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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7869659 - 01/12/08 04:25 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

alright well congratulations bro good vibes your way then. if that's how you feel, that's how you feel ya know. i can respect that.

plus i'm tired of arguing i gotta get back to the football game..


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7869676 - 01/12/08 04:29 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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You don't know me at all, so stop pretending like you do. You guys don't know what you're talking about. Damage to the respiratory system? I'm not even going to waste my time on that.




once again, if you don't think that smoking marijuana damages the respiratory system it serves as more evidence of it's tendency to cause its users to become delusional about the affects of the drug.

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Okay, it might cause very mild psychosis with some people. It slightly affects your memory, but not as much as anybody thinks. Everybody who smokes blames their memory problems on weed, but my friend who hasn't smoked in 8 months has just as many if not more memory problems as I do. What else does it do? Enlighten me.




so if you admit that it slightly affects memory, that's a NEW problem and you've already gone back and contradicted your prior statement that it never causes any new problems. like i said, the truth is that marijuana has the potential to cause a variety of new problems. and this varies very much person and by person and by how much and how often they use it. like the other people in this thread, i am not trying to say marijuana should be illegal. i am just giving my opinion that habitual use can potentially cause problems. also, couldn't having your existing problems amplified technically be considered a new problem?

i mean if you give amphetamines to an insomniac and he complains he can't sleep and you say "well don't blame the amphetamines, i remember you having trouble sleeping even before you started doing speed. don't ever blame any of your problems on speed." that is just stupid.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7869707 - 01/12/08 04:35 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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You don't think I've ever quit? For fuck's sake, chill with the assumptions and pothead stereotypes.




what are you talking about? you are the one who said you would never quit, not us.


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I'm not claiming weed doesn't have it's downside, it's just not as bad as 99% of people think. When you start to smoke you realize it's not as bad as people have told you your whole life..




my whole life people told me weed was harmless, non addictive and that it should be legalized, even non smokers told me this. when i started to smoke i realized it was much worse than what people had told me.

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You're confusing this with "smokers having a false certainty that it's harmless". I know it can change some people, but only if you let it. It made me a BETTER person. So just because you're a loser when you smoke, doesn't mean everybody is.




i too once thought that marijuana made me a better person. that is what is so dangerous about marijuana. unlike other drugs, they don't trick you into thinking they are good for you. now i'm not saying marijuana hasn't made you a better person. marijuana is a psychedelic and as such can bring about higher states of consciousness which can indeed bring you to certain realizations which make you a better person.

but knowing precisely when it's beginning to hinder you rather than advance you is very tricky and this is where many people run into trouble. now i'm not saying you're one of them, i'm simply challenging your rash statements that mariijuana never causes any new problems for anyone.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7870645 - 01/12/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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Caribou_Lou said: I know it can change some people, but only if you let it. It made me a BETTER person. So just because you're a loser when you smoke, doesn't mean everybody is.




yeeeaa:thumbup:
smoking bud has made me a waay better person
i still do wat i gotta do.. just smoke some bowls in between:bongload:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: xpl0de]
    #7870782 - 01/12/08 08:30 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

you know, i get the same thing. but i love it. it's all about regulating your own life. i smoke weed every night but i make sure i get my shit done when i'm not high.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7871233 - 01/12/08 10:13 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

weed is sick, but ive learned that different types of weed get you different highs. not like the difference between say...kush and sour diesel but like weed from the US and weed from jamaica. weed is the US just kinda makes you sleepy and want to just chill out, jamaican weed makes me wanna get out and do something like a walk in the woods and whatnot or maybe start a revolution... i dunno just a thought


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: skiihigh]
    #7871860 - 01/13/08 12:37 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

i haven't smoked weed from different continents but once you smoke a ton of weed it kind of all becomes the same, no matter where it's from. just like once you've taken a ton of benzodiazepines, they all become the same regardless of how different they are to new users.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: skiihigh]
    #7871910 - 01/13/08 12:50 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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skiihigh said:
weed is sick, but ive learned that different types of weed get you different highs. not like the difference between say...kush and sour diesel but like weed from the US and weed from jamaica. weed is the US just kinda makes you sleepy and want to just chill out, jamaican weed makes me wanna get out and do something like a walk in the woods and whatnot or maybe start a revolution... i dunno just a thought




that's because most strains in the US are indica (couch lock) and most in jamacia are sativa, apparently.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7871994 - 01/13/08 01:06 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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i haven't smoked weed from different continents but once you smoke a ton of weed it kind of all becomes the same, no matter where it's from. just like once you've taken a ton of benzodiazepines, they all become the same regardless of how different they are to new users.




oh believe me i have smoked my fair share of weed. word then im definatly a sativa fan, but i like both but one is just more inspiring


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7872017 - 01/13/08 01:13 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I smoke once or twice a week by myself, its therapy for my psyche. Fears come to the forefront from my subconscious and I can then deal with them.

I used to smoke everyday with so called friends and it sucked, I felt so lazy, unproductive and sleepy. I'm glad I took some steps and straightened myself out.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7872021 - 01/13/08 01:14 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Marijuana is not harmful to the respiratory system. THC is toxic in some way to old weak lung cells. When you smoke dro it burns more because there is more THC killing old lung cells. These old lung cells are what become cancerous, this is how marijuana prevents lung cancer. Also marijuana is a bronchial dilater, unlike tobacco which is a bronchial constrictor. By the vessels being dilated they can clean the lungs of tar much faster, preventing damage being done to the lungs. But with ciggarettes, they are greatly constricted, so tar sits in the lungs for longs periods of time.

Also since Marijuana dilates the bronchial vessels you can actually breathe better after recently smoking, and then the bronchials will return to normal size and you can breathe normal again. but with Tobacco the bronchial's will stay constricted for long periods of time depending on how much you smoke, making it always slightly harder to breathe. so basically I'm saying, marijuana doesn't make it harder to be athletic. That's all in your head.

*EDIT: My source for all of this was the largest study of it's kind to determine if cannabis causes lung cancer. Professor Tashkin (I think) is the one who was head of the study. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729.html


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7872105 - 01/13/08 01:35 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

cancer is the least of my worriess. it is the studies which show a link between cannabis smoking and lung function which reveal the truth.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7872119 - 01/13/08 01:40 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

That was included in the study I believe...

*EDIT: In fact I explained why marijuana doesn't decrease lung function, read the second paragraph.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7872141 - 01/13/08 01:50 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

i've read many studies which show that it does impair lung function.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7872155 - 01/13/08 01:56 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Dr. Tashkin's is one of the most recent, it IS the largest, and many say is the most reliable source of valid information. you may have read Dr. Tashkin's previous study, which the government used as it's source to justify saying that marijuana causes cancer, and brain damage.


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7872203 - 01/13/08 02:26 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

This is strange to me...

I've been smoking for 4 years and ever since then I've made tons of friends that share the common interest

Even back in high school I started to get better grades because I knew I could come home and reward myself with relief of that day's stress

I think it may just be because I don't treat it like a drug, It's more of an enlightened state of mind to me than some crappy intoxicant.

It may just be my "hippy" state of mind of peace and sharing though..


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: SunshineSuperman]
    #7872213 - 01/13/08 02:34 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

i for one did not have freinds or goals before pot :wink:


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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7872730 - 01/13/08 09:38 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Interesting discussion.

I've been smoking weed everyday for a couple of years now. Recently I've been thinking about decreasing my consumption. I sometimes feel that I am not accomplishing anything, losing my time being high and all that jazz. On the other hand, why should I complain? I recently bought a house, I have a rewarding enough position at the government, I recently recorded an album, I have my own little home studio where I can do my things, I have a nice girlfriend and we're thinking about having a baby. That's for the "material" part. I am also in good physical, mental and emotional health, I help others around me, I make them laugh, they make me laugh, I enjoy my time with friends etc...

So what I figured is this: pot makes me rethink my life over and over. again. Am I satisfied with what I am, what I got? And sometimes I realize that no, I am not. So I keep working on the grey areas and make my way. The weed is an ally. It shows you what you can improve, but also what you have achieved. Does a joint a day affects how I take decisions, how I orient my life? Maybe. Maybe I take my time to make decisions, too much time perhaps. But at least those decisions are always justified and carefully thought over.

Did I decide to reduce my consumption? Yes, I did. Why? Not because I believe that it makes me antisocial or unmotivated (so does TV by the way. 4 hours of TV a day for the average american!). Not because I think it affects my health in a dramatic way (nutrition and exercise are the keys for health, simple as that). The reason why I chose to reduce my consumption is simply because I want to take more time doing exercise and reading, and less asking myself tons of questions. At some point in my life, I had much questioning to do about myself and the world. Right now, I guess, with the help of shrooms, too, I am pretty comfortable with my life situation.

Am I going to continue smoking weed? Of course! My psyche needs constant re-examination, I will still have important decisions to make, and pot helps. At least for myself.

Anyway. Enough.

Peace guys.
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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: Babylon2012]
    #7872753 - 01/13/08 09:45 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Interesting discussion.

I've been smoking weed everyday for a couple of years now. Recently I've been thinking about decreasing my consumption. I sometimes feel that I am not accomplishing anything, losing my time being high and all that jazz. On the other hand, why should I complain? I recently bought a house, I have a rewarding enough position at the government, I recently recorded an album, I have my own little home studio where I can do my things, I have a nice girlfriend and we're thinking about having a baby. That's for the "material" part. I am also in good physical, mental and emotional health, I help others around me, I make them laugh, they make me laugh, I enjoy my time with friends etc...

So what I figured is this: pot makes me rethink my life over and over. again. Am I satisfied with what I am, what I got? And sometimes I realize that no, I am not. So I keep working on the grey areas and make my way. The weed is an ally. It shows you what you can improve, but also what you have achieved. Does a joint a day affects how I take decisions, how I orient my life? Maybe. Maybe I take my time to make decisions, too much time perhaps. But at least those decisions are always justified and carefully thought over.

Did I decide to reduce my consumption? Yes, I did. Why? Not because I believe that it makes me antisocial or unmotivated (so does TV by the way. 4 hours of TV a day for the average american!). Not because I think it affects my health in a dramatic way (nutrition and exercise are the keys for health, simple as that). The reason why I chose to reduce my consumption is simply because I want to take more time doing exercise and reading, and less asking myself tons of questions. At some point in my life, I had much questioning to do about myself and the world. Right now, I guess, with the help of shrooms, too, I am pretty comfortable with my life situation.

Am I going to continue smoking weed? Of course! My psyche needs constant re-examination, I will still have important decisions to make, and pot helps. At least for myself.

Anyway. Enough.

Peace guys.
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Re: Habitual Marijuana Use [Re: porcupine]
    #7872908 - 01/13/08 10:55 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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porcupine said:
i've read many studies which show that it does impair lung function.




You're wrong. :thumbdown: You're so wrong that I don't even feel like arguing about it.


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