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RE:Azure jars timing lid removal
    #7865513 - 01/11/08 03:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

O.K. so I went and removed the foil on my first 9 jars. PF Tek Brown rice flour and Verm. Left the other ten with the foil still on. We'll see. Did this in a glove box of course just to be safe. The book I have shows photos of the jars with foil and plastic lids on fully colonized with no filter disk hole in the top. What gives? Many differing opinions on this. Any ideas of when the prefered timing of each foil layer to be removed and at what stage of colonization? Thanks

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Re: RE:Azure jars timing lid removal [Re: atomicblue]
    #7865540 - 01/11/08 03:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

what are you using as a lid?
are you using a straight vermiculite layer as a contamination barrier?
If you are doing the above then why did you remove the foil in the glove box?
If you are not doing the above then you are not doing the pf tek


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Re: RE:Azure jars timing lid removal [Re: tahoe]
    #7865555 - 01/11/08 03:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

uh?? why in the glovebox...once you take them out of the glovebox there exposed to the air..
Take off all the foil to the jars...you will stall them...they need gas exchange

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Re: RE:Azure jars timing lid removal [Re: dumbfounded1600]
    #7865579 - 01/11/08 03:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes dry Verm on top of the wet Verm /rice flour mix. I put them in the box to remove the foil and replace the plastic lids with a hole and filter disk. Thought this might cut down on any air with mold from possibly getting into each jar. Sounds like I don't have to worry about contaminating them at this point? Am I correct in how I am interpreting your responses. Thanks

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Re: RE:Azure jars timing lid removal [Re: atomicblue]
    #7865593 - 01/11/08 03:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I do not understand what you used for a lid.
A pf jar is supposed to have the tin lid that comes with the jar. You are supossed to drill 4 holes in the lid for the needle.
You could use a straight tyvek lid and just poke holes through it with the needle.

You are supposed to foil during pressure cooking. You cover either lid with the foil to keep water from dripping off the pc and going into the pf jar.
This foil has to be removed to inoculate the jar. You can put masking tape over the holes in the lid or tyvek after inoculation.
Then you can put the foil back over it but it does very little if you are using the tin lid but will help if you are using tyvek as teh lid because the foil will help hold in moisture

So what are you using?


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Re: RE:Azure jars timing lid removal [Re: tahoe]
    #7865629 - 01/11/08 03:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Plastic lid with a hole drilled in the center filter disk over hole. The book I was using suggested two squares of foil over the jar lid on top. PC remove lid and one layer of foil,inoculate thru existing layer still on the jar, replace top layer of foil and lid. Incubate at 75-85. Did it just like this and they are growing. Anyhow I just removed all foil from jars and replaced lids with the filter disk. Place back in warm room of 77 degrees. Hope it keeps going to make it to my first chip spawn. The addition 10 jars have not started to grow yet but it has only been a couple of days.

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Re: RE:Azure jars timing lid removal [Re: atomicblue]
    #7865668 - 01/11/08 04:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That sounds like a lot of shit covering the lid. Whatever works i guess.

Let them colonize and mix it with some wood chips. Do you have some picked out? Alder is good but may not be the best. It is exspensive also.


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Re: RE:Azure jars timing lid removal [Re: tahoe]
    #7865684 - 01/11/08 04:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I thought it seemed like a lot too. The growth was cruisng too. But I think it is stalling a bit .That's why I asked. Yeah alder chips and some oak pellets for my secondary spawn with more alder chips. I also picked up a bag of some dyed hardwood mulch. I going to PC a spawn bag of this and see if they will move on to it when ready.

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Re: RE:Azure jars timing lid removal [Re: atomicblue]
    #7865699 - 01/11/08 04:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

With foil removed and lids with a filter disk put back on placed in a room at 77 they should carry on...correct?

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Re: RE:Azure jars timing lid removal [Re: atomicblue]
    #7865793 - 01/11/08 04:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah they should. oak pellets??? For a pellets stove? If so, I think there are glues in the pellets. These may or may not cause a problem


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Re: RE:Azure jars timing lid removal [Re: tahoe]
    #7866009 - 01/11/08 05:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No food grade smoking pellets. No glue just extruding under high pressure. Cool ,Thanks to all!

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