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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7872419 - 01/13/08 05:55 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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BlueCoyote said:
edit: In short: The 'intelligence'-tests will only test that what one was educated :grin:




No.
Not really.
While I agree with you that intelligence tests still have more until they will be close to accuracy, I do not agree with the idea you're trying to present here because it is very far from the truth.
What you are trying to imply with "educated" refers to social norms, standards and belong more to ethics.
The IQ test is hardly concerned with the morality of an individual.
It is oriented to measure one's ability to be lucid, aware and apt to determine reality. Things that are important for an individual to do if they want to live life in a constructive and rational manner. It stands for progress.

Let's see some random examples from some I.Q. tests:

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Two ducks and two dogs have a total of fourteen legs.

True  False




As you see, this question is quite explainable and natural regarding the construct and structure of reality.
Unless you wanna argue whether or not a human was educated (trained) to see two legs in a duck and four legs in a dog. :lol:
And of you wanna argue about that I'm really curious how you'll do it. :strokebeard:

Now let's look at another example:

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2.  Which one of these is least like the four?
    Horse
    Kangaroo
    Goat
    Deer
    Donkey




As you can see, this question is also concerned with one's ability to determine the similarities and differences. And this is also an imperative matter if we want to have the ability to determine the reality that surrounds us.
Errors in thinking lead to accidents, accidents lead to traumas and so on. Need I go on any further that that in explaining what could happen if I thought that the one that didn't belong there was the goat? :hehehe:
Should I even begin to draw similarities between this situation and other situations where I wouldn't be able to make the correct measurements? :sherlock:


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7872434 - 01/13/08 06:10 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

"Two ducks and two dogs have a total of fourteen legs.

True False"
Haha, sorry, I am quite stoned and drunk, but I love to rip that apart :smile:
Primarily that is made up for wings are not legs, pure definition.
And for idiot falesafe, they don't even offer the other 'correct' answer: sixteen.
So, of course it is about what you are trained to see in a function of a body-part, but in fact, wings had been primarily legs as well :wink:

"2. Which one of these is least like the four?
Horse
Kangaroo
Goat
Deer
Donkey"

So what is the right answer here ? Kangaroo, because it raises its child in a bag ? What if one of the others would be a reptile, which also runs on two legs, lol, and the answer still was designed to be that the most difference is to be raised in a bag ?
Designed shit :grin:


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7872448 - 01/13/08 06:34 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

You are only having trouble with the animal portion of the quiz because you are part blue jay and part coyote due to genetic splicing which was not yet done at the time the test was designed.


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7872467 - 01/13/08 06:51 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Hehe, yeah
It's about what you wanna be doing with your front legs :wink:
Just running, or playing with tools, or begin to fly (even back into the sea) :laugh:


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #7875113 - 01/13/08 07:32 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Primarily that is made up for wings are not legs, pure definition.
And for idiot falesafe, they don't even offer the other 'correct' answer: sixteen.
So, of course it is about what you are trained to see in a function of a body-part, but in fact, wings had been primarily legs as well




Wings ONCE WERE legs.
Let's not omit that this was somewhere in the past, so let's focus on the present, where wings are wings and not legs anymore. :lol:
An IQ test is NOT concerned with one's knowledge regarding general culture. :shrug:
If we were to use that logic, we would say that a duck is really an egg, since the duck came out of an egg, so initially it was presenting itself as being boxed in there. :hehehe:


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7876847 - 01/14/08 01:26 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

What about bats ? They have claws at their wings and also can walk on them. Wing-arm-legs ? Wargs...


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7876931 - 01/14/08 02:05 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

It is a terrible hypocrisy to advocate science with one hand and use the other hand to throw pseudoscientific fallacies around. Implying that religious people are less intelligent, and therefore wrong, based on a few poorly conducted studies using a metric that tests a very narrow range of tasks is just as moronic as any creationist's argument.


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7877518 - 01/14/08 09:32 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

ZAP!:kaboom:


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7877777 - 01/14/08 11:07 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Perhaps you would care to show flaws in the studies rather than merely call this thread moronic. Your mere declaration has no value.


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7879066 - 01/14/08 04:26 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Religiosity? :lol:

Did they do any studies of theologians? Maybe a study comparing intellegence and theologisity?


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7879100 - 01/14/08 04:33 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

flaws?

Heres a counter argument.

http://www.geocities.com/meta_crock/other/smarter.htm

I would like to see the protocols for all the studies before I would comment.


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: falcon]
    #7879593 - 01/14/08 06:13 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Not surprisingly, no New Ager wants to accept my challenge which may display some intelligence...


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: falcon]
    #7879621 - 01/14/08 06:19 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

How about an unbiased survey based upon some of the more brilliant thinkers on the planet?


Nature, 394(6691):313, 23 July 1998
"Leading Scientists Still Reject God"

A recent survey of members of the National Academy of Sciences showed that 72% are outright atheists, 21% are agnostic and only 7% admit to belief in a personal God.

Belief in personal God 1998

Personal belief 7.0 %
Personal disbelief 72.2
Doubt or agnosticism 20.8


Belief in human immortality 1998

Personal belief 7.9 %
Personal disbelief 76.7
Doubt or agnosticism 23.3


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7879688 - 01/14/08 06:32 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

This personal disbelief, I am skeptical about.
Is this a personal disbelief in a personal God, that they interpreted as being
atheism. I would like to see what they asked the scientists and what there responses were, not just a synopsis and interpretation.


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: falcon]
    #7879730 - 01/14/08 06:37 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Would you say that the War on Drugs is a display of intelligence?


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7879744 - 01/14/08 06:39 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Better question: Is circular reasoning a tool of an intelligent or an unintelligent mind?


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7879810 - 01/14/08 06:51 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Would you say that the War on Drugs is a display of intelligence?

:shrug: My personal belief is that everyone should be self medicating, doctors and pharmacists should act as advisors, not dispensers.


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: falcon]
    #7879924 - 01/14/08 07:08 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Would you say that the War on Drugs is a display of intelligence?

I can not answer your original question, because it is vague and meaningless.


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7879942 - 01/14/08 07:11 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Better question: Is circular reasoning a tool of an intelligent or an unitelligent mind?

Reasoning is a tool of all minds, both intelligent and unintelligent people are guilty of circular reasoning.


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Re: Religion, intelligence and education [Re: falcon]
    #7880059 - 01/14/08 07:34 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Quote:

falcon said:
Would you say that the War on Drugs is a display of intelligence?

:shrug: My personal belief is that everyone should be self medicating, doctors and pharmacists should act as advisors, not dispensers.




Quote:

falcon said:
Would you say that the War on Drugs is a display of intelligence?

I can not answer your original question, because it is vague and meaningless.




You can't answer...? Then why did you answer?


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