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Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate
#7866656 - 01/11/08 08:16 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I was dumbfounded when Paul was asked about the 9/11 truth movement. The question first started on the uncited pretense that many of his supporters were believing the US gov't conspired to cause 9/11 attacks- the moderator actually said this.
What the hell kinda question is that? Where is the source saying that Paul supporters are signifigantly more likely to buy into the 9/11 truth movement? Anyone else think this was a low blow? Especially since no one else was asked this question, and Paul has previously denounced this movement on television?
Additionaly, why would the question be asked? No one cares about the 9/11 nuts, and there's been nothing in the media to suggest that paul does support this movement, so what was the motivation and reason for the question? Really crazy...
And then w/ the moderator looking disgusted and challenging Paul when he urged caution on Iran... I thought this was a pretty clearly biased debate (which no, I haven't ever felt when watching a previous one... the audience may have been against him, he may have not gotten much speaking time, but then he wasn't a major candidate and the moderator doesn't control the audience.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: johnm214]
#7866685 - 01/11/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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It's pretty clear that the media is not into Ron Paul and is clearly bias against him. I saw Hannity openly scoff at his name last night. The majority of the stories put out about him are negative. The media decides who to present favorably and who will get airtime based on how well a candidate fits the their mold and thus decide, largely, who gets elected. I think the system is broken.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: robbyberto]
#7866704 - 01/11/08 08:31 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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robbyberto said: It's pretty clear that the media is not into Ron Paul and is clearly bias against him. I saw Hannity openly scoff at his name last night. The majority of the stories put out about him are negative. The media decides who to present favorably and who will get airtime based on how well a candidate fits the their mold and thus decide, largely, who gets elected. I think the system is broken.
couldn't have said it better. i listen to a conservative radio show host in the afternoons, Michael Medved, and he rips on Dr. Paul maybe every 10 min or so. although, today, during his show, he admitted that Ron Paul did fairly well in that debate.
it's really unfair and quite disgusting how corrupt this system is. i love america, it has given me so much, but sometimes i really despise the mechanics running it.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Syle]
#7866769 - 01/11/08 08:51 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I've not seen any overt bias like was evident in this debate... insane
While I was disgusted by the candidates moking and laughing at Paul (though they did this to themselves too) I didn't mind this as much as the moderators asking questions and responding in a way that clearly showed bias.
A debate moderator should be impartial and not be involved himself, let the candidates fight amongst themselves.
For the life of me, I don't know why his foreign policy ideals are so hard to swallow. They talk about poor israel and the arabs are depending on us to stop attrocities... please.
We're idle while Sudan continues to murder its own, and we're worried about a nation like iraq that actually has a functioning democracy?
Bullshit. Pull out and let the UN do its job- peacekeeping. Even if we were right to go in, the UN can handle it from here.
If we should be in any country its Sudan.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: johnm214]
#7866935 - 01/11/08 09:44 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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While I do agree that we should pull out, do you really the UN is competent to handle it? We care about what the media reports. It's as simple as that. I'll still vote for Paul in the GA primary as a vote of protest.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: johnm214]
#7866984 - 01/11/08 09:55 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Its always good to see so many media outlets clamor to slander and libel a third tier candidate, its quite pathetic and theatric at the effort and tenacity of insulting Dr. Paul.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#7867109 - 01/11/08 10:18 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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pull out of iraq we do not want to impregnate iraq the child support that iraq would require will bankrupt america
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Coaster]
#7867212 - 01/11/08 10:39 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: johnm214]
#7868071 - 01/12/08 03:27 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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> I've not seen any overt bias like was evident in this debate... insane
I thought the "paulnuts" were "nuts" until I started reading closer. Even a lot of the articles that appear to be nice towards him are often filled with barbs. Often, these subtle hits will leave more of long term impression on a reader than the general tone of the article will. I've not noticed the same tactics used on other candidates, but I haven't looked for it either.
Edit: My use of "paulnuts" above is a good example of the barbs that I am talking about. It leaves the subtle impression that anybody that supports Paul is a nut. I used the term on purpose for the example.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: johnm214]
#7868226 - 01/12/08 07:17 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Most Paulnuts believe the 911 conspiracy theories and most non-Paulnuts know about this drug cult nonsense you are trying to pull on society. You communists are trying to destroy the brains of people through drugs because you think the zombies who have given themselves chemical lobatomies will more likely follow your communist revolution. You are actually helping the Republicans and right wing in every country and you are increasing the penalty for drug crimes more than the DEA could ever do by themselves. You are worse than the DEA.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Luddite]
#7868409 - 01/12/08 09:11 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Lol, your crazy as hell.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Seuss]
#7868673 - 01/12/08 11:04 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Seuss said:
I thought the "paulnuts" were "nuts" until I started reading closer.
Edit: My use of "paulnuts" above is a good example of the barbs that I am talking about. It leaves the subtle impression that anybody that supports Paul is a nut. I used the term on purpose for the example.
I call them Paulnuts not because they support this guy but because of their quasi-religious fervor and maniacal belief that he has any chance at all of winning. THAT is insane.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: zappaisgod]
#7868815 - 01/12/08 11:55 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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HE can't win? He just won the last debate in SC by great numbers! The first couple of primaries don't meant a whole lot, most presidents didn't win the caucus or first primaries.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Rebirtha]
#7868826 - 01/12/08 12:00 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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He just won the last debate in SC by great numbers!
Could you link us to any credible public opinion poll showing Ron Paul "won" the last debate? Or any debate, for that matter? To the best of my knowledge, none of the national political polling firms have as yet run ANY polls on who won a debate. They have so far restricted themselves to general "which guy do you like best" or "who will you vote for" polls.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Phred]
#7869001 - 01/12/08 12:59 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Well you are right, there are no 'winners' or 'losers' in the polls the only thing I saw was on FOX NEWS which showed him as the winner with 32%. I don't know where they derived the statistic from but you are very right that it might not be from the best source or represent a national polling instituion. Thinking back I think the poll was for people watching Fox at the time to text in their anwers of who they thought won. So you are right its probably not the best souce. Either way his support is rising and without a poll I would say he won the debate.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Rebirtha]
#7869031 - 01/12/08 01:06 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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You would say he won the debate. Big fucking deal. How many delegates do you get for "winning" a debate. Answer will appear in this thread tomorrow.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: zappaisgod]
#7869053 - 01/12/08 01:12 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Now now...
We all know that due to the unique style of Ron Paul's campaign that his support cannot be measured by traditional "big media" polls. There actually exists for Ron Paul a huge underground current of support that will be manifestly clear to everyone as soon as the first big primary rolls around.
Mark my words, nobody will be laughing at Ron Paul after the Iowa Primar...
Wait, that was last week?
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: zappaisgod]
#7869064 - 01/12/08 01:16 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said: You would say he won the debate. Big fucking deal. How many delegates do you get for "winning" a debate. Answer will appear in this thread tomorrow.
I agree with that. My point was that somebody had said he can't be president, my only arguement is that he's doing well and gaining support constantly while other candidates seem to be losing support (Guiliani). All I'm saying is that he has a chance and can be president. I don't think he he's automatically a loser. All I'm saying is that he has a chance, that doesn't mean he will win. But he will win cause he's a badass
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Rebirtha]
#7869080 - 01/12/08 01:24 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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By the rules of succession, if he is the most senior member of Congress left alive he gets to be President. That is more likely than him winning an election for President.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: zappaisgod]
#7869104 - 01/12/08 01:33 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Not after I flood the US population with LSD *evil laugh*
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Rebirtha]
#7869113 - 01/12/08 01:37 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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No, by any rational measure.
You need to receive votes to be elected president.
Ron Paul has about 10% support in every poll that is done.
10% would only get you elected if there were 11 serious contenders splitting the vote.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7869129 - 01/12/08 01:42 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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That doesn't mean he can't raise his support. What polls? the caucus? Caucus doesn't mean anything, look at previous caucus results and who became president. I know he's up against odds but I still think he has a chance.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Rebirtha]
#7869141 - 01/12/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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EVERY poll.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7869156 - 01/12/08 01:53 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Rebirtha]
#7869215 - 01/12/08 02:08 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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That poll seems a little suspicious there, Evan.;)
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: zappaisgod]
#7869224 - 01/12/08 02:11 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Well, at least he's bold.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: zappaisgod]
#7869258 - 01/12/08 02:26 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
Quote:
Seuss said:
I thought the "paulnuts" were "nuts" until I started reading closer.
Edit: My use of "paulnuts" above is a good example of the barbs that I am talking about. It leaves the subtle impression that anybody that supports Paul is a nut. I used the term on purpose for the example.
I call them Paulnuts not because they support this guy but because of their quasi-religious fervor and maniacal belief that he has any chance at all of winning. THAT is insane.
So what would you call people like me who Support him with quasi-religious ferver but are realistic enough to realize he's not going to win?
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: BrAiN]
#7869268 - 01/12/08 02:30 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Part of me thinks he'd have more of a chance of winning if he would have run as a Libertarian from the get go. I think part of the reason Fox is fucking with him is because they don't see him as a "real republican"... plus he never really would have jumped into the spotlight until AFTER the republican convention... in the homestretch when it REALLY mattered.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: BrAiN]
#7869444 - 01/12/08 03:27 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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The Mike Bloomberg Strategy, eh?
We'll see how that works.
I have my doubts about it as well...
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: BrAiN]
#7869589 - 01/12/08 04:11 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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BrAiN said:
So what would you call people like me who Support him with quasi-religious ferver but are realistic enough to realize he's not going to win?
A Paulfruit.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: zappaisgod]
#7869602 - 01/12/08 04:13 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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works for me
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: BrAiN]
#7869612 - 01/12/08 04:16 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: zappaisgod]
#7869981 - 01/12/08 05:40 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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It's nice to read contemplative and intelligent comments.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Evolving]
#7870089 - 01/12/08 06:06 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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The smiley panel is there for a reason.
If you don't like them, don't use them.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Madtowntripper]
#7870141 - 01/12/08 06:18 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Perhaps you could tell me something I don't know. I am able to understand and process the 'flow' of a series posts and respond in a manner I deem fit. FYI, I was referring to the series of posts which offer nothing in the way of substantive critiques or commentary but merely resort to school yard rhetoric. Capice?
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Evolving]
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I'm not about to argue with you.
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Re: Ron Paul and 9/11 Truth movement at S.C. debate [Re: Evolving]
#7871413 - 01/12/08 11:00 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Evolving said: Perhaps you could tell me something I don't know. I am able to understand and process the 'flow' of a series posts and respond in a manner I deem fit. FYI, I was referring to the series of posts which offer nothing in the way of substantive critiques or commentary but merely resort to school yard rhetoric. Capice?
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