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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: kody260z]
    #7876151 - 01/13/08 10:16 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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any thoughts?




Good thinking. :thumbup:
Since there is no brain on which the DMT can react, it seems like all this theory fails.


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7876338 - 01/13/08 11:06 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Not exactly.

What if DMT is a chemical produced by the brain to HELP humans be born and die? What if it has nothing to do with the soul? Rather it just helps paralyze and relax a person as they enter life or death... or any other very traumatic situation.


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: Rose]
    #7876372 - 01/13/08 11:19 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Could be, but it's all just speculation again. Why I say that is because we still don't know exactly what makes DMT be released, under which circumstances.
Also, how would the psychedelic effect would be a certain aid in helping one relax?


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7876475 - 01/13/08 11:54 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

Edit: no flaming in this forum.


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7876678 - 01/14/08 12:36 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
Could be, but it's all just speculation again. Why I say that is because we still don't know exactly what makes DMT be released, under which circumstances.
Also, how would the psychedelic effect would be a certain aid in helping one relax?




DMT causes temporary paralysis. Helpful in traumatic circumstances... if you ask me. :shrug:

Could save a life... when death is near...

Leave it to humans to find deeper meaning.


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: Love Cap]
    #7876924 - 01/14/08 02:00 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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Love Cap said:
So what you're saying MushroomTrip, is that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about? Have you read the book?
Also, you need to stop telling people to go to the M&P section, this is philosophy and spirituality; you don't have to PROVE there is a soul to talk about spirituality.




This forum is specifically intended for critical analysis of any idea presented within. Of course, had you read the forum rules and guidelines, perhaps you would understand that, instead of being irrationally critical of someone who is simply pronouncing the distinction in intention between the two forums? :smirk:


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: Love Cap]
    #7877024 - 01/14/08 03:23 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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So what you're saying MushroomTrip, is that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about? Have you read the book?




I would advice you that in the future you should stop making these kinds of remarks and actually think (if I'm not asking too much :lol:)
Yes, I have read the book.
It seems that both of us did only that you did not understand much of it. :smirk:
Rick Strassman CLEARLY stated that this theory is pure speculation and that it is NOT scientifically supported in any way.
Let's take a short look at what speculation means to make things crystal clear to you :hehehe:

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spec·u·la·tion      /ˌspɛkyəˈleɪʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[spek-yuh-ley-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the contemplation or consideration of some subject: to engage in speculation on humanity's ultimate destiny.
2. a single instance or process of consideration.
3. a conclusion or opinion reached by such contemplation: These speculations are impossible to verify.
4. conjectural consideration of a matter; conjecture or surmise: a report based on speculation rather than facts.
5. engagement in business transactions involving considerable risk but offering the chance of large gains, esp. trading in commodities, stocks, etc., in the hope of profit from changes in the market price.
6. a speculative commercial venture or undertaking.




Sorry to break reality to you like that :shocked:

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Also, you need to stop telling people to go to the M&P section, this is philosophy and spirituality; you don't have to PROVE there is a soul to talk about spirituality.




Off to M&P with you, if you can't read some easy rues that are the foundation of this forum :smirk:


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: Rose]
    #7877026 - 01/14/08 03:24 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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Cervantes said:
Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
Could be, but it's all just speculation again. Why I say that is because we still don't know exactly what makes DMT be released, under which circumstances.
Also, how would the psychedelic effect would be a certain aid in helping one relax?




DMT causes temporary paralysis. Helpful in traumatic circumstances... if you ask me. :shrug:

Could save a life... when death is near...

Leave it to humans to find deeper meaning.




Yes, paralysis could save lives in SOME cases.
As well as in other cases it might END lives. :shrug:


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7877199 - 01/14/08 06:51 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

I can tell you all what natural DMT does for the brain through 25 plus years doing TM and Buddhists yogas, it prevents the brain from sticking. It's like super oil for the mind. DMT itself has no reality but the structure of it has prismatic qualities, thus it permits the being a medium through which is can hone the point of cognition. The body itself has sentience and that sentience can be shared amongst systems through the supra-cognitive molecule. Cognition (sentience) itself is contact with the Deity.


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: eve69]
    #7877215 - 01/14/08 07:01 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Well we're making progress here.
So we established that DMT needs a viable brain in order to create a reaction.


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7877314 - 01/14/08 08:08 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

I guess you can't make a person besides yourself think thoughts that are closer to reality;
but if you really care, and make lots of effort not to embellish, then what you see is what you get.

i will say this, if you spend less energy adding speculation and blocking things out.
what you will see will be much richer and more useful.


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7877378 - 01/14/08 08:36 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

Yes. :smile:
Believing in a form of speculative thought and taking it as being true, fixates one into an incomplete or false reality.
I see this to be against any form of progress. :shrug:


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7877482 - 01/14/08 09:21 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

to the person who proposed the bomb idea, they say that one is able to "sense" what is going on around them through vibrations. so, using precognition one's brain would be able to release the dmt before being obliterated. i believe that one is able to sense anything and everything everywhere, but our brains filter that information.

in eastern religions the "soul" is attached to the body by a string (to put it simply) when you die the string is cut, and you are released into a higher/lower realm.

as for needing dmt? my guess is that its a vehicle.


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #7877870 - 01/14/08 11:33 AM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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in eastern religions the "soul" is attached to the body by a string




There is no limit to unverifiable and silly beliefs.


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7877975 - 01/14/08 12:00 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

So the Universe really is infinite.:whoa:


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7878956 - 01/14/08 04:01 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
Quote:

So what you're saying MushroomTrip, is that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about? Have you read the book?




I would advice you that in the future you should stop making these kinds of remarks and actually think (if I'm not asking too much :lol:)
Yes, I have read the book.
It seems that both of us did only that you did not understand much of it. :smirk:
Rick Strassman CLEARLY stated that this theory is pure speculation and that it is NOT scientifically supported in any way.
Let's take a short look at what speculation means to make things crystal clear to you :hehehe:

Quote:

spec·u·la·tion      /ˌspɛkyəˈleɪʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[spek-yuh-ley-shuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the contemplation or consideration of some subject: to engage in speculation on humanity's ultimate destiny.
2. a single instance or process of consideration.
3. a conclusion or opinion reached by such contemplation: These speculations are impossible to verify.
4. conjectural consideration of a matter; conjecture or surmise: a report based on speculation rather than facts.
5. engagement in business transactions involving considerable risk but offering the chance of large gains, esp. trading in commodities, stocks, etc., in the hope of profit from changes in the market price.
6. a speculative commercial venture or undertaking.




Sorry to break reality to you like that :shocked:

Quote:

Also, you need to stop telling people to go to the M&P section, this is philosophy and spirituality; you don't have to PROVE there is a soul to talk about spirituality.




Off to M&P with you, if you can't read some easy rues that are the foundation of this forum :smirk:





First of all, you have no reason to speculate that I didn't understand the book.
Second of all, for you to challenge my intelligence is dancing on the line of personal attack!

Of course I read the rules, and I completely understand the criticism.. but to want proof of everything stated is killing the topic of P&S. You can't prove everything in philosophy and spirituality, and I've seen a lot of people leave this forum because of you killing the conversation! It's not because of too much criticism, it's because you completely over look one's points and argue about trivial things.
If you want to cut down everything that everyone is saying because they don't have proof to back it up, then why don't YOU GO TO THE S&T SECTION!! stop trying to moderate!
CAN WE GET A REAL MODERATOR IN HERE?? THIS GIRL IS KILLING PHILOSOPHY!
also, if you're going to tell someone to 'read some easy RULES'.... maybe you should learn how to spell RULES before you start smirking!


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: Love Cap]
    #7880616 - 01/14/08 09:49 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

I am entering the speculation zone here. :smirk:
Judging by your responses, you might still be underage.
I hope you know the strict rules the this site has regarding people under 18.

Now getting back to the topic, people contribute or leave :bye:


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: kody260z]
    #7881760 - 01/15/08 04:49 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

So, is the soul a metaphor for a densely packed, rich neurological structure that is derived from the outside enviornment and or genetics?


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #7881764 - 01/15/08 04:54 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

We have no idea :shrug:


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Re: DMT an "escape pod" for the soul [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7881774 - 01/15/08 05:02 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

Well it just seems like this Forum would be a lot easier to make progress if wee applied all the labels common to topics in these Forums (soul, spirit, god) to something more easily measurable such as brain scans, neurology, actions--shit that is more easliy convincing. ( I def. typed this, therefore it is objective)


Would'nt it be easier to break everything down into the most non-emotional, robotic terms, to more easily rationalize things?

Human emotion seems to convolute and derail things---

I guess the question is, is progress real, or an illusion when dealing with philosophical implications?


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