for anyone.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7870645 - 01/12/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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Caribou_Lou said: I know it can change some people, but only if you let it. It made me a BETTER person. So just because you're a loser when you smoke, doesn't mean everybody is.




yeeeaa:thumbup:
smoking bud has made me a waay better person
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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: xpl0de]
    #7870782 - 01/12/08 08:30 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

you know, i get the same thing. but i love it. it's all about regulating your own life. i smoke weed every night but i make sure i get my shit done when i'm not high.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7871233 - 01/12/08 10:13 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

weed is sick, but ive learned that different types of weed get you different highs. not like the difference between say...kush and sour diesel but like weed from the US and weed from jamaica. weed is the US just kinda makes you sleepy and want to just chill out, jamaican weed makes me wanna get out and do something like a walk in the woods and whatnot or maybe start a revolution... i dunno just a thought


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    #7871860 - 01/13/08 12:37 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

i haven't smoked weed from different continents but once you smoke a ton of weed it kind of all becomes the same, no matter where it's from. just like once you've taken a ton of benzodiazepines, they all become the same regardless of how different they are to new users.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: skiihigh]
    #7871910 - 01/13/08 12:50 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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weed is sick, but ive learned that different types of weed get you different highs. not like the difference between say...kush and sour diesel but like weed from the US and weed from jamaica. weed is the US just kinda makes you sleepy and want to just chill out, jamaican weed makes me wanna get out and do something like a walk in the woods and whatnot or maybe start a revolution... i dunno just a thought




that's because most strains in the US are indica (couch lock) and most in jamacia are sativa, apparently.


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    #7871994 - 01/13/08 01:06 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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i haven't smoked weed from different continents but once you smoke a ton of weed it kind of all becomes the same, no matter where it's from. just like once you've taken a ton of benzodiazepines, they all become the same regardless of how different they are to new users.




oh believe me i have smoked my fair share of weed. word then im definatly a sativa fan, but i like both but one is just more inspiring


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7872017 - 01/13/08 01:13 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I smoke once or twice a week by myself, its therapy for my psyche. Fears come to the forefront from my subconscious and I can then deal with them.

I used to smoke everyday with so called friends and it sucked, I felt so lazy, unproductive and sleepy. I'm glad I took some steps and straightened myself out.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7872021 - 01/13/08 01:14 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Marijuana is not harmful to the respiratory system. THC is toxic in some way to old weak lung cells. When you smoke dro it burns more because there is more THC killing old lung cells. These old lung cells are what become cancerous, this is how marijuana prevents lung cancer. Also marijuana is a bronchial dilater, unlike tobacco which is a bronchial constrictor. By the vessels being dilated they can clean the lungs of tar much faster, preventing damage being done to the lungs. But with ciggarettes, they are greatly constricted, so tar sits in the lungs for longs periods of time.

Also since Marijuana dilates the bronchial vessels you can actually breathe better after recently smoking, and then the bronchials will return to normal size and you can breathe normal again. but with Tobacco the bronchial's will stay constricted for long periods of time depending on how much you smoke, making it always slightly harder to breathe. so basically I'm saying, marijuana doesn't make it harder to be athletic. That's all in your head.

*EDIT: My source for all of this was the largest study of it's kind to determine if cannabis causes lung cancer. Professor Tashkin (I think) is the one who was head of the study. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7872105 - 01/13/08 01:35 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

cancer is the least of my worriess. it is the studies which show a link between cannabis smoking and lung function which reveal the truth.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7872119 - 01/13/08 01:40 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

That was included in the study I believe...

*EDIT: In fact I explained why marijuana doesn't decrease lung function, read the second paragraph.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7872141 - 01/13/08 01:50 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

i've read many studies which show that it does impair lung function.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7872155 - 01/13/08 01:56 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Dr. Tashkin's is one of the most recent, it IS the largest, and many say is the most reliable source of valid information. you may have read Dr. Tashkin's previous study, which the government used as it's source to justify saying that marijuana causes cancer, and brain damage.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7872203 - 01/13/08 02:26 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

This is strange to me...

I've been smoking for 4 years and ever since then I've made tons of friends that share the common interest

Even back in high school I started to get better grades because I knew I could come home and reward myself with relief of that day's stress

I think it may just be because I don't treat it like a drug, It's more of an enlightened state of mind to me than some crappy intoxicant.

It may just be my "hippy" state of mind of peace and sharing though..


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: SunshineSuperman]
    #7872213 - 01/13/08 02:34 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

i for one did not have freinds or goals before pot :wink:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7872730 - 01/13/08 09:38 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Interesting discussion.

I've been smoking weed everyday for a couple of years now. Recently I've been thinking about decreasing my consumption. I sometimes feel that I am not accomplishing anything, losing my time being high and all that jazz. On the other hand, why should I complain? I recently bought a house, I have a rewarding enough position at the government, I recently recorded an album, I have my own little home studio where I can do my things, I have a nice girlfriend and we're thinking about having a baby. That's for the "material" part. I am also in good physical, mental and emotional health, I help others around me, I make them laugh, they make me laugh, I enjoy my time with friends etc...

So what I figured is this: pot makes me rethink my life over and over. again. Am I satisfied with what I am, what I got? And sometimes I realize that no, I am not. So I keep working on the grey areas and make my way. The weed is an ally. It shows you what you can improve, but also what you have achieved. Does a joint a day affects how I take decisions, how I orient my life? Maybe. Maybe I take my time to make decisions, too much time perhaps. But at least those decisions are always justified and carefully thought over.

Did I decide to reduce my consumption? Yes, I did. Why? Not because I believe that it makes me antisocial or unmotivated (so does TV by the way. 4 hours of TV a day for the average american!). Not because I think it affects my health in a dramatic way (nutrition and exercise are the keys for health, simple as that). The reason why I chose to reduce my consumption is simply because I want to take more time doing exercise and reading, and less asking myself tons of questions. At some point in my life, I had much questioning to do about myself and the world. Right now, I guess, with the help of shrooms, too, I am pretty comfortable with my life situation.

Am I going to continue smoking weed? Of course! My psyche needs constant re-examination, I will still have important decisions to make, and pot helps. At least for myself.

Anyway. Enough.

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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Babylon2012]
    #7872753 - 01/13/08 09:45 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Interesting discussion.

I've been smoking weed everyday for a couple of years now. Recently I've been thinking about decreasing my consumption. I sometimes feel that I am not accomplishing anything, losing my time being high and all that jazz. On the other hand, why should I complain? I recently bought a house, I have a rewarding enough position at the government, I recently recorded an album, I have my own little home studio where I can do my things, I have a nice girlfriend and we're thinking about having a baby. That's for the "material" part. I am also in good physical, mental and emotional health, I help others around me, I make them laugh, they make me laugh, I enjoy my time with friends etc...

So what I figured is this: pot makes me rethink my life over and over. again. Am I satisfied with what I am, what I got? And sometimes I realize that no, I am not. So I keep working on the grey areas and make my way. The weed is an ally. It shows you what you can improve, but also what you have achieved. Does a joint a day affects how I take decisions, how I orient my life? Maybe. Maybe I take my time to make decisions, too much time perhaps. But at least those decisions are always justified and carefully thought over.

Did I decide to reduce my consumption? Yes, I did. Why? Not because I believe that it makes me antisocial or unmotivated (so does TV by the way. 4 hours of TV a day for the average american!). Not because I think it affects my health in a dramatic way (nutrition and exercise are the keys for health, simple as that). The reason why I chose to reduce my consumption is simply because I want to take more time doing exercise and reading, and less asking myself tons of questions. At some point in my life, I had much questioning to do about myself and the world. Right now, I guess, with the help of shrooms, too, I am pretty comfortable with my life situation.

Am I going to continue smoking weed? Of course! My psyche needs constant re-examination, I will still have important decisions to make, and pot helps. At least for myself.

Anyway. Enough.

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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7872908 - 01/13/08 10:55 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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i've read many studies which show that it does impair lung function.




You're wrong. :thumbdown: You're so wrong that I don't even feel like arguing about it.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7872921 - 01/13/08 11:00 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Dr. Tashkin's is one of the most recent, it IS the largest, and many say is the most reliable source of valid information. you may have read Dr. Tashkin's previous study, which the government used as it's source to justify saying that marijuana causes cancer, and brain damage.




He put monkeys into an enclosed box and exposed them to 5 times the amount of smoke that the average pothead inhales in a LIFETIME. They had no oxygen, and basically suffocated. Then he claims marijuana causes cancer and brain damage, when in reality it was because they couldn't breathe.. This was the single experiment that started so many bullshit myths. Later he was fired and he even said himself that it was a bullshit experiment.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7873279 - 01/13/08 12:54 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Dr. Tashkin's is one of the most recent, it IS the largest, and many say is the most reliable source of valid information. you may have read Dr. Tashkin's previous study, which the government used as it's source to justify saying that marijuana causes cancer, and brain damage.




no, i never said that marijuana caused cancer.

inhaling cannabis smoke still causes pathological changes to respiratory system.

you people are confusing cancer with damage. you can damage your body in all sorts of ways without necessarily causing cancer.

you're using a study which shows no relationship between marijuana and lung cancer to say that it doesn't damage the lungs at all and that is not only ridiculous but a logical fallacy.

it would be like if i created a study of people who hit themselves in the head with a hammer every day, found that they didn't get cancer and then concluded that hitting yourself with a hammer was not harmful.

it's very sad to see people so deeply in denial that they cannot admit inhaling large amounts of smoke is harmful to the respiratory system.


here is a study even more recent than the taskin study which indicates that, guess what? habitually smoking marijuana is bad for your lungs. who ever would have guessed?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17666437?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7873297 - 01/13/08 01:02 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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i've read many studies which show that it does impair lung function.




You're wrong. :thumbdown: You're so wrong that I don't even feel like arguing about it. 





i smoked marijuana for years and have personally experienced damaging affects on my lungs. ever notice that it burns when you take a big rip off a bowl and it hurts when you take a huge bong rip? well pain is your body's way of telling you that it's being injured.

and if that still isn't enough to convince you, well if you cut open the corpses of people who smoked a lot of marijuana in their lifetimes , you will find pathological changes in their lungs. this is scientific fact, it's not even up for debate.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7873447 - 01/13/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

It's sad that you can't accept the fact that you're wrong, you have no idea what you're talking about. Marijuana doesn't cause damage to your respiratory system, give it up. Actually marijuana smokers have very healthy pink lungs, thc helps OPEN the alveoli and airways in your lungs.. the reason it hurts when you take a big rip is because THE SMOKE IS HOT, not because it's damaging your lungs. :lol:

I'm in denial? Guess what I actually have done research, I'm not talking out of my ass like you.


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    #7873750 - 01/13/08 03:01 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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It's sad that you can't accept the fact that you're wrong, you have no idea what you're talking about. Marijuana doesn't cause damage to your respiratory system, give it up. Actually marijuana smokers have very healthy pink lungs, thc helps OPEN the alveoli and airways in your lungs.. the reason it hurts when you take a big rip is because THE SMOKE IS HOT, not because it's damaging your lungs. :lol:




do you even know what a bong is? it is a device which COOLS down the smoke.

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I'm in denial? Guess what I actually have done research, I'm not talking out of my ass like you. 




i posted the most recent study of anyone in this thread and you didn't even attempt to refute it. i've read nearly every study ever published about marijuana and the respiratory system. on what do you base the implication that i haven't done research?


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7873826 - 01/13/08 03:21 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

hey hey hey, smoke weed everyday.
Seriously though, habitual use . . . for some people it works, others it doesn't. Some of my friends smoke habitually and thus are completely incapable of doing anything because the way weed effects them is different then it effects habitual users like myself and others that can still focus and manage themselves accordingly. Different strokes for different folks.


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    #7874011 - 01/13/08 03:58 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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You don't know me at all, so stop pretending like you do. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Damage to the respiratory system? I'm not even going to waste my time on that. Okay, it might cause very mild psychosis with some people. It slightly affects your memory, but not as much as anybody thinks. Everybody who smokes blames their memory problems on weed, but my friend who hasn't smoked in 8 months has just as many if not more memory problems as I do. What else does it do? Enlighten me. 



you are stupid
you think putting tar in you lungs wont damage them well then read the above statement and if you have questions on whether or not weed produces this tar buy a new bowl smoke out of it every day for a week look at the resin and apologize for being an r-tard.:thumbup:


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    #7874250 - 01/13/08 04:43 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I'm stupid? Get the fuck out of here. You cough up marijuana tar with mucous, it doesn't stay in your lugs. It's nothing like cigarette tar, thc opens the airways in your lungs. Marijuana smokers have healthy lungs, unless they smoke cigarettes. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, keep trying though.


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i posted the most recent study of anyone in this thread and you didn't even attempt to refute it. i've read nearly every study ever published about marijuana and the respiratory system. on what do you base the implication that i haven't done research?




well for one, you don't know what you're talking about. I'm done wasting my time on you ignorant fools, you can go learn this shit for yourself.

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do you even know what a bong is? it is a device which COOLS down the smoke.






Well at least you're intelligent HAHA. Smoke can still be hot even if it's cooled, that's the only reason why it "hurts". I don't even cough anymore when I smoke. Here's an idea, how about you tell me why it's harmful to the respiratory system and then I'll tell you why you're wrong.


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    #7874321 - 01/13/08 04:56 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Marijuana doesn't make you lose motivation.  However, smoking marijuana can introduce you to a lifestyle in which more traditional 'success' is less highly valued.  Once I started smoking weed, my friends and I never talked about grades or sports anymore, we just talked about weed.  One day I became aware that my grades were in fact slipping and that it was a direct corellation with my smoking.  So, I got my ass in gear and got my grades back up, while still smoking every day.  It's not the drug, its YOU. Take some responsibility.

As for lung damage, I think that if you smoke every day it can certainly cause lung irritation and that can make you cough a lot and slightly reduce lung capacity.  Still, I run every day and smoke weed, and I'm in great shape.  Just recently I ran a 16:57 5k, which is my fastest time ever.

So basically what I'm saying is, marijuana doesn't 'effect' you to lose motivation.  You do.  If you can't do shit and smoke also, that's your fault.  And if you need to stop smoking weed, go ahead and do it.  But don't blame it on the drug, cause it's not the herb's fault.

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    #7874342 - 01/13/08 05:01 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Marijuana doesn't make you lose motivation. However, smoking marijuana can introduce you to a lifestyle in which more traditional 'success' is less highly valued.





Very well put, when you start smoking you realize what is truly important in life and what is not.


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    #7874407 - 01/13/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Well at least you're intelligent HAHA. Smoke can still be hot even if it's cooled, that's the only reason why it "hurts". I don't even cough anymore when I smoke. Here's an idea, how about you tell me why it's harmful to the respiratory system and then I'll tell you why you're wrong.





i already posted a very recent study showing some of the affects that smoking marijuana has on your respiratory system. so why don't you start there? in fact, why haven't you already addressed that study?


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7874456 - 01/13/08 05:23 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

"Just recently I ran a 16:57 5k, which is my fastest time ever."

WOW! Nice job man. You can't argue with results like that folks...

I smoke herb everyday. I love it. I am a functional stoner though. I was actually very socially awkward until I started smoking. I am one of those people that needed it. I was leaning way to far to the other side of life.

I find alcohol is way more detrimental to my life than herb.

And the argument about the lungs, duh. Smoking is not good for your lungs. But, neither is eating fast food. Live life a little.

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    #7874624 - 01/13/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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    #7874708 - 01/13/08 06:19 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

well. ive been smoknig for 5 years. when i was introduced to weed, i thought to myself

HOLY SHIT.

this shit makes everything so much better! so much more fun!

i was 14. i was depressed, as many teenagers get, and that "depression" still lingers with me to this day - and i think at this point, the weed is encouraging it to remain.

i am one of the people that smoke every chance they get - sometimes even before work. i smoke blunts, i love blunts. but i am one of those people who get lazy and unproductive when they smoke.

there is one good reason why i need to quit - to get a very good paying job. i know i could get fake pee, but come on... it's not reliable enough, and i need to cut back or quit anyway.

i need to do something, because more and more and i think i am deeply psychologically addicted to weed.

i dug myself quite a hole, but i will climb my way out of it!

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    #7874759 - 01/13/08 06:29 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I smoke weed and weed only everyday and my lungs are FUCKED. The fact that thc opens your airways doesn't do shit for getting rid of the tar. I don't cough up resin balls, do you? Looking inside any bong will tell you that weed is chock full of tar and shit. I really like smoking weed but theres no reason to deny its side effects. I know I would be better off without it.


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    #7874788 - 01/13/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Smoking is not good for your lungs. But, neither is eating fast food. Live life a little.




if this was a response to me, then just to clarify, im not saying people shouldn't "live a little". that would make me one hell of a hypocrite. the difference is you're at least smart enough to be able to acknowledge that smoking weed every day isn't good for your lungs.

it's when people start posting things like "Marijuana doesn't cause damage to your respiratory system, give it up" i feel like not only is this information misleading and potentially dangerous but it also makes stoners look like delusional idiots or addicts in denial. anyone agree?


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    #7874806 - 01/13/08 06:38 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Marijuana tar doesn't stick to your lungs lol, you cough it up right after you smoke. It's called mucous discharge.


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    #7874819 - 01/13/08 06:41 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Smoking is not good for your lungs. But, neither is eating fast food. Live life a little.




if this was a response to me, then just to clarify, im not saying people shouldn't "live a little". that would make me one hell of a hypocrite. the difference is you're at least smart enough to be able to acknowledge that smoking weed every day isn't good for your lungs.

it's when people start posting things like "Marijuana doesn't cause damage to your respiratory system, give it up" i feel like not only is this information misleading and potentially dangerous but it also makes stoners look like delusional idiots or addicts in denial. anyone agree?




You don't even have an argument fool. I guarantee I know more about pot than you or anyone else who is trying to argue with me. Give me one good reason why it hurts your respiratory system. You're ignorant, I used to think just like you.. until I learned that I was wrong. But unlike you, I can accept it.


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    #7874826 - 01/13/08 06:42 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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I'm stupid? Get the fuck out of here. You cough up marijuana tar with mucous, it doesn't stay in your lugs. It's nothing like cigarette tar, thc opens the airways in your lungs. Marijuana smokers have healthy lungs, unless they smoke cigarettes. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, keep trying though.


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i posted the most recent study of anyone in this thread and you didn't even attempt to refute it. i've read nearly every study ever published about marijuana and the respiratory system. on what do you base the implication that i haven't done research?




well for one, you don't know what you're talking about. I'm done wasting my time on you ignorant fools, you can go learn this shit for yourself.

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do you even know what a bong is? it is a device which COOLS down the smoke.






Well at least you're intelligent HAHA. Smoke can still be hot even if it's cooled, that's the only reason why it "hurts". I don't even cough anymore when I smoke. Here's an idea, how about you tell me why it's harmful to the respiratory system and then I'll tell you why you're wrong.



yes you are stupid like when i hear breathing in fiberglass particles isnt bad for health a bong is used for that yes but it also filters particles by the way when i smoked bud every day all day i had bronchitis about 5 to 6 times a year now that i qiut i only had it one time this year i also could not run or workout worth shit compared to now im not saying its worse then tabbaco but it is not good for you .


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    #7874841 - 01/13/08 06:45 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Haha! You can't even write a halfway decent sentence, and you're calling me stupid? I can't even understand what you said. What does a bong have to do with anything? And how the hell are fiberglass particles relevant to anything?


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    #7874877 - 01/13/08 06:51 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

well what is this english class you dumb fuck lol im not trying to impress anyone with my spelling or grammer ya and if you cant figure out how those to stories relate then you are an idiot.

you are arguing a stupid point any smoke is harmfull when directly breathed into the lungs.


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    #7874974 - 01/13/08 07:09 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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    #7875005 - 01/13/08 07:14 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I'm not going to lie, most of the people posting in this thread have no idea what they are talking about.

Although cannabis is not that bad for you and can help prevent cancer ANY type of smoke can cause irritation in your lungs and throat. Although cannabis smoke may not be as severely damaging as tobacco and other smokables, it still can have negative effects.

I smoke every day, and I am in the best shape of my life. I work out five times a week, currently am ranked number one in the state for my sport, and next year will probably have a free ride to college.

Don't blame your problems on pot. That's what people who suck at life do. My grades went up once I started smoking. I'm more motivated than ever. Stop fucking moping about how the pot is ruining your life and drive, your just a pussy with no self control. If your concerned about smoke just get a vape, or cook.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7875114 - 01/13/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Smoking is not good for your lungs. But, neither is eating fast food. Live life a little.




if this was a response to me, then just to clarify, im not saying people shouldn't "live a little". that would make me one hell of a hypocrite. the difference is you're at least smart enough to be able to acknowledge that smoking weed every day isn't good for your lungs.

it's when people start posting things like "Marijuana doesn't cause damage to your respiratory system, give it up" i feel like not only is this information misleading and potentially dangerous but it also makes stoners look like delusional idiots or addicts in denial. anyone agree?




You don't even have an argument fool. I guarantee I know more about pot than you or anyone else who is trying to argue with me. Give me one good reason why it hurts your respiratory system. You're ignorant, I used to think just like you.. until I learned that I was wrong. But unlike you, I can accept it.




why do you keep asking me to give you a reason when i already posted a link to a very recent study? i gave you a reason, now it's your job to explain why it's wrong like you said you were going to do and then never did.


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    #7875185 - 01/13/08 07:42 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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It really is quite addictive.  Do you remember those potheads back in highschool?  All they ever talked about was pot.  Their jokes were pot based.  They made frequent references to pot.  Everything to them would have made a sweet bong.  They believed that the solution to everything was pot.  They didn't smoke it, THEY WERE THE FUCKING POT!:grin:




That described me perfectly in high-school.

I'm seriously addicted to pot and it's not even funny. I really should quit for the same reasons as the original poster, weed makes me kinda anti-social, gives me slight social anxiety, and makes me a lazy ass. All I do all day is sit around the house and smoke weed, the only physical activity I do is snowboarding. But I can say it hasn't affected my grades at all, I got 4 A's and 2 B's last semester.

I really should quit smoking pot because of the negative affects, but even with the negative effects I sill LOVE weed. I just love being stoned, it's a love-hate relationship. What I really need to do is to just cut back on smoking, stop smoking 24/7 and just smoke like once a day or maybe a couple times a week. :potleaf:


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    #7875439 - 01/13/08 08:14 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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    #7875476 - 01/13/08 08:21 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Not to take sides, cause I'm just interested, but if you are going to say someone is wrong about something, at least back it up with sources. You can't win an argument with anecdotal evidence.


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    #7875518 - 01/13/08 08:28 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

i have a word for everyone  VAPORIZER:crazy2:


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    #7875662 - 01/13/08 08:51 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I would consider myself a habitual smoker...I do experience some negative effects but they are mild. I know of some friends however who are like the poster describes. Everyones different. I'm just glad I don't get that way cause I love pot too much to give it up. Cancer aside smoking anything causes problems such as emphysema however as the above poster mentioned you can always vape or eat your weed to get around this negative effect which I plan to do someday. I think I would still smoke joints once in awhile however because imo there is nothing better than a nice jay.


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    #7875879 - 01/13/08 09:29 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Any problems that you might have are only amplified by marijuana, it never causes new problems.




one problem, which i think marijuana causes, is that it tends to make habitual users such as yourself delusional.




habitual marijuana use did this to me for sure.  it definitely brought on some kind of psychosis.

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Even back in high school I started to get better grades because I knew I could come home and reward myself with relief of that day's stress




everytime i quit and start again i say that ill do this, and i start out doing this, but i end up losing control and smoking all the time.  i know i have self control, but not with weed.  i even had a phase with cocaine and never lost control or even came close.  i just have no control with weed...because it's just to good.  :frown:

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hey hey hey, smoke weed everyday.
Seriously though, habitual use . . . for some people it works, others it doesn't. Some of my friends smoke habitually and thus are completely incapable of doing anything because the way weed effects them is different then it effects habitual users like myself and others that can still focus and manage themselves accordingly. Different strokes for different folks.




this is what i was trying to get at when i made this post.  i wanted to know if anyone could relate with the problems i had with habitual marijuana use.

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Marijuana doesn't cause damage to your respiratory system, give it up.




putting smoke into your lungs isn't good for them.  maybe it doesn't cause permanent damage or even much damage, but are you really going to argue with this?


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: LayYouIn]
    #7875983 - 01/13/08 09:44 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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putting smoke into your lungs isn't good for them. maybe it doesn't cause permanent damage or even much damage, but are you really going to argue with this?




Yes, because I KNOW for a fact that I'm right. If it doesn't cause permanent damage, then what the fuck are you people trying to argue about? Everybody says "putting smoke into your lungs isn't good", well can you tell me why or not? because until then, that's just your opinion. I've seen pictures of a marijuana smoker's lungs, and I know that the tar does NOT stick to your lungs even for a little while. I could show proof that I'm right but I'm not about to find any of it, everything I said has come from many hours of reading.. I'm not just making this shit up. At the end of the day I could give a fuck what you people think about pot, because I know the truth. It's just frustrating to me because most of you arguing with me don't know much about pot marijuana at all, and it's pretty clear to me..


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7876006 - 01/13/08 09:48 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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putting smoke into your lungs isn't good for them. maybe it doesn't cause permanent damage or even much damage, but are you really going to argue with this?




Yes, because I KNOW for a fact that I'm right. If it doesn't cause permanent damage, then what the fuck are you people trying to argue about? Everybody says "putting smoke into your lungs isn't good", well can you tell me why or not? because until then, that's just your opinion. I've seen pictures of a marijuana smoker's lungs, and I know that the tar does NOT stick to your lungs even for a little while. I could show proof that I'm right but I'm not about to find any of it, everything I said has come from many hours of reading.. I'm not just making this shit up. At the end of the day I could give a fuck what you people think about pot, because I know the truth. It's just frustrating to me because most of you arguing with me don't know much about pot marijuana at all, and it's pretty clear to me..




you obviously care, because your arguing back. Porcupine is posting direct sources(even though i haven't looked at them). if you know your right about this, prove it, rather than saying you dont care and continuing arguing.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7876028 - 01/13/08 09:53 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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putting smoke into your lungs isn't good for them. maybe it doesn't cause permanent damage or even much damage, but are you really going to argue with this?




Yes, because I KNOW for a fact that I'm right. If it doesn't cause permanent damage, then what the fuck are you people trying to argue about? Everybody says "putting smoke into your lungs isn't good", well can you tell me why or not? because until then, that's just your opinion. I've seen pictures of a marijuana smoker's lungs, and I know that the tar does NOT stick to your lungs even for a little while. I could show proof that I'm right but I'm not about to find any of it, everything I said has come from many hours of reading.. I'm not just making this shit up. At the end of the day I could give a fuck what you people think about pot, because I know the truth. It's just frustrating to me because most of you arguing with me don't know much about pot marijuana at all, and it's pretty clear to me..




Please do post your sources. I don't see how marijuana smoke is any different, and there are plenty of studies that show marijuana has potential to cause ailments like emphysema. Even erowid cites this as some of the negative effects to marijuana. I love marijuana more than the next guy and I too have done my research so step off your high horse buddy. I would love to see info that says otherwise so please take the time to post it.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7876140 - 01/13/08 10:14 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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putting smoke into your lungs isn't good for them. maybe it doesn't cause permanent damage or even much damage, but are you really going to argue with this?




Yes, because I KNOW for a fact that I'm right. If it doesn't cause permanent damage, then what the fuck are you people trying to argue about? Everybody says "putting smoke into your lungs isn't good", well can you tell me why or not? because until then, that's just your opinion.




i already posted a very recent study on the matter, not my opinion but a study. so why are you claiming that it is just our opinion?



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I've seen pictures of a marijuana smoker's lungs, and I know that the tar does NOT stick to your lungs even for a little while. I could show proof that I'm right but I'm not about to find any of it, everything I said has come from many hours of reading.. I'm not just making this shit up. At the end of the day I could give a fuck what you people think about pot, because I know the truth. It's just frustrating to me because most of you arguing with me don't know much about pot marijuana at all, and it's pretty clear to me..




so in reality, it's you who is just posting an opinion and not willing to back it up with any research. if you're not "making this shit up" then let's see your sources for christ's sake.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: THEBats]
    #7876143 - 01/13/08 10:14 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

emphysema? do you really believe that?

Tobacco /tar permanently sticks to your lungs, and it causes the alveoli in your lungs to burst. Marijuana smoke causes them to inflame temporarily (not really considered 'damage'), but they go back to normal shortly after. And THC helps open the airways in your lungs, which helps clear them out. If you smoke everyday your lungs are healthy. Did you ever realize how when you smoke a lot you have to clear your throat more before you talk? that's because the tar comes up out of your lungs with mucous and clogs your throat.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7876145 - 01/13/08 10:15 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Marijuana doesn't make you lose motivation. However, smoking marijuana can introduce you to a lifestyle in which more traditional 'success' is less highly valued.





Very well put, when you start smoking you realize what is truly important in life and what is not.




I used to think that weed gave me all of the answers to life as well. Then after about 3 years of smoking almost daily and I was barely getting high anymore I realized that the only answer that I ever gained from pot was "it feels good to be high". And then it didn't really matter what my opinions on success were, because now I was still doing the same shit but I wasn't getting high so it was lame. I don't feel like weed makes me focus on what's important. In fact, it usually makes me less social and less attentive to people around me like my family and my friends. That's just me though, and I'm just giving some anecdotal evidence to show that it is silly to look at weed from only a positive light. Sure, it may be my fault, whatever that means, but in my opinion it takes two to tango. It's analogous to saying that 9/11 happened because America brought it on themselves; while we all know that 9/11 couldn't have happened without the terrorists participation. Or something. I'm going to bed now.

Caribou, do you seriously believe that inhaling smoke, any smoke, could make your lungs healthier? That's like Bush saying that the war in Iraq is making Iraqis happier.

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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7876161 - 01/13/08 10:18 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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emphysema? do you really believe that?

Tobacco /tar permanently sticks to your lungs, and it causes the alveoli in your lungs to burst. Marijuana smoke causes them to inflame temporarily (not really considered 'damage'), but they go back to normal shortly after. And THC helps open the airways in your lungs, which helps clear them out. If you smoke everyday your lungs are healthy. Did you ever realize how when you smoke a lot you have to clear your throat more before you talk? that's because the tar comes up out of your lungs with mucous and clogs your throat.




You still aren't citing sources... also no I don't clear my throat before speaking.


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    #7876165 - 01/13/08 10:19 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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I used to think that weed gave me all of the answers to life as well. Then after about 3 years of smoking almost daily and I was barely getting high anymore I realized that the only answer that I ever gained from pot was "it feels good to be high". And then it didn't really matter what my opinions on success were, because now I was still doing the same shit but I wasn't getting high so it was lame. I don't feel like weed makes me focus on what's important. In fact, it usually makes me less social and less attentive to people around me like my family and my friends. That's just me though, and I'm just giving some anecdotal evidence to show that it is silly to look at weed from only a positive light. Sure, it may be my fault, whatever that means, but in my opinion it takes two to tango. It's analogous to saying that 9/11 happened because America brought it on themselves; while we all know that 9/11 couldn't have happened without the terrorists participation. Or something. I'm going to bed now.

Caribou, do you seriously believe that inhaling smoke, any smoke, could make your lungs healthier? That's like Bush saying that the war in Iraq is making Iraqis happier.

Sorry, I've been reading up on way too much politics today.




Like I said, there are certainly situations were weed can be abused and it can be detrimental. But as far as an objective view of the drug goes, I think you would be hard pressed to say that the negative affects can be attributed to weed and not the user.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: g00ru]
    #7876185 - 01/13/08 10:21 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

There is no object without a subject... it makes no sense to say that weed is 100% positive when not taking human participation in it into account. Basically you are saying that the user is a bad person that couldn't handle the 100% positive effects of weed. That is a cop out.


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    #7876187 - 01/13/08 10:22 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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emphysema? do you really believe that?

Tobacco /tar permanently sticks to your lungs, and it causes the alveoli in your lungs to burst. Marijuana smoke causes them to inflame temporarily (not really considered 'damage'), but they go back to normal shortly after. And THC helps open the airways in your lungs, which helps clear them out. If you smoke everyday your lungs are healthy. Did you ever realize how when you smoke a lot you have to clear your throat more before you talk? that's because the tar comes up out of your lungs with mucous and clogs your throat.




stop complaining that other people are only posting opinions when that is all you're doing.

i challenge you to post one single study which concludes that long term, heavy marijuana smoking has absolutely no adverse affects on the respiratory system as you claim. and the study must be up to date and use modern assessments of respiratory status, because otherwise the more recent studies will invalidate it.


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    #7876197 - 01/13/08 10:23 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

can be attributed to the user's interaction with the weed.

that's what my entire posting was about.

it's not the drug's fault of course. the drug has nothing to do with it. it is inanimate. all it does is cause a chemical response in your brain (among other physical effects). you are the one who receives its input and interprets it.

that's like blaming software for your computer crashing when it works on other computers. sometimes the software isn't designed for your computer. not the software's fault.. or your computer's fault.. it's the interaction between the software and the computer.


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    #7876219 - 01/13/08 10:27 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

fair enough, but what I am saying is that it takes two to tango. If you can accept that it is an interaction, you should be able to accept that weed has a negative interaction with certain individuals, meaning that it is partly to blame for that negativity, because it is an interaction.

I don't buy your "it is inanimate" argument. An interaction is a process, an animated one. We don't know what we bring to the table for weed, but we know what effects weed has on us.

I'm just talking out of my ass now, I'm fucking tired. I don't even think we are in disagreement. Weed is not inherently bad, of course not - NOTHING IS. I don't think anyone would say otherwise. I do think it probably damages your lungs in the long term. I don't see how any smoke containing chemicals could not.

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    #7876235 - 01/13/08 10:31 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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There is no object without a subject... it makes no sense to say that weed is 100% positive when not taking human participation in it into account. Basically you are saying that the user is a bad person that couldn't handle the 100% positive effects of weed. That is a cop out.




Well, within reason obviously.

I'm saying that as a drug weed is so mild and not bad for you (relatively) that any serious problems it causes are probably more a reflection of the user's qualities than weed's qualities.  That's not to say that weed doesn't sometimes lend itself to causing problems (lack of motivation, social awkwardness, etc.)  Just saying that compared to every other drug, even alcohol, weed is...well...awesome.

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    #7876544 - 01/14/08 12:09 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

threads like this make wish the og was still around. so we could just refer each other to other threads to make our arguments for us.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7876658 - 01/14/08 12:31 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

caribou_lou has made me realize how close-minded smoking pot can make you become. It is almost this paridoxical feeling of being open-minded, yet arrogantly only choosing to look at one viewpoint.


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    #7876698 - 01/14/08 12:40 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

You guys I've already explained why marijuana doesn't harm the bronchial system, and used a source for the information.

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Dr. Tashkin's is one of the most recent, it IS the largest, and many say is the most reliable source of valid information. you may have read Dr. Tashkin's previous study, which the government used as it's source to justify saying that marijuana causes cancer, and brain damage.




no, i never said that marijuana caused cancer.

inhaling cannabis smoke still causes pathological changes to respiratory system.

you people are confusing cancer with damage. you can damage your body in all sorts of ways without necessarily causing cancer.

you're using a study which shows no relationship between marijuana and lung cancer to say that it doesn't damage the lungs at all and that is not only ridiculous but a logical fallacy.

it would be like if i created a study of people who hit themselves in the head with a hammer every day, found that they didn't get cancer and then concluded that hitting yourself with a hammer was not harmful.

it's very sad to see people so deeply in denial that they cannot admit inhaling large amounts of smoke is harmful to the respiratory system.


here is a study even more recent than the taskin study which indicates that, guess what? habitually smoking marijuana is bad for your lungs. who ever would have guessed?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17666437?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum




Dr. Tashkin's study was much larger than the one you posted, and seen as more acceptable since Dr. Tashkin has led many of the study's on marijuana (for 30 years), and has tons of experience with such work. I explained to you that I was not simply talking about cancer, I explained that marijuana does not impair/harm/inhibit the bronchial system. since it seems you forgot already here you go:

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Also since Marijuana dilates the bronchial vessels you can actually breathe better after recently smoking, and then the bronchials will return to normal size and you can breathe normal again. but with Tobacco the bronchial's will stay constricted for long periods of time depending on how much you smoke, making it always slightly harder to breathe. so basically I'm saying, marijuana doesn't make it harder to run or be athletic. That's all in your head.]



If you don't believe me then go here:
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Most of the article talks about cancer, but to see the part about marijuana dilating bronchials, and flushing out tar from the lungs, then read the bottom.


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    #7877257 - 01/14/08 07:29 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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caribou_lou has made me realize how close-minded smoking pot can make you become. It is almost this paridoxical feeling of being open-minded, yet arrogantly only choosing to look at one viewpoint.




Or maybe I really know what i'm talking about, you fucking fool. Go read a marijuana forum where people know what they're talking about.

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    #7877381 - 01/14/08 08:37 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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You guys I've already explained why marijuana doesn't harm the bronchial system, and used a source for the information.

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Dr. Tashkin's is one of the most recent, it IS the largest, and many say is the most reliable source of valid information. you may have read Dr. Tashkin's previous study, which the government used as it's source to justify saying that marijuana causes cancer, and brain damage.




no, i never said that marijuana caused cancer.

inhaling cannabis smoke still causes pathological changes to respiratory system.

you people are confusing cancer with damage. you can damage your body in all sorts of ways without necessarily causing cancer.

you're using a study which shows no relationship between marijuana and lung cancer to say that it doesn't damage the lungs at all and that is not only ridiculous but a logical fallacy.

it would be like if i created a study of people who hit themselves in the head with a hammer every day, found that they didn't get cancer and then concluded that hitting yourself with a hammer was not harmful.

it's very sad to see people so deeply in denial that they cannot admit inhaling large amounts of smoke is harmful to the respiratory system.


here is a study even more recent than the taskin study which indicates that, guess what? habitually smoking marijuana is bad for your lungs. who ever would have guessed?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17666437?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum




Dr. Tashkin's study was much larger than the one you posted, and seen as more acceptable since Dr. Tashkin has led many of the study's on marijuana (for 30 years), and has tons of experience with such work. I explained to you that I was not simply talking about cancer, I explained that marijuana does not impair/harm/inhibit the bronchial system. since it seems you forgot already here you go:

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Also since Marijuana dilates the bronchial vessels you can actually breathe better after recently smoking, and then the bronchials will return to normal size and you can breathe normal again. but with Tobacco the bronchial's will stay constricted for long periods of time depending on how much you smoke, making it always slightly harder to breathe. so basically I'm saying, marijuana doesn't make it harder to run or be athletic. That's all in your head.]



If you don't believe me then go here:
http://content.herbalgram.org/wholefoodsmarket/herbalgram/articleview.asp?a=3064
Most of the article talks about cancer, but to see the part about marijuana dilating bronchials, and flushing out tar from the lungs, then read the bottom.




Though a large study it focus more on cancer rather than impeded lung function. Until I see a study focused directly on this I see us going no where in this argument.

"Marijuana smoke dilates small air passages in the lungs, rather than constricting them, as tobacco does. It eases asthma through its anti-spasmodic effect. "

This part is true and I agree however:

"Moreover, it is believed that marijuana smoke, by irritating the bronchioles and stimulating the �chronic� cough reflex characteristic of marijuana inhalation, reduces adhesion of tars and other smoke-borne particles to lung surfaces, whereas tobacco smoke numbs the bronchioles, allowing adhesion"

I'm sorry but that is just a leap there and not based in any yet available scientific data, which from what I can see is what both you and the other guy are arguing. I bet if such leaps and bounds were made in the opposite direction you would be making the same fuss I am making. Show me a study that says more than just "belief."

I really don't know why any positive data on pot is believed to be undeniable truth. Further we need more scientists doing repeat studies to compare results before we start to see a more definite picture.

Also we could do without the insults here. A healthy skepticism is far from down syndrome my friend.


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    #7877906 - 01/14/08 11:42 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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You guys I've already explained why marijuana doesn't harm the bronchial system, and used a source for the information.

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Dr. Tashkin's is one of the most recent, it IS the largest, and many say is the most reliable source of valid information. you may have read Dr. Tashkin's previous study, which the government used as it's source to justify saying that marijuana causes cancer, and brain damage.




no, i never said that marijuana caused cancer.

inhaling cannabis smoke still causes pathological changes to respiratory system.

you people are confusing cancer with damage. you can damage your body in all sorts of ways without necessarily causing cancer.

you're using a study which shows no relationship between marijuana and lung cancer to say that it doesn't damage the lungs at all and that is not only ridiculous but a logical fallacy.

it would be like if i created a study of people who hit themselves in the head with a hammer every day, found that they didn't get cancer and then concluded that hitting yourself with a hammer was not harmful.

it's very sad to see people so deeply in denial that they cannot admit inhaling large amounts of smoke is harmful to the respiratory system.


here is a study even more recent than the taskin study which indicates that, guess what? habitually smoking marijuana is bad for your lungs. who ever would have guessed?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17666437?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum




Dr. Tashkin's study was much larger than the one you posted, and seen as more acceptable since Dr. Tashkin has led many of the study's on marijuana (for 30 years), and has tons of experience with such work. I explained to you that I was not simply talking about cancer, I explained that marijuana does not impair/harm/inhibit the bronchial system. since it seems you forgot already here you go:

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Also since Marijuana dilates the bronchial vessels you can actually breathe better after recently smoking, and then the bronchials will return to normal size and you can breathe normal again. but with Tobacco the bronchial's will stay constricted for long periods of time depending on how much you smoke, making it always slightly harder to breathe. so basically I'm saying, marijuana doesn't make it harder to run or be athletic. That's all in your head.]



If you don't believe me then go here:
http://content.herbalgram.org/wholefoodsmarket/herbalgram/articleview.asp?a=3064
Most of the article talks about cancer, but to see the part about marijuana dilating bronchials, and flushing out tar from the lungs, then read the bottom.




all the references that article uses are studies done on marijuana and lung cancer, not other measures of respiratory status. since we're not even discussing lung cancer, why are you only using studies that investigate lung cancer? seems you don't have much to go on. if it was true that habitually smoking marijuana did no damage to the lungs, then why don't you simply post a recent study ACTUALLY DONE ON THIS ISSUE which concluded this? especially considering there have been plenty of studies done on this? perhaps because they didn't find the results you were looking for?

second of all, no where in that article do they even state that smoking marijuana has absolutely no adverse affects on the respiratory system. they simply speculate that it might pose LESS of a risk than tobacco. not that it poses no risks.

so your own speculative souce, even IF true, doesn't directly support the notion that marijuana smoking causes no damage to the respiratory system. i think dr. taskin himself would strongly disagree with anyone who claimed this. in fact, here is a 2005 study where he states:

Habitual use of marijuana is also associated with abnormalities in the structure and function of alveolar macrophages, including impairment in microbial phagocytosis and killing that is associated with defective production of immunostimulatory cytokines and nitric oxide, thereby potentially predisposing to pulmonary infection.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16128224?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

and here is a 2007 systematic review of 34 studies on the respiratory affects of marijuana smoking which concludes that Long-term marijuana smoking is associated with increased respiratory symptoms suggestive of obstructive lung disease.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17296876?ordinalpos=7&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


how can anyone with even a semi-rational mind claim that habitualy smoking marijuana causes no damage to the respiratory system? there is simply no scientific evidence to support this and an overwhelming amount of data suggesting the opposite.

although the individual studies vary in their findings, a common theme among all of them is that they all find some evidence of pathological changes in the lungs of heavy marijuana users (at least all of the ones which use multiple measures of respiratory status, a problem with some older studies is that the very accurate methods of assessing lung damage we have today, such as high resolution CT scans, were either unavalaible or too expensive to use). no study to date has ever concluded that long term heavy marijuana smoking did not damage the lungs in some fashion. so why would anyone believe this?

until you can show me a study, like the first one i posted, where they assess the respiratory status of long term heavy marijuana smokers using high resolution CT scans and find no evidence of damage, you have no argument.


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    #7877932 - 01/14/08 11:49 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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caribou_lou has made me realize how close-minded smoking pot can make you become. It is almost this paridoxical feeling of being open-minded, yet arrogantly only choosing to look at one viewpoint.




Or maybe I really know what i'm talking about, you fucking fool. Go read a marijuana forum where people know what they're talking about.

^^ at least someone in this thread doesn't have down syndrome




if you know what you're talking about, then why don't you simply post your sources? would you believe me if i said "trust me, i know what i'm talking about" and called you a fool but i posted no sources? obviously not. so why do you expect us to believe you? you're not making any sense and you know it.


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    #7877954 - 01/14/08 11:54 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Well I thought I said this, but I did all this research over the course of a few years and now I just know it. I'm not going to go search for sources mostly because most sources you find are bogus, and I'm not about to spend time to look for the good ones. But I can get one of my papers from school when if I remember the next time I have class. I don't expect anyone to believe me, I just hate to see people spread lies about something I am so passionate about. Especially when they think they are right, because they are clearly not.

You have no idea how many threads I have read EXACTLY like this one. Only on a marijuana forum, where people know a lot more about it than here.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7877999 - 01/14/08 12:06 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

If you don't have sources, stop talking shit and being so full of yourself. You say you don't expect anyone to believe you yet you are completely hostile to opposing opinions.. that is silly, my friend.

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I just hate to see people spread lies about something I am so passionate about.




Then please, lead us towards the light of scientific study. I don't doubt that there are people on a marijuana forum who are well researched, but this really does nothing for your argument :shrug:

Excuse me if I'm not going to accept what you say at face value considering you just said you are very passionate about weed so it's kind of hard to take what you say as non-biased.


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    #7878473 - 01/14/08 01:59 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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Well I thought I said this, but I did all this research over the course of a few years and now I just know it. I'm not going to go search for sources mostly because most sources you find are bogus, and I'm not about to spend time to look for the good ones. But I can get one of my papers from school when if I remember the next time I have class. I don't expect anyone to believe me, I just hate to see people spread lies about something I am so passionate about. Especially when they think they are right, because they are clearly not.

You have no idea how many threads I have read EXACTLY like this one. Only on a marijuana forum, where people know a lot more about it than here.




so before you "guaranteed" you knew more about marijuana than i do or anyone else trying to argue with you but you can't even recall a single good source from all the years of research you did? no offense but that is simply laughable.

furthermore, you still haven't addressed the first study i posted which was very recent and used high resolution CT scans to look at the lungs of marijuana smokers. you could at least start by explaining why they found pathologies in the lungs of marijuana only smokers as compared to controls, if marijuana doesn't cause any damage to the lungs. you said if i posted that information, you would explain why it was wrong and then you completely failed to deliver.


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    #7878527 - 01/14/08 02:11 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Yeah like I'm going to remember specific studies and how to find them from a long time ago.. chill out I said I would post my sources when I get my paper at school. There's more to this than some inconclusive studies, there's so many studies that contradict each other out there.. I'm sure I could easily find one and post it.


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    #7878567 - 01/14/08 02:21 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

god damn dude. these egos are out of control. some of you claim that weed has helped you see the light but um... it sounds like your just self-justifying your overconsumption of marijuana.

thats great for all of you that are in the best shape of your life whilst smoking weed.. but not everybody reacts to weed the same way. i mean seriously. there is no bottom line for marijuana users. every single one is different - a lot are lazy, but creative and intelligent, while others are active, but ignorant and belligerent.

that's just the way it goes man.


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    #7878571 - 01/14/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)


"Yeah like I'm going to remember specific studies and how to find them from a long time ago.. chill out I said I would post my sources when I get my paper at school. There's more to this than some inconclusive studies, there's so many studies that contradict each other out there.. I'm sure I could easily find one and post it."

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    #7878596 - 01/14/08 02:29 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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god damn dude. these egos are out of control. some of you claim that weed has helped you see the light but um... it sounds like your just self-justifying your overconsumption of marijuana.

thats great for all of you that are in the best shape of your life whilst smoking weed.. but not everybody reacts to weed the same way. i mean seriously. there is no bottom line for marijuana users. every single one is different - a lot are lazy, but creative and intelligent, while others are active, but ignorant and belligerent.

that's just the way it goes man.




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    #7878621 - 01/14/08 02:40 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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god damn dude. these egos are out of control. some of you claim that weed has helped you see the light but um... it sounds like your just self-justifying your overconsumption of marijuana.

thats great for all of you that are in the best shape of your life whilst smoking weed.. but not everybody reacts to weed the same way. i mean seriously. there is no bottom line for marijuana users. every single one is different - a lot are lazy, but creative and intelligent, while others are active, but ignorant and belligerent.

that's just the way it goes man.




Don't pretend like you know anybody that posts here, you guys are way too quick to make assumptions.




i didn't assume anything, and im not "pretending" to know anybody. i made an inference based on what i've read - you're revealing your aggressive nature to me through your aggressive responses.

all one has to do to see that egos are flaring here is read the posts. people are getting insulted and getting defensive as hell. it's your ego doing that - because your "knowledge" is being compromised.

weed aint supposed to do this. it's supposed to bring people together! stop arguing about whether weed's good for you or not, and just fuckin smoke a blunt and make your own decision.


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    #7878649 - 01/14/08 02:49 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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Yeah like I'm going to remember specific studies and how to find them from a long time ago..




so why is it that i, with my such inferior knowledge of marijuana, have no problem remembering or finding specific studies on the subject? for any self proclaimed expert to not be able to remember a single study on the subject, is, as i said before, simply laughable. and furthermore, if your studies are "from a long time ago" then what makes them more valid than my very recently published studies? in other words, shouldn't you be familiar with both the old and the newer studies published on marijuana if you truly know so much more about it than i do?

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chill out I said I would post my sources when I get my paper at school. There's more to this than some inconclusive studies, there's so many studies that contradict each other out there.. I'm sure I could easily find one and post it.




the fact that there are studies which contradict eachother is why i posted a recent, systematic review of 34 publications, which surprise, surprise, concluded that habitually smoking marijuana did indeed damage the respiratory system.

you certainly have your work cut out for when it comes to proving otherwise. especially since, as i stated before, if your studies don't use modern methods of assessing respiratory function like HRCT scans, they won't hold any weight against the more recent studies. but if you know of a recent large scale study which uses HRCT scans and respiratory function tests to examine the lungs of long term, heavy marijuana smokers, and finds absolutely no adverse affects, then PLEASE enlighten us and post it.


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    #7878651 - 01/14/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

quit arguin about it damaging your lungs.

it cant be good for them, but that doesn't mean that marijuana is necessarily bad or AS bad as other things. or maybe it is good. i'm sure if there was a legitimate medicinal use to combat lung cancer there would be a huge campaign by the pro-legalization movement.

that's way off the point of the post.

dude wanted to know if anyone has quit and did it help them. i think i am the only one who actually responded on topic..

maybe we should just lock this since it's so far off topic.. the question has been answered..


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    #7878987 - 01/14/08 04:07 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

all about moderation. unfortunately, for weed I havent figured it out just yet. 10 years and counting...


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    #7879024 - 01/14/08 04:13 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

i love pot, and pot loves me.


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    #7879978 - 01/14/08 07:19 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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god damn dude. these egos are out of control. some of you claim that weed has helped you see the light but um... it sounds like your just self-justifying your overconsumption of marijuana.

thats great for all of you that are in the best shape of your life whilst smoking weed.. but not everybody reacts to weed the same way. i mean seriously. there is no bottom line for marijuana users. every single one is different - a lot are lazy, but creative and intelligent, while others are active, but ignorant and belligerent.

that's just the way it goes man.




Don't pretend like you know anybody that posts here, you guys are way too quick to make assumptions.




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    #7880234 - 01/14/08 08:07 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Can everybody chill out? Ok first off I think we should drop the smoke argument. Most people, even most marijauna smokers, know that the smoke is not good for the lungs. It may not be as bad as tobacco smoke or other forms of smoke but its not good. It may not be that bad but you can't keep telling yourself that weed is perfect and has no negative effects.

I smoke weed. In fact for the past few weeks I've been smoking every single day, sometimes multiple times per day. And now I'm cutting back to weekend use only just to focus a little more in school and save my stash/lower tolerance.

I love marijuana. I love smoking it, and I love getting stoned and I love the culture of it. But I still won't go around parading as if weed is some perfect gift from God that has no negative effects and makes you into an awesome dude. That may be true for some people. For me, I would say weed has generally made me more open minded and accepting of life. It helps me to be happy with the little things, even when I'm not high (or this could be from lsd/mushrooms).

Even though it may have helped you and many others it still has negative effects for some people. For example, if you have no self control and smoke all day everyday chances are you aren't going to get much done. Thats kind of a given. One of my best friends and I started smoking weed at the same time. He was never particularly good in school and kinda didn't do a lot of his homework and stuff. Once he started smoking the weed kind of amplified it for him. He was smoking every day all the time and his grades suffered. He ended up doing coke for a short while and got into perscription pills and methadone. He doesn't do that shit anymore though, he quit. He's a cool guy but when it comes to drugs he really doesn't have self control.

Now I'm not saying this happens to everyone, or even most users, in fact i'd estimate this kind of thing happens to much less than half. But the point is that it does happen for some people if they habitually use it. You cannot say that weed does not have some negative effects on some people.

Personally, I don't think weed has had any long lasting negative effects on me in my 2 year history of smoking it. My grades haven't slipped, I have a job, and friends. Sometimes when I go on "binges" where I smoke every day for a couple of weeks I do notice some things and then I usually decide to cut back to weekends only. And then I eventually start smoking every day again and must cut back. Its a cycle of sorts lol.


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    #7880256 - 01/14/08 08:10 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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quit arguin about it damaging your lungs.

it cant be good for them, but that doesn't mean that marijuana is necessarily bad or AS bad as other things. or maybe it is good. i'm sure if there was a legitimate medicinal use to combat lung cancer there would be a huge campaign by the pro-legalization movement.

that's way off the point of the post.

dude wanted to know if anyone has quit and did it help them. i think i am the only one who actually responded on topic..

maybe we should just lock this since it's so far off topic.. the question has been answered..




There's a study that talks about this. I think in the study the cancer rate in the tobacco and marijuana group was lower than just tobacco. of course since none of this is viable by my word, give me some time to find it.


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    #7880281 - 01/14/08 08:15 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

from my experience, any drug used in excess will fuck with you. personally, when i smoked weed on a daily basis, being stoned started being less meaningful and more of the norm. sobriety became a rarety and i noticed that if i took a few days break, the high became what i remembered it being when i first started smoking. now, i like to do it on a weekly basis and it's much more powerful and enjoyable.

i also have anti-social traits and they become stronger when i'm high. while stoned, large groups of people make me paranoid and i feel like the world is so fucking crowded that i don't need to be out in it. i don't blame the weed for these feelings though, it just brings them out more.

and as far as the jogging goes, that can be a natural high in itself. it does really seem to make me think clearly. i like to get to the point where i go for a long jog, and then reward myself with a knife hit afterwards if i feel like i exerted myself to the fullest.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: jesusvsbuddha]
    #7880412 - 01/14/08 08:50 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Weed has changed my life for the better beyond words. Maybe it's a quick fix, maybe it's an illusion, but life has literally never been better since I started smoking regularly. I can honestly say it has bee one of the best things I have done for myself.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: dfernandez90]
    #7880604 - 01/14/08 09:46 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

I ordered a vaporizer, then i will get no harmful effects and all the fun.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Cannashroom]
    #7881557 - 01/15/08 02:18 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I didn't even look at your posted source porc, all I needed to see was the .gov to realize it was going to be a biased study.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Flugon_Nine]
    #7882680 - 01/15/08 10:49 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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I didn't even look at your posted source porc, all I needed to see was the .gov to realize it was going to be a biased study.




human ignorance never ceases to amaze me .gov is in the url because i used the pubmed search engine to find the study.

PubMed is a free search engine for accessing the MEDLINE database of citations and abstracts of biomedical research articles. The core subject is medicine, and PubMed covers fields related to medicine, such as nursing and other allied health disciplines. It also provides very full coverage of the related biomedical sciences, such as biochemistry and cell biology. It is offered by the United States National Library of Medicine at the National Institutes of Health as part of the Entrez information retrieval system. As with other indexes, the inclusion of an article in PubMed does not endorse that article's contents.

the very same studies which find medicinal benefits to marijuana and no link to lung cancer can also be accessed through pubmed. you clearly have no idea what you're talking about.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7883871 - 01/15/08 03:04 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Let's just kill two birds with one stone and kill Caribou_Lou.

1.) We would find how tar covered his daily marijuana consuming lungs are.

2.) We would have one less arogant, idiotic, and simply embarrassing marijuana user.

I have never, ever in my years of smoking coughed up ANYTHING. You can't just tell me no tar builds up, even if it does eventually go away. Like others have stated, look at any used bowl, there is TONS of resin in it. The fact I have to clean my piece out after every 10 or so uses confirms that the smoke builds up tar.
You don't cough because the smoke is hot, you cough because it is not supposed to be in there and your body's reflex is to cough to get it out of your respitory system.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Fruitboot]
    #7884038 - 01/15/08 03:32 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

There's no way huh? Nobody said you cough because it's hot, maybe you should go reread some posts. Go do some research about marijuana tar and then come back, because as of now you are just speculating.

Pipes are made of glass, resin sticks to it. Your lungs aren't made of glass, and your lungs have mucous that cleans your lungs.. amazing huh.

And yeah have you people forgot about edibles and vaporizers? I guess it's not the weed after all..


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7884317 - 01/15/08 04:18 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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There's no way huh? Nobody said you cough because it's hot, maybe you should go reread some posts.





Um...
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Smoke can still be hot even if it's cooled, that's the only reason why it "hurts". I don't even cough anymore when I smoke.






I did reread posts and this is what you said. You said it "hurts" and what causes you to cough, the fact that it hurts and it is putting tar on your lungs! Your lungs aren't coated with some magical enzyme that keeps anything from sticking to it.




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Go do some research about marijuana tar and then come back, because as of now you are just speculating.




You hypocrite, you can't tell someone else to go do research while your lazy, stoner ass won't even back yourself up with the "years worth of research" you've apparently done. I've always thought it was funny when people say vaping is healthy for you. The fact that you are saying smoking is healthy for you is just astounding.
Who gives a shit if it allows the opening of alveoli and airways if it is coating them in tar at the same time? You keep repeating the same "facts" over and over again and not addressing the challenges of other members. You sir, fail at this arguement.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Fruitboot]
    #7884347 - 01/15/08 04:23 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

It's called mucous, not some special enzyme. I said it hurts because it's hot in your throat, that has nothing to do with the next sentence.. I didn't say it's health you moron. I fail at this argument? Oh no, at the end of the day I know who's right and it doesn't matter to me what you think.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7884422 - 01/15/08 04:40 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

please just let this fucking thread die.

it should have died a long time ago.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7884426 - 01/15/08 04:41 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: THEBats]
    #7884597 - 01/15/08 05:14 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I tried


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: THEBats]
    #7884601 - 01/15/08 05:14 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

It's actually an irrelevant argument because whatever the truth is, I'm still going to smoke weed every day.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: g00ru]
    #7884620 - 01/15/08 05:18 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Yeah everybody thinks they're right so this isn't even going to change anybodies opinion anyway. Either way, the negative effects aren't as bad as many things people do, and it's no reason not to smoke. That's what really matters I guess.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7884853 - 01/15/08 06:00 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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Yeah everybody thinks they're right so this isn't even going to change anybodies opinion anyway. Either way, the negative effects aren't as bad as many things people do, and it's no reason not to smoke. That's what really matters I guess.




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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7884899 - 01/15/08 06:09 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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Yeah everybody thinks they're right so this isn't even going to change anybodies opinion anyway.




wrong. because unlike you, not everyone here behaves like a closed minded hypocritical idiot. and i mean no offense by saying that but up until this point, that is how you have behaved.

i on the other hand, am open to logical, rational debate and will most certainly change my mind if someone can provide scientific evidence that proves me wrong. now i've already outlined the type of evidence that was necessary and extended a friendly challenge to you to provide it.

i am a truth seeker, i want to know what the truth is regardless of whether it makes me right or wrong. if you, with your self-proclaimed expertise and "years of research" have come accross something which i missed, i implore you to please post it and unlighten us all. do it for the sake of science, for the sake of truth.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7884927 - 01/15/08 06:16 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

You think I'm an idiot, I think you're an idiot. I know I'm not an idiot, so I don't care what you think about me. Do you realize that maybe I don't care enough about your opinion to go find research that I came across months ago? I've been in so many arguments like this I'm not going to post "studies" every time I say something. I post here to waste time, right now I'm stuck far away from where I should be without a car and a job so I have a lot of time to spare. I don't care what you think about pot, fuck don't smoke if it's damaging to your respiratory system.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7884999 - 01/15/08 06:30 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Why do you think porcupine is an idiot? Because he doesn't believe in something which you've provided no evidence for and continue to argue about and then hypocritically state that you don't care enough to actually back up your statements? Obviously you care because you can't stop yourself from defending your position.

I think you DO care about what he thinks about pot, otherwise you wouldn't have called him an idiot. Your hypocrisy could not be more transparent.  :lol:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7885011 - 01/15/08 06:33 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Reminds me of high school debates. Strictly emotional and all... Still it entertains me. Bravo.

Dudes. Light a joint, sit back and enjoy.

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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Babylon2012]
    #7885025 - 01/15/08 06:35 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I'm taking a break for a little while so I can enjoy it more when I come back. I'm sober as shit right now :sad:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7885173 - 01/15/08 07:01 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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You think I'm an idiot, I think you're an idiot.




wrong again. i don't know you well enough to decide whether or not you are an idiot, all i know is that you have behaved like one thus far.

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I know I'm not an idiot, so I don't care what you think about me. Do you realize that maybe I don't care enough about your opinion to go find research that I came across months ago? I've been in so many arguments like this I'm not going to post "studies" every time I say something. I post here to waste time, right now I'm stuck far away from where I should be without a car and a job so I have a lot of time to spare. I don't care what you think about pot, fuck don't smoke if it's damaging to your respiratory system.




if you have a lot of time to spare and have done as much research on marijuana as you claim, it would take you far less time to go find a study then to write out all these long posts in which you continueously contradict yourself. since i am able to find ansd access very recently published studies so quickly and easily, is it possible that perhaps i am more well researched than you? i am still trying to understand how a self proclaimed expert on something, who has done "years of research", can't remember a single one of his sources. can you explain that?

and like i said, it's not a matter of caring about my opinion but caring about us as a group finding the TRUTH. if you're not interested in contributing towards that goal, then don't enter into debates. and don't offer to provide evidence and then not provide any. you said you would post the sources from one of your school papers. well where are those? and how would it make you feel if you HAD actually posted them and yet i kept on insisting i was right and you were wrong but refused to ever back myself up with anything? considering how hostile you've been already, i don't think you would take very kindly to that. so maybe think a little bit about treating others the way you might wish to be treated in the future. it seems like you're having a very hard time accepting the fact that you've lost this debate, but you haven't yet. i am still willing to look into this wealth of scientific data you've studied for years but i somehow missed over. i am simply asking you, as a personal favor, to show me where it lies, so that i and other members of this community can become more knowledgeable as a whole.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7885183 - 01/15/08 07:03 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

You just told me I'm an idiot :rofl2: You're right I'm pulling this out of my ass, I just decided to make it all up one day.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7885199 - 01/15/08 07:05 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

this is going nowhere fast...


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: THEBats]
    #7885205 - 01/15/08 07:06 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

It's like talking to a child..


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7885217 - 01/15/08 07:07 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Read the part where he said he doesn't think I'm an idiot.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7885229 - 01/15/08 07:10 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

He said you're acting like an idiot, not that you are one. Believe it or not there's a difference my friend.

I still think you're alright, I just wish you'd understand what it is people are trying to tell you.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7885244 - 01/15/08 07:13 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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You just told me I'm an idiot :rofl2: You're right I'm pulling this out of my ass, I just decided to make it all up one day. 




no, i said you were behaving like an idiot. just like i am capable of behaving like an idiot at times (and believe me, i have on more than one occasion). but that does that MAKE me an idiot? not necessarily. chances are almost everyone can think of a time in their life when they behaved like one. but we can also grow and learn from our mistakes.

it seems almost as if you're trying to change the subject to distract from the fact that you've lost the debate or cannot answer the questions i'm asking. instead of focusing on personal issues, can we simply focus on finding the truth? isn't that what we're here for?

i am simply asking you provide us with the ever so interesting information you claim to have and we are all so curious about. if smoking marijuana has indeed made you a better person, why is it so difficult for you to do us that simple favor? and then you would have it available for future reference since you claim this has come up so many times.

if i learned anything from smoking marijuana, it was to approach things with from an open minded, compassionate standpoint and treat others how i would wish to be treated. i am curious what you learned from it?


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7885317 - 01/15/08 07:26 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

No i'm really not, at this point I'm done with this, but that won't stop me from reading your responses :smile:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7885331 - 01/15/08 07:28 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

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No i'm really not, at this point I'm done with this, but that won't stop me from reading your responses :smile:




i have nothing further to say, i've already made my points and provided sources.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7885356 - 01/15/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

is this the end?


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: THEBats]
    #7885371 - 01/15/08 07:35 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

that's up to you guys I will never stop checking this thread, ever.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7885391 - 01/15/08 07:38 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

yes you will. ha. and so the debate continues...


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7894601 - 01/17/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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that's up to you guys I will never stop checking this thread, ever.




your just a big pot head...:)

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    #7894603 - 01/17/08 07:47 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

this is funny


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    #7895970 - 01/18/08 02:37 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I think it has to be said that not a single one of the arguments proposed, by caribou lou or otherwise, can stand on solid, scientific ground.

Due to the restrictive manner of laws surrounding drug studies, nearly none (if not, all) of the studies presented have passed the final step of the scientific process. These studies need to be repeated at least once to actually provide any sort of valid ground on which to stand. Saying that you KNOW anything about how marijuana affects the respiratory system is taking a leap of faith.

Just to give an example of how hard it is to do drug studies in the United States (and, by extension, much of the rest of the world due to our ridiculous war on drugs' influence):
Birth Control, a completely legal pharmaceutical, has never actually been tested on the majority group that uses it -- teenage girls. Because it is illegal to conduct studies on women of child-bearing age (up to a certain age...I'd have to look it up to tell you the exact age) so much of what we know about the safety of birth control is from much older women. Combine that with the fact that nearly half of the states in the US do not even allow any form of medicinal study and the whole issue becomes much more difficult.

In fact, The same can be said for most FDA-approved drugs. Most drugs on the market have only been proven safe for men.

Birth control is an FDA Approved class of drug, a drug of interest to pharmaceutical companies, and a drug of interest to the general populous and it even has a hard time making it to the end of the process.
Take that example and apply it to an illegal drug that the government would love to cast in a negative light and try to formulate an argument on the scant conclusions we've come up with.

I just thought that we should all be aware of this. Until marijuana is researched to a satisfying extent, don't claim you KNOW anything -- you are essentially guessing at this point.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Veter]
    #7896206 - 01/18/08 06:50 AM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I smoke an average of at least 4 days a week and I'm planning on cutting down. The problem is, I've thought of stopping altogether before and can never find a good reason to. Here's how I played it out in my head:

Addictiveness: Not physically addictive and no more mentally addictive than your favorite movie/band/artist etc.

Harm: Several studies show that marijuana doesn't cause brain damage. Several studies show that there are no link to lung cancer although emphysema has been reported, albeit less mild than with cigarettes. Although, in that case, it's a lesser of two evils.

Money: If I wasn't buying weed, I'd be buying CDs or something else of interest. Although, self-control comes into play when I get the munchies.

All in all, weed hasn't really negatively affected me. I go to college, have a job and have aspirations and dreams but I feel it might be better from a health standpoint (cut down on fast-food) and an economic standpoint (save money in general) to quit for awhile.


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