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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7872921 - 01/13/08 11:00 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Dr. Tashkin's is one of the most recent, it IS the largest, and many say is the most reliable source of valid information. you may have read Dr. Tashkin's previous study, which the government used as it's source to justify saying that marijuana causes cancer, and brain damage.




He put monkeys into an enclosed box and exposed them to 5 times the amount of smoke that the average pothead inhales in a LIFETIME. They had no oxygen, and basically suffocated. Then he claims marijuana causes cancer and brain damage, when in reality it was because they couldn't breathe.. This was the single experiment that started so many bullshit myths. Later he was fired and he even said himself that it was a bullshit experiment.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7873279 - 01/13/08 12:54 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Dr. Tashkin's is one of the most recent, it IS the largest, and many say is the most reliable source of valid information. you may have read Dr. Tashkin's previous study, which the government used as it's source to justify saying that marijuana causes cancer, and brain damage.




no, i never said that marijuana caused cancer.

inhaling cannabis smoke still causes pathological changes to respiratory system.

you people are confusing cancer with damage. you can damage your body in all sorts of ways without necessarily causing cancer.

you're using a study which shows no relationship between marijuana and lung cancer to say that it doesn't damage the lungs at all and that is not only ridiculous but a logical fallacy.

it would be like if i created a study of people who hit themselves in the head with a hammer every day, found that they didn't get cancer and then concluded that hitting yourself with a hammer was not harmful.

it's very sad to see people so deeply in denial that they cannot admit inhaling large amounts of smoke is harmful to the respiratory system.


here is a study even more recent than the taskin study which indicates that, guess what? habitually smoking marijuana is bad for your lungs. who ever would have guessed?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17666437?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7873297 - 01/13/08 01:02 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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i've read many studies which show that it does impair lung function.




You're wrong. :thumbdown: You're so wrong that I don't even feel like arguing about it. 





i smoked marijuana for years and have personally experienced damaging affects on my lungs. ever notice that it burns when you take a big rip off a bowl and it hurts when you take a huge bong rip? well pain is your body's way of telling you that it's being injured.

and if that still isn't enough to convince you, well if you cut open the corpses of people who smoked a lot of marijuana in their lifetimes , you will find pathological changes in their lungs. this is scientific fact, it's not even up for debate.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7873447 - 01/13/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

It's sad that you can't accept the fact that you're wrong, you have no idea what you're talking about. Marijuana doesn't cause damage to your respiratory system, give it up. Actually marijuana smokers have very healthy pink lungs, thc helps OPEN the alveoli and airways in your lungs.. the reason it hurts when you take a big rip is because THE SMOKE IS HOT, not because it's damaging your lungs. :lol:

I'm in denial? Guess what I actually have done research, I'm not talking out of my ass like you.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7873750 - 01/13/08 03:01 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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It's sad that you can't accept the fact that you're wrong, you have no idea what you're talking about. Marijuana doesn't cause damage to your respiratory system, give it up. Actually marijuana smokers have very healthy pink lungs, thc helps OPEN the alveoli and airways in your lungs.. the reason it hurts when you take a big rip is because THE SMOKE IS HOT, not because it's damaging your lungs. :lol:




do you even know what a bong is? it is a device which COOLS down the smoke.

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I'm in denial? Guess what I actually have done research, I'm not talking out of my ass like you. 




i posted the most recent study of anyone in this thread and you didn't even attempt to refute it. i've read nearly every study ever published about marijuana and the respiratory system. on what do you base the implication that i haven't done research?


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7873826 - 01/13/08 03:21 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

hey hey hey, smoke weed everyday.
Seriously though, habitual use . . . for some people it works, others it doesn't. Some of my friends smoke habitually and thus are completely incapable of doing anything because the way weed effects them is different then it effects habitual users like myself and others that can still focus and manage themselves accordingly. Different strokes for different folks.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7874011 - 01/13/08 03:58 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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You don't know me at all, so stop pretending like you do. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Damage to the respiratory system? I'm not even going to waste my time on that. Okay, it might cause very mild psychosis with some people. It slightly affects your memory, but not as much as anybody thinks. Everybody who smokes blames their memory problems on weed, but my friend who hasn't smoked in 8 months has just as many if not more memory problems as I do. What else does it do? Enlighten me. 



you are stupid
you think putting tar in you lungs wont damage them well then read the above statement and if you have questions on whether or not weed produces this tar buy a new bowl smoke out of it every day for a week look at the resin and apologize for being an r-tard.:thumbup:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7874250 - 01/13/08 04:43 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I'm stupid? Get the fuck out of here. You cough up marijuana tar with mucous, it doesn't stay in your lugs. It's nothing like cigarette tar, thc opens the airways in your lungs. Marijuana smokers have healthy lungs, unless they smoke cigarettes. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, keep trying though.


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i posted the most recent study of anyone in this thread and you didn't even attempt to refute it. i've read nearly every study ever published about marijuana and the respiratory system. on what do you base the implication that i haven't done research?




well for one, you don't know what you're talking about. I'm done wasting my time on you ignorant fools, you can go learn this shit for yourself.

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do you even know what a bong is? it is a device which COOLS down the smoke.






Well at least you're intelligent HAHA. Smoke can still be hot even if it's cooled, that's the only reason why it "hurts". I don't even cough anymore when I smoke. Here's an idea, how about you tell me why it's harmful to the respiratory system and then I'll tell you why you're wrong.


Edited by Caribou_Lou (01/13/08 04:50 PM)


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7874321 - 01/13/08 04:56 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Marijuana doesn't make you lose motivation.  However, smoking marijuana can introduce you to a lifestyle in which more traditional 'success' is less highly valued.  Once I started smoking weed, my friends and I never talked about grades or sports anymore, we just talked about weed.  One day I became aware that my grades were in fact slipping and that it was a direct corellation with my smoking.  So, I got my ass in gear and got my grades back up, while still smoking every day.  It's not the drug, its YOU. Take some responsibility.

As for lung damage, I think that if you smoke every day it can certainly cause lung irritation and that can make you cough a lot and slightly reduce lung capacity.  Still, I run every day and smoke weed, and I'm in great shape.  Just recently I ran a 16:57 5k, which is my fastest time ever.

So basically what I'm saying is, marijuana doesn't 'effect' you to lose motivation.  You do.  If you can't do shit and smoke also, that's your fault.  And if you need to stop smoking weed, go ahead and do it.  But don't blame it on the drug, cause it's not the herb's fault.

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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: g00ru]
    #7874342 - 01/13/08 05:01 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Marijuana doesn't make you lose motivation. However, smoking marijuana can introduce you to a lifestyle in which more traditional 'success' is less highly valued.





Very well put, when you start smoking you realize what is truly important in life and what is not.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: g00ru]
    #7874407 - 01/13/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Well at least you're intelligent HAHA. Smoke can still be hot even if it's cooled, that's the only reason why it "hurts". I don't even cough anymore when I smoke. Here's an idea, how about you tell me why it's harmful to the respiratory system and then I'll tell you why you're wrong.





i already posted a very recent study showing some of the affects that smoking marijuana has on your respiratory system. so why don't you start there? in fact, why haven't you already addressed that study?


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7874456 - 01/13/08 05:23 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

"Just recently I ran a 16:57 5k, which is my fastest time ever."

WOW! Nice job man. You can't argue with results like that folks...

I smoke herb everyday. I love it. I am a functional stoner though. I was actually very socially awkward until I started smoking. I am one of those people that needed it. I was leaning way to far to the other side of life.

I find alcohol is way more detrimental to my life than herb.

And the argument about the lungs, duh. Smoking is not good for your lungs. But, neither is eating fast food. Live life a little.

If you think you need to quit, then quit. Certainly posting on a message board may give you inspiration, but do not be one of those people who think the whole world has to believe what you believe in order to feel justified... be a free spirit and enjoy this time we are given.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: NariusFractal]
    #7874624 - 01/13/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

intellectual potheads ftw :thumbup:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Continuum]
    #7874708 - 01/13/08 06:19 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

well. ive been smoknig for 5 years. when i was introduced to weed, i thought to myself

HOLY SHIT.

this shit makes everything so much better! so much more fun!

i was 14. i was depressed, as many teenagers get, and that "depression" still lingers with me to this day - and i think at this point, the weed is encouraging it to remain.

i am one of the people that smoke every chance they get - sometimes even before work. i smoke blunts, i love blunts. but i am one of those people who get lazy and unproductive when they smoke.

there is one good reason why i need to quit - to get a very good paying job. i know i could get fake pee, but come on... it's not reliable enough, and i need to cut back or quit anyway.

i need to do something, because more and more and i think i am deeply psychologically addicted to weed.

i dug myself quite a hole, but i will climb my way out of it!

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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: manyc]
    #7874759 - 01/13/08 06:29 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I smoke weed and weed only everyday and my lungs are FUCKED. The fact that thc opens your airways doesn't do shit for getting rid of the tar. I don't cough up resin balls, do you? Looking inside any bong will tell you that weed is chock full of tar and shit. I really like smoking weed but theres no reason to deny its side effects. I know I would be better off without it.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: manyc]
    #7874788 - 01/13/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Smoking is not good for your lungs. But, neither is eating fast food. Live life a little.




if this was a response to me, then just to clarify, im not saying people shouldn't "live a little". that would make me one hell of a hypocrite. the difference is you're at least smart enough to be able to acknowledge that smoking weed every day isn't good for your lungs.

it's when people start posting things like "Marijuana doesn't cause damage to your respiratory system, give it up" i feel like not only is this information misleading and potentially dangerous but it also makes stoners look like delusional idiots or addicts in denial. anyone agree?


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: jellyfish]
    #7874806 - 01/13/08 06:38 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Marijuana tar doesn't stick to your lungs lol, you cough it up right after you smoke. It's called mucous discharge.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7874819 - 01/13/08 06:41 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Smoking is not good for your lungs. But, neither is eating fast food. Live life a little.




if this was a response to me, then just to clarify, im not saying people shouldn't "live a little". that would make me one hell of a hypocrite. the difference is you're at least smart enough to be able to acknowledge that smoking weed every day isn't good for your lungs.

it's when people start posting things like "Marijuana doesn't cause damage to your respiratory system, give it up" i feel like not only is this information misleading and potentially dangerous but it also makes stoners look like delusional idiots or addicts in denial. anyone agree?




You don't even have an argument fool. I guarantee I know more about pot than you or anyone else who is trying to argue with me. Give me one good reason why it hurts your respiratory system. You're ignorant, I used to think just like you.. until I learned that I was wrong. But unlike you, I can accept it.


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    #7874826 - 01/13/08 06:42 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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I'm stupid? Get the fuck out of here. You cough up marijuana tar with mucous, it doesn't stay in your lugs. It's nothing like cigarette tar, thc opens the airways in your lungs. Marijuana smokers have healthy lungs, unless they smoke cigarettes. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, keep trying though.


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i posted the most recent study of anyone in this thread and you didn't even attempt to refute it. i've read nearly every study ever published about marijuana and the respiratory system. on what do you base the implication that i haven't done research?




well for one, you don't know what you're talking about. I'm done wasting my time on you ignorant fools, you can go learn this shit for yourself.

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do you even know what a bong is? it is a device which COOLS down the smoke.






Well at least you're intelligent HAHA. Smoke can still be hot even if it's cooled, that's the only reason why it "hurts". I don't even cough anymore when I smoke. Here's an idea, how about you tell me why it's harmful to the respiratory system and then I'll tell you why you're wrong.



yes you are stupid like when i hear breathing in fiberglass particles isnt bad for health a bong is used for that yes but it also filters particles by the way when i smoked bud every day all day i had bronchitis about 5 to 6 times a year now that i qiut i only had it one time this year i also could not run or workout worth shit compared to now im not saying its worse then tabbaco but it is not good for you .


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7874841 - 01/13/08 06:45 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Haha! You can't even write a halfway decent sentence, and you're calling me stupid? I can't even understand what you said. What does a bong have to do with anything? And how the hell are fiberglass particles relevant to anything?


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