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Offlinepsychejam
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Be honest...
    #7868613 - 01/12/08 10:34 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I'd be very surprised if there was someone here who doesn't have any form of a persistent perception disorder caused by hallucinogens, whether it be full blown HPPD or even mild static vision/floaters/after-images/halos (etc) that wasn't noticable before tripping.

There seems to be an awful lot of people here who have mentioned some sort of vision abnormalities that have come about due to the use of psychedelics, and I think that, in some way or another, hallucinogens permanently effect people - although some can handle it better than others.

On a personal note, I've noticed very mild static and after-images since I tripped, and I pray that it will go away eventually.

Another point that I'd like to mention is that we, as a community, frequently fail to warn noobie trippers of the very real and very permanent damage that these drugs can cause... I paid the price for not doing enough research regarding the perceptual and visual changes that psychedelics can cause in the long term. When I mention these 'changes'; some can be minor, others can be quite major and highly distressing for an individual - I've read some of the horror stories of people developing HPPD, and it sounds like a living hell - I'm very glad I knew where to draw the line when it came to tripping.

I don't mean to have a digg at the shroomery - I love you guys! But I just think that we could discuss and mention these dangers a bit more in-depth with people who are keen to trip...there is a big chance that these drugs can cause changes in their life that they aren't quite ready for.

/Rant over!


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Re: Be honest... [Re: psychejam]
    #7868622 - 01/12/08 10:38 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I haz deh tinnitus. Since I waz kid. Same same after trippin'


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Re: Be honest... [Re: honeypotty]
    #7868643 - 01/12/08 10:50 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

i think everyone may always have had distortion in their vision, i get it in my peripherals for as long as i could remember, after tripping for a few years i'd say i havent changed at all in that aspect although noticing these distortions i am becoming more aware of them i sometimes even look for them to happen, not bad at all, if it stays like this which i think it probably will. if it gets worse i'll probly chill on psychedelics for a while, you are playing with the brain chemistry. but am i worried about any permanent damage to my perception, nope.


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Re: Be honest... [Re: PreparationH]
    #7868650 - 01/12/08 10:53 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

i do agree ever since i started tripping and smoking bud even ill get maybe some tracers or other minor things mainly in my peripheral vision. I think tripping just trains ur eyes to look at things differently


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Re: Be honest... [Re: xpl0de]
    #7868664 - 01/12/08 10:59 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I think of it as a whole new way of seeing the world. except tinitus, that just sucks...

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Re: Be honest... [Re: radar_rider]
    #7868672 - 01/12/08 11:04 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

everyone i meet that i talk to says after they tripped their first time something in them "changed" and i keep pushing it and talking about it with the person and in the end 100% of the time so far, i've had people say the change was for the better. including myself, i think after my first trip, a floodgate in my mind was lifted, i became more intelligent of my existence in some sort. i changed my life around from where i was headed after i found mushrooms.


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Re: Be honest... [Re: PreparationH]
    #7868686 - 01/12/08 11:11 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Mushroom helps your eyesight google the stoned ape theroy


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Re: Be honest... [Re: Cubie]
    #7868746 - 01/12/08 11:34 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

really, in my opinion, if your tripping once a week, and smoking alot of pot, then yeah, you could end up pretty fried out.

Its not something we need to "warn" everyone about, its that we need to educate people to have a healthy respect for these entheogens. Limiting your use to the times when it will be beneficial, not just cuz you wanna get fucked up.

Tripping once maybe twice a month is pretty damn safe though. Long as your not schizophrenic or something


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Re: Be honest... [Re: origami.octopus]
    #7869155 - 01/12/08 01:53 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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Re: Be honest... [Re: psychejam]
    #7869291 - 01/12/08 02:37 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Yes there is some mild static in my vision and my general quality of my sober CEVs might be more defined than other people.

I admit it!

It really isn't generally noticeable, bothersome, or negative in any way though.


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Re: Be honest... [Re: Amber_Glow]
    #7869297 - 01/12/08 02:39 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

yap.. it's not really bothersome unless i get really hungry or dehydrated.. then it's just kinda cool and distracting..


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Re: Be honest... [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7869316 - 01/12/08 02:46 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I really think a lot of this is just noticing stuff better.

I distinctly remember doing things as a little kid like staring at a pieced of grass until it looked like it was moving.  I think people shut  things like that out of their brain, but basically reality is just perception and it's a lot more malleable than many people believe.

Don't worry about your HPPD.  That's a pretty bullshit term anyways.

And I think HPPD is probably the least life changing effect of tripping.  I would warn new trippers much more about a shattering of their current paradigm than I would about seeing tracers while sober.

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Re: Be honest... [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7869318 - 01/12/08 02:46 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

people don't get floaters from psychedelics. using them just makes you more apt to notice them, which is probably the case for a lot of the things you say

there is crazy shit in your vision that you might not notice otherwise, if you hadn't started using psychedelics, so I don't wholly agree with you


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Re: Be honest... [Re: xpl0de]
    #7869319 - 01/12/08 02:48 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

i agree - it blasts open your third eye, so obviously.. you're gonna start looking at EVERYTHING a little harder. :laugh:


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Re: Be honest... [Re: im_on_a_boat]
    #7869328 - 01/12/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

As I was lying on my bed, staring up at my popcorn ceiling (I live in a 1980s home) within seconds it would flow like kelp on the ocean floor: swaying with the current.

The next day, I tried it again and it took half a minute, but the ceiling flowed! A week later, it takes a minute of focusing without blinking my eyes, but it still flows. However, it is very mild and was not as strong as the night of my mild trip.

When I stare at an inanimate object, it will appear to bulge, breathe and recede. My friend has the exact same thing.

Before I tripped, I always saw an aura around light bulbs. It was a rainbow comprised of the most dominant colors in the spectrum that that particular bulb was emitting.


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Re: Be honest... [Re: Grylls]
    #7869383 - 01/12/08 03:07 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I'm pretty sure we've always seen stuff that isn't there, and just dismissed it because there was no explanation for it. Now that we have tripped and seen more vivid hallucinations we just blame it on the drugs. It's kinda like marijuana, people think it makes them lazy, because they were lazy to begin with.

Or when people can't remember something, they automatically assume it's from the weed. That's just human nature.

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Grylls said:
Before I tripped, I always saw an aura around light bulbs. It was a rainbow comprised of the most dominant colors in the spectrum that that particular bulb was emitting.




Me too when I was driving on the highway with my parents as a kid, I would always glare my eyes at the light bulbs and see the light spectrum as a perfect circle around the bulb.

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Seventy said:
people don't get floaters from psychedelics. using them just makes you more apt to notice them, which is probably the case for a lot of the things you say

there is crazy shit in your vision that you might not notice otherwise, if you hadn't started using psychedelics, so I don't wholly agree with you




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Re: Be honest... [Re: g00ru]
    #7870367 - 01/12/08 07:01 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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guruu said:
I really think a lot of this is just noticing stuff better.

I distinctly remember doing things as a little kid like staring at a pieced of grass until it looked like it was moving.




holy fuckin shit man - that just gave me a childhood flashback!!

it reminded me of when my dad would bring me and my family to church (i have revoked my Catholicism.) , and there was the prayer room. it was a darkened room full of candles that you light for your prayer.

there's a statue of mary at the forefront, and when i was a kid i would stare at it for long periods of time, because while my dad was praying.. i surely wasnt praying. i was just being a kid, trying to entertain myself. well, i saw the statue move. i cant remember if it was the eyes or the whole head but... yup. i would tell my dad and he'd be like yeh, you're special. hahaha.

thank you for invoking such a lost memory.


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Re: Be honest... [Re: manyc]
    #7870672 - 01/12/08 08:03 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

i tend to get moments when i see paterns over my normal field of vision or things become extremely significant (things also tend to breath but they moved and breathed before) but i wouldent consider either one a pain in the ass really and i did not get these before hallucinagens although i dont know if they caused them or not.

Also ever since my first mushroom trip one eighth i have had a major improvement in vision my vision went frrom 20/20 to 20/15 its nuts colours are brighter and more vibrant funny i recently came across a video where terrenence mckenna talks about how psilicin can increase eye sight


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Re: Be honest... [Re: awesomebastard]
    #7870692 - 01/12/08 08:08 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I've got real quick tracers, and when I move a lot (like when I play squash) I see explosions of particles...

I don't know what it is, like a lot of white little spots going everywhere in my vision. Funny to look at :crazy2:


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Re: Be honest... [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #7871863 - 01/13/08 12:38 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I have much more vivid and colorful close eyed visuals when I'm sober now. Likely because I see how beautiful they are when I trip.

Also, after a few rounds of Guitar Hero, if I stare at something off-screen, it starts bending and flowing. Tho I think that might just be from watching dots coming at me for 30 minutes and my depth perception is all f'ed up.


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Re: Be honest... [Re: BoulderBoomer]
    #7871970 - 01/13/08 01:01 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

ya,

After effects can really bother some people.

They bothered the hell out of me after about 170 trips on lsd and the more ummmm, natural psychedelics...........lol
I learned alot from it.
I took psychedelics very seriously after my first few trips.
Visual after effects are nothing.

Those will be ever present but will subside over time to some degree.

The cognitive effects are what scares people most when they are "deep in it".
Thats what hppd is made of.
Not these bullshit "flashbacks".

What you speak of is common, and im the last person to tell people that there are not certain side effects to these hallucinogens.

Just be careful(not too careful).
Know your dome.
DOnt fuck with psychedelics unless you take them seriously.
That would be my last piece of advise.
I dont think many people here are willing to acknowledge that yes, they can hurt you. If they do hurt you you need to deal with that and turn that shit around any way you can.
This sure as hell doesnt mean you are weak in any way.


This shit is as serious as the sun.

Dont fuck with it. It can bite you in the ass even if you are the most experienced tripper EVER.

Thats the problem with the unspeakable.
It will never be your best friend.

I hope you people handle it well.
There is NOTHING like feeling as if you are not at home in your own head.

When the overminds take over you will never be the same, and you need to come to terms with that.
Visual after effects dont mean shit, although they may be an indicator of what you have seen but never quite grasped.

I feel sorry for those who have seen but get stuck and cant deal with what they have put their organic brain through.
That shit is hard to understand.


I understand why this guy made this post.
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Re: Be honest... [Re: yageman]
    #7875348 - 01/13/08 08:01 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

yageman said:
Just be careful(not too careful).
Know your dome.
DOnt fuck with psychedelics unless you take them seriously.
That would be my last piece of advise.





No kidding..

For several months after a 6 gram mushroom trip of absurdly potent cubes (keep in mind I had tripped hard on mush & L many times before) I had ripples, shifting tectonic plates, and flowing water type visual distortions on EVERYTHING. It not only made me think about mushrooms constantly but it also made me feel like I was in some constant identity crisis. My life is just too busy and was particularly full of drama at that point and it was a very unpleasant experience to work though..

With that being said I am never willing to push a psychedelic on a friend, I always say the same thing which is I can neither discourage them nor can I recommend it to them, it is a decision someone has to make completely on their own. I also think people should make it CRYSTAL CLEAR to themselves WHY they are choosing to use a psychedelic in the first place.

If people use some responsibility and don't abuse by tripping all the time and taking too many monster doses I doubt these problems would occur (if it is a problem for the individual in question), although I confess I screwed around a lot before figuring that out.

Since about August or so I don't trip more than once every month or two and I keep my doses fairly small, might vape some DMT every once in a while, which is the only extreme experience I still put myself through. Besides for an occasional "LSD-ish" type episode that I have experienced a few times from getting stupidly high on hash/ganja, I never have prolonged effects anymore, and I'm feeling pretty damn good!


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Re: Be honest... [Re: Dioxyde]
    #7875537 - 01/13/08 08:30 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

I had HPPD for about 6-8 months after I had tripped nearly every week for 6 months straight.
However, that has completely subsided and now my vision is back to its (bad) normal self and I still trip about once every 3 months.

HPPD doesn't happen to everyone.


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Re: Be honest... [Re: psychejam]
    #7875625 - 01/13/08 08:45 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

i never got floater till i messed with hallucinogens and the floaters didn't appear until about 2-3 months after.

they don't bother me since i only notice them once and a while


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Re: Be honest... [Re: sporkeh]
    #7875794 - 01/13/08 09:12 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

honestly
virginity is overrated!
still i would use my wits to avoid getting gangbanged or splattered.

psyches are not for everyone.
IMO
you should be different first, or not at all


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Re: Be honest... [Re: Justice_Fish]
    #7875924 - 01/13/08 09:36 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Justice_Fish said:
I've got real quick tracers, and when I move a lot (like when I play squash) I see explosions of particles...

I don't know what it is, like a lot of white little spots going everywhere in my vision. Funny to look at :crazy2:




Same for me, they're like little white specks with trails, although they only appear every so often. Never had them before cid. They definitely aren't a bad thing though, they look cool, and don't disrupt anything I'm doing.


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