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blissedout


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Overdoses.
#7869079 - 01/12/08 01:23 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Since December 26th, I have known of 6 people that have died of an overdose. What's the deal? You think the holidays make people more prone to depression? Maybe it makes them more prone to 'celebrating'? Or maybe they just have more money from gifts and they just want to get fucked up more. Whatever it is, it has hit close to home a little too often for my liking. I don't like to hear of anyone dying, but 4 people that have been pretty close acquaintances mixed benzos and opiates and in one case benzos, heroin, ghb, and alcohol(fucking STUPID!!). People are just dumb and crazy. Never a good combination. The thing is, that a couple of the people weren't that stupid. They just made the wrong decisions. The end. They lose. I hate it for their families the most, though. They leave so much sorrow in their wake. In some cases they leave more sorrow than happiness from the course of their lives. So sad and pointless.
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I just noticed that my threads have been pretty depressing lately. Illnesses. Overdoses. Yay!! Happy new years!!
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a close friend of mine overdosed a week ago... sux
but yea... people are prone to depression in the winter because of less sunlight. serious thing. google higher suicide rates during winter
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Re: Overdoses. [Re: Cubie]
#7869119 - 01/12/08 01:39 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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I'm sorry blissed...I don't have any answers for you. I wish I did. Some people are just really sad, I guess.
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Hey Bom. It's good to see you posting while I'm here. I hardly run into you these days. I am without internet and have been for awhile now. I just get on friends' comps when I can, or go to the library.
I just never get used to hearing about people doing stupid things and losing their lives for it. That's a good thing I guess. I would hate to get desensitized in that way.
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sounds to me like these weren't all intentional though (like maybe at least one or two of em were people just trying to have a good time who simply mixed the wrong drugs in the wrong amounts) but I dunno...I may be wrong about that
did they all have notes bliss
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Re: Overdoses. [Re: Muppet]
#7869148 - 01/12/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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None of them were intentional. One girl, the one that took ghb, heroin, and xanax while drinking, was found in the back seat of her car with no purse, keys, or phone. I think someone left her when they found out that she had ODed. Her boyfriend ODed a week later.
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yeah...that's kinda what I was thinking
chances are that people are just overdoing it because this time of year tends to put people in a bit of a slum (what with the weather an all) so they're going out of their way to try an do some shit that they think will help put them in a better mood
and some people just take it *too* far
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one of my uncles died at 40 speedballing on Christmas eve, guess what the kids found when they came down to open presents.
I haven't had any friends die lately. They used to die a lot back when we were 18 for a few years. Now I just stay away from the scenes. I feel like a vulture cuz i feel like a couple of my friends might go out sometime soon. Sometimes I feel like one of my friends tries to kill himself with his coke/base addiction. He tried sucking me into it a few years back. I knew him for 20 years. He then told me to not let him do it. WTF! I got my own addictions and tendencies. Give me a few beers, and if someone says something I just might take em up on it. I realized I had to save myself. I couldn't save him from himself.
But back in the day I used to hang with all the crews that got fucked up. 16 years old hanging out with old punk crews. Syringes and crack and overdoses and tones of Jack Daniels and Jim Beam. I hung out cuz the shit was raw. It was entertaining to a point. I observed the idiosyncratic behaviors much like a science project. I tasted but never bit the bait and took the hook. Half those people are dead, in jail, or did radical life changes. Others are just lost in limbo, living for that moments itch.
But they days will get warmer and peoples spirits will get more lifted as the sun warms the lands.
I just picked this book up as a gift. Dharma Punx by Noah Levine http://www.dharmapunx.com/ I think someone must have seen the similarities.
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im sorry blissed. i know the feeling.
i have several freinds who i worry about daily. some have sectiond themselfs off. cutting all not dope related ties to the outside world. and to some extent i know its just a matter of time. i wish i could do somthing
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Re: Overdoses. [Re: Muppet]
#7869301 - 01/12/08 02:40 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Muppet said: yeah...that's kinda what I was thinking
chances are that people are just overdoing it because this time of year tends to put people in a bit of a slum (what with the weather an all) so they're going out of their way to try an do some shit that they think will help put them in a better mood
and some people just take it *too* far
The weather here has been mostly in the 60s, though. I think the holidays just tend to make people more loose and crazy.
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Warm weather doesn't affect when sunrise/sunset occurs. It isn't temperature that depresses people, it's lack of sunlight. It's called Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD). Look it up.
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Yes there is such thing as Seasonal Effective Disorder (SAD) also known as winter depression. I think I read it had something to do with less light during those months. While SAD does exist, the myth of more people committing suicide during the winter is not true and statistics show it remains constant. What ever the cause I hope things get better for you your family and friends.
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Quote:
the myth of more people committing suicide during the winter is not true and statistics show it remains constant.
My aunt who is a nurse told me once that old people in nursing homes etc. tend to die around spring.
With overdoses it is always hard to estimate how much of it was intentional overdose and how much was excessive dosing in the euphoria of the moment. There is a trend with Ecstasy fatalities that people are absolutely smashed on E and in their raging euphoria take all the pills they have left, due to impaired judgement and miscalculation of total dosage and the passing of time. For this reason its best not to have more than 4 E's on you.
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Re: Overdoses. [Re: Asante]
#7869430 - 01/12/08 03:23 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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if it wasn't for my unique tolerance to benzos/alcohol(and probably opiates) I would most definitely be dead right now
I mixed 40 1mg xanax, a big can of beer and oxy's(don't remember how many) most ppl would have died and I know that I'm lucky to be alive
2 days after this wrecklessness(that a word?) my life was FLIPPED upside down and I was forced to face my fears and addictions
1 horrible event after another which shook me to my core...and I thank god for the pain I faced everyday...I can't say I thank him for everything that happened cause it involves someone I care deeply for and the damage it did to her will probably always make it a negative...but the pain I had to face and eventually rise above was a good thing and maybe someday it will become a good thing for her as well(I can only hope)
divine kick in the ass is what I Like to think of it as
the more xanax I take the less I care what happens...I knew full well I Could die and continued anyways...just tempting fate with each gulp
things were actually starting to go pretty well for me at this point in my life too but heaven forbid I allow myself to feel happiness...I had to ruin it...but like I said it turned out to be a blessin in disguise(for me at least)
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Re: Overdoses. [Re: Asante]
#7869443 - 01/12/08 03:26 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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E has never once made me feel like wrecklessly indulging
so I disagree with the whole "4 E's on you" thing somewhat...maybe this is best for some but I know there are many ppl who could have 100 pills on them and not take anymore then they need
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Thanks for the good and well informed posts, guys. I have a better perspective on things with the help of different views. That is what i love about this place. So many views. So much knowledge. You just have to filter through the bullshit sometimes. Luckily there has been little bs in this thread.
I hung out with a friend that is trying to halt his benzo dependance. I smoked him out all night, while he kept getting sick and heaving. It wasn't pretty. This morning a friend that has kicked opiates talked with his dad who is a doctor and his dad gave me about 20 30mg phenobarbitols to give to my friend to help him get some rest throughout his withdrawals. Which I though was pretty damn cool of the guy's dad. Anyway, it's been a tiring 24 hours to say the least. I tried to stay up with him all night, but I ended up passing out for 2 hours at 6:30am. He's feeling better now that he has something to ease his mind that's not a xanax.
EDIT-He was taking 6-8 xanax bars a day and functioning. This went on for about a year or 2.
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people od because their life is shit, there's no big mystery behind that one.
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Whether one's life is shit or not doesn't necessarilly make it any less mysterious, imo. That's why it baffles me to see one so casually throw care and love of life to the wayside.
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A lot of people don't love life and couldn't care less. Some do and make really bad mistakes..
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if it "baffles" you maybe you haven't learned some important lessons in life. as in some people have experiences that numb their senses towards any love or care. so if you can't sense love then love doesn't exist for them and that's basically it.
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I understand what you're saying. I just have a love of life through really fucked up experiences that have happened throughout my lifetime.
It doesn't really baffle me. That was maybe the wrong choice of wording. It just sort of lets me down. I like people, but am very sceptical as to their intent most of the time. I want to believe that they will do the right thing. Call me a cynical optimist.
Sometimes I think that people just need to stop, take a deep breath, and think about what they are doing. I understand that some people just don't care. I don't expect them to change except through their own choosing.
Change is something that one does in one's self. Whether it be good or bad. All I can hope for is for people to be positively influenced by the change that I try and create within myself. I can't help but be influenced by the actions of the people that affect my life and the people in my circles of friends.
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death is inevitable, it is the largest lesson of life, the culmination. when you examine a persons priorities, it is easy to see that the people that accidentally OD may have loved life, but they were more drawn to the drugs. this should be obvious. but in reality, the drugs are just as much a part of life as everything else. when someone accidentally ODs (and dies) they reach the culmination of their quest for the most fucked up they can get. that may sound harsh, but spells itself out pretty easily.
when someone commits suicide by way of ODing, it is not so much about the drugs as it is the person. again, when looking at their priorities, it is easy to see that people that are depressed, all year round or just during the winter (are you seasonly affected? you must be SAD lol), derive the meaning in their life from choosing to identify with depression. what is the appitomy of depression? i have been depressed and it is deeply alluring. it is itself a very deep state of mind. on the other hand, happiness is very shallow. it is easy to see why people explore the deep waters of depression, there is not much to being happy. killing yourself is the appitomy of depression, it is a celebration for reaching the bottom of that ocean, you could say.
i may come off as insensitive, but my belief is that we have all chosen to be here, exactly where we are, to live the life we are living right now, whatever it may be.
this belief comes from the idea that when we die, we go through a number of stages of death. the last stage of death, if we have not yet chosen to expand our awareness into infinity, is to choose the life that we will live next. this idea was written down in the books of the dead (Tibetan and Egyptian) and is somewhat related to karma, but it is something much more instinctual for me.
the clairvoyant Ross Peterson once said in a trance reading on the subject of enlightenment, "each soul must recognize that it comes from God, that it is of God, that it is part of God, and that the original separation was by choice. And the Purpose of the series of earthly lives is to return to the beginning-union with the Godhead"
he also talked about how souls are aware of the destiny of the bodies they are going to inhabit. i can't let someones death derail me because in choosing life we have also chosen death. people are dieing all over the earth right now, this very second, as you read this. if we don't realize death was our choice when we chose life, it is the most painful thing there is.
so because of this belief i do not see death as being anywhere remotely sad or depressing. i just don't choose that existence. i see every death as the ultimate celebration of life. everyones life is different so everyones celebration must be for different reasons and everyone celebrates differently.
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Alot of what you say reflects my views, as well, but I disagree about happiness being shallow. Happiness is relative. One's happiness is measured in various ways, with results varying from person to person. Even the term 'happiness' is interpreted differently by each of us. What makes us happy? Whatever it happens to be, I definitely think that true happiness can be as complex as the darkest recesses of depression. That's just from my experiences.
You bring good talk to the discussion, though. Thanks you.
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it can be dangerous for someone to quit xanax cold turkey, especially if the individual has taken 4mgs for over 12 weeks. Theres a risk of seizure.
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While the severity and incidence of withdrawal phenomena appear to be related to dose and duration of treatment, withdrawal symptoms, including seizures, have been reported after only brief therapy with alprazolam at doses within the recommended range for the treatment of anxiety (e.g., 0.75 to 4 mg/day). Signs and symptoms of withdrawal are often more prominent after rapid decrease of dosage or abrupt discontinuance. The risk of withdrawal seizures may be increased at doses above 4 mg/day.
Patients, especially individuals with a history of seizures or epilepsy, should not be abruptly discontinued from any CNS depressant agent, including alprazolam. It is recommended that all patients on alprazolam who require a dosage reduction be gradually tapered under close supervision.
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Yeah, I've been reading up on it. My friend seems to be doing alright. I am keeping a close eye on him and have scored him some phenobarbitol to help reduce the risk of seizure. I have him take 30mg evey 8-12 hours. So far so good. Wish us luck.
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good luck, blissedout.
i have several acquaintances that aren't close to me enough to be called friends but anyway i know them and get along with them. a few of them are suicidal, have been in institutions and one of them is currently on the run from a mental hospital. i've seen lots of depressing stuff but unfortunately i've never had to bury a friend.
if you take it all too seriously the burden can crush you.
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"each soul must recognize that it comes from God, that it is of God, that it is part of God, and that the original separation was by choice. And the Purpose of the series of earthly lives is to return to the beginning-union with the Godhead"
thats a very profound statement which coincides with what I've been saying for a long time
I often wonder if god is our future collective selves...but does that mean we become what created us? how is that even possible? is such an impossibility just another expression of perfection
was jesus actually a perfect child spawned from this future collective self(which would be capable of analyzing all ppl and basically breeding selection/perfection) a child in contact with the collective through all time and space without the need for technology(I'm assuming that the collective would be a mix of organic humans and machines/computers...if this is the case the internet is actually a stepping stone and a key ingredient in the evolution of our species) so was jesus a child spawned from this future mix of technology and biology which was sent back to carry out the exact set of events it needed to either ensure its existence in the future or to propel its future self into perfection)
just some theorys which have crossed my mind...but the quote you posted I feel is pure truth regardless of wheather my theory has an accuracy to it at all
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