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VisualLearner
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Is there a voice talking to me?
#7864789 - 01/11/08 12:23 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Or is it just my own thoughts? I have tripped many times and am wondering what the shroomery thinks. Is the 'voices' or ideas I get from my experiences part of me deep down that I have never expericenced or is it a higher power gracing me with their apperance? I would love to hear input on this poll. I am speaking of mushrooms by the way.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: VisualLearner]
#7864796 - 01/11/08 12:24 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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if you're starting to hear the voices, it might be time to lay off.
are they happening when your sober too, or just when you trip? either way, it's all in your head.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: VisualLearner]
#7864798 - 01/11/08 12:24 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yeah i know what your talking about... And yeah i think it's some kind of being.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: RedRainDrop]
#7864805 - 01/11/08 12:27 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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if you're starting to hear the voices, it might be time to lay off.
Ok well this kind of scares me and also makes me look back on all of my trips. In every single one there is a voice of great information and I listen so closely to everything 'it' says. I am not starting to think since it is on every trip i hear these 'voices' it must be my own mind. Damn I love my 'voice' when i am tripping.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: VisualLearner]
#7864940 - 01/11/08 12:58 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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ok, clarify. are these voices internal, like they're coming from within you (even though it seems like another (higher?) being?
or are you hearing voices in your head that are not your own?
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: demiu5]
#7864956 - 01/11/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I didn't vote because you don't have the proper answer on the ballet.
It's both at the same time.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: FarFromHere]
#7864971 - 01/11/08 01:04 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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ok starting to make sense. I only hear this when under the influence. A little of both is the most rational idea so far.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: VisualLearner]
#7865157 - 01/11/08 01:53 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Culturally, we are nervous when it comes to 'voices' in our minds. Most believe that hearing a voice is an indication of insanity. This is false, because EVERYONE has a voice in their head. The voice could be that nagging concern ingrained into your head by your parents when you were a child. Or it is your own common sense. Some of the voices are your own, and some are others'.
We all have voices, thoughts, concerns, songs and wants streaming through our mind all the time; forever and ever. Don't be afraid if you have them.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: Grylls]
#7865270 - 01/11/08 02:20 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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thats what i needed to hear. Now I will channel these 'voices' more and experiment with them...thank you
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: VisualLearner]
#7865447 - 01/11/08 03:01 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yeah man me and my voices trip together all the time.
We're such good friends.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: VisualLearner]
#7865542 - 01/11/08 03:27 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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There should be an option for both. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
I've experiened a guiding presence, hearing the voice and seeing the face of a shaman during an ayahuasca trip. I think there is an enlightened being inside you guiding you.
This isnt even something limited to psychedelic experiences. Plenty of Indian mystics (and others, I'm sure, I just haven't researched it so much) have been guided by a guru without ever having met them on the physical plane of reality.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: EllisDSox]
#7865558 - 01/11/08 03:30 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Option 3: You're developing schizophrenia.
I think there's one way to figure this out. What do the voices say?
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: VisualLearner]
#7865586 - 01/11/08 03:37 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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its satan
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: VisualLearner]
#7865842 - 01/11/08 04:40 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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the two choices are too limiting: subconscious mind openning up i would have to say no
mind i would say yes.
psychedelic - mind manifesting - encourages fragments of mentation to linger longer in the conscious field. more mind is manifested and conscious.
assigning it a direction such as "from the sub conscious" is indelicate or inaccurate.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: redgreenvines]
#7865871 - 01/11/08 04:45 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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people have their own opinions on it swearing it to be fact.
Basically you either believe that there is another being out there or you believe it's a hallucination.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: demiu5]
#7865881 - 01/11/08 04:46 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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demius said: if you're starting to hear the voices, it might be time to lay off.
are they happening when your sober too, or just when you trip? either way, it's all in your head.
I heard this voice my 3rd trip with 5 or 6 months in between them. Guess i was really overdoing it
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: future]
#7865908 - 01/11/08 04:52 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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It is the god within you
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: future]
#7866212 - 01/11/08 05:55 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Is it possible to have your thoughts fragment while on psychedelics. But what about anthropomorphizing a concept, so to speak, and giving "the zeitgeist" an identifiable personality? You're ill. That’s how religions are born.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: 04281969]
#7866247 - 01/11/08 06:07 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Just kidding, sort of. But seriously, I'd say you should dry out for a while.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: thoughts]
#7866294 - 01/11/08 06:20 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Its not helpful to even joke about this, theres quite a few people who still relate this insubstantial concept of "insanity" with those who only but claim to "hear voices" "in thier head".
It's an amazing phenomena, the magnitude of reaction to this invisible force generated by a social prescence, it really divides my reasoning considering where the central standards and behaviours which qualify as insane originate, or had originated from. A social reflex can be any number of very subtle reactions, some completely imperceptible given its existence is never "analyzed" or discovered by chance. And these reactions can be seen so impressively displayed practically anywhere, and it is one of the most powerful "energy" modalities that Ive ever seen that are connected to a "psychic aspect" of reality. All these terms are very brutal of course.
If you were to ask me (or any of the many voices which can materialize in my "psyche") Id say having no voices in your head is comparable to brain death, complete paralysis. If someone is frightened, thier responses are "frantic" "delirius" etc if not "frozen", whats happening is complete lack of any clear, rhythmic and structured thought and a continuum of perception of them, and whats left is the raw carnum of the brain and a fear instigating force. So you scare an insect, it just reacts with pure instinctive,hard-ware based organic triggers. This sort of "numbing" or overwhelming fear which reduces the sphere of possible permeating voices/thoughts can be experienced at different intensities, in some way, this sort of phenomena, or something similar is inherent in almost all of us (including other species)
Its that force which seems so pervasive and beautiful, yet tremendously annoying to the state of human social and psychological development (which of course is one of the only real root problem in constructing a cooperative,loving and harmonic social framework amoungst conscious beings)
Now consider this, what better way to nurture compassion for others than to realize "alien" personalities within yourself? If clearly observed, you almost always find redeeming, astonishing, and simuilarities within new voices, this is basically what social activity is, its inviting other voices. Those who cannot accept or do not have inner voices will probably adapt to society in an unusual or even deficient way.
I actually feel that what most psychologists call "schizophrenia" is actually related to this concept of "too few voices", an opposite of the supposed symptoms of schizophrenics. If someone has too few voices, what sort of behaviours do you think they'd be displaying? Probably screaming, confusion, depression leading to worsening symptoms.
so I say, search for all the voices you can, understand them in thier own natures search for all things, feel the substance of experience any data can be good data
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: krin]
#7866317 - 01/11/08 06:24 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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oh and to answer your initial question, I have no FREAKIN CLUE what thoughts and voices really are, or what thier doing, where they are going, what they are forming, holographic, inverted imaginastic, whacktastic they just crawling through the many dimensions of absurdity
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: krin]
#7866389 - 01/11/08 06:41 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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From a shamanic perspective, the voices you hear on a shroom trip can be your higher self communicating with you (Our individual essence that resides in the next dimension) this is why sometimes the things it tells you seem so familiar as if you had always known but had forgotten. Other voices can be your spirit guides trying to heal you and impart wisdom to help you grow spiritually. The shroom has a voice but not everyone listens, it depends whether you wanted to trip to learn something or just have a laugh.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: CaptBeefheart]
#7866433 - 01/11/08 06:58 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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All through life I have felt that I was witnessing my life occur below me, as if I am viewing this body's life from a back-row seat. I have come to believe this is because there are a few fundamental parts of our existence, which by my definitions are the brain, subconscious mind, and conscious mind. The brain collects and stores the electrical signals sent to it by the reaction of environmental stimuli - the conscious mind receives and mixes these signals all at once, turning them into this experience of physical reality - and our subconscious mind is our link to the other dimension(s), which stores your memories in the collective informational record of the universe's experiences and gives your consciousness subtle feedback through dreams and waking subconscious thoughts.
While the conscious mind is experiencing what its body is being put through, the subconscious is existing in a kind of timeless stasis, where it is able to receive, store, and interpret all the things about our physical existence. It is a formless library of information, which is much more expansive and accurate than our physical "memory storage facility"(kudos dreamcatcher). The subconscious can "view" events that the conscious mind is witnessing and responding to. Simultaneously, it is sending relative information based on past experiences, and also building a prediction of what could happen - or what the conscious mind should do, as I believe this is where the conscience is.
Perhaps it really is like this - perhaps each of our individual conscious ego nuggets is just a speck of awareness floating through the inter-dimensional cosmos, going through an eternal life cycle that alternates from physical existences and non-physical existences. Or maybe it starts in the physical realm, as a starter course of consciousness. Whatever physical vessel happens to be infused with your "soul" is random - the pieces fall where they need to, to maintain a perfect balance of consistency.
I dunno - but what is more fun to speculate about than death?
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: future]
#7866440 - 01/11/08 07:04 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: clover606]
#7866469 - 01/11/08 07:18 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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this thread reminds me of an old saying.... I'm a schitzo and so am I
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: krin]
#7866539 - 01/11/08 07:46 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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i know exactly what you mean i dont hear voices but if you tune in the plant or chemichal will bring thoughts to you like telepethy its why shamans have used enteogens for thousands of years if it is your subconcious it shure knew alot of things i could have never known but who knows your mind is an extremely complex thing but like under aya for instense i feel the presence of something greater than myself but am at the same time apart of.
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if you didn't ever hear voices in your head there would be something wrong with your circuitry. it is normal and it is mostly suppressed or processed over. memory is the source of these voices. synthetic memory is also a source. really maniacle synthetic memory is the stuff that insanity brings, and that usually means you have to talk to somebody, who is not in your head (like a shrink), or stop using so much.
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Manyc, It is very refreshing to hear mentalities such as yours.
Breaking the felt experience of existence through a sensory and psychic aperture in mindspace (to give it a random title) into categories like "conscious" and "subconscious" can be quite ludicrous, we all know our experience is so diversified amoungst eachother, the vectors of our consciousness always at new positions percieving and expressing new dimensions, however, these so inaccurate, horrendously oversimplified and generalized terms like "subconscious" and "conscious" become somehow necessary, it is the the first tangible resource for humanity and conscious being to build a foundation on for a new overall psychic awareness, as a social whole. But only if these terms are continually expanded into a systematically more complex framework for communicating the subtle nuances of cognitive,psychic,mental,emotional,psychedelic activity.
THere needs to be made a sensitive matrix of concepts concerning mind, that is under perpetual construction and change. THis model would be an interesting tool
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: krin]
#7867075 - 01/11/08 10:13 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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oh i really am that stoned
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: krin]
#7867300 - 01/11/08 11:11 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I don't see how you could never hear voices. Imagine your friend talking. Do you in no way 'hear' your friend? If you don't, it seems like your imagination would be very restricted. It's equivalent to seeing things with your minds eye. I don't know how it works, but I actually can SEE it, and when a thoughts is vocalized in your head, it's almost like you actually can HEAR it.
Shizophrenic voices would, I assume, sound like true external auditory hallucinations.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: krin]
#7874607 - 01/13/08 05:59 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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What you haven't learned yet is that, it is our internal voice, but it is also the voice of a higher being, that we are all a part of.... hard to explain..:P
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: RedRainDrop]
#7875627 - 01/13/08 08:45 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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What you haven't learned yet is that, it is our internal voice, but it is also the voice of a higher being, that we are all a part of.... hard to explain..:P
I get what you are saying. Is there some information you know of that would explain it more?
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: VisualLearner]
#7878930 - 01/14/08 03:55 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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If you're seriously attaching a deep significance and meaning to these events involving "voices", then I'd be quite worried that you may be becoming psychotic.
Sorry, I know that it's not what you want to hear, but maybe it's worth laying off the substances for a good while and making sure you can give yourself time to think about this in a proper sober state?
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: krin]
#7879628 - 01/14/08 06:20 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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its all in your head man.
isn't it fun to be insane to a lesser or more degree than everyone else?
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: SlashOZ]
#7880038 - 01/14/08 07:31 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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they could be coming from outside of you, but if so, then they might not have pure motives or be very wise (a trap some fall in is to listen to them and assume they are giving wisdom, but you really don't know who they are)
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: sleepy]
#7880208 - 01/14/08 08:01 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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In certain locations, at particular junctures of history, you would be venerated as a seer/sage/prophet.
I refer you to Jesus, Mohammed, Moses, that geezer who started the Mormon church, William Blake, et al.
On another note, I also refer you to Syd Barratt, Peter Green, Charlie Manson.
Look after yourself.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: VisualLearner]
#7880275 - 01/14/08 08:14 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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VisualLearner said: thats what i needed to hear. Now I will channel these 'voices' more and experiment with them...thank you
sound like you are taking what someone says and taking it to be TRUE because you want it to be. think of the possibilities, you don't know who this voices are. its a dangerous path your walking. better to ask god for protection, and if you really want some authentic spiritual knowledge, find a Guru who will protect/guide you. do not mess up your life by listening to voices. i'm not saying be afraid of them, but listening to voices is a bad way to get wisdom. they can really lead you down the wrong path, many people have fallen in that trap.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: sleepy]
#7880532 - 01/14/08 09:23 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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^I have gotten good at weeding out bad spiritual knowledge on trips... also with the help of my cats protection
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: RedRainDrop]
#7882147 - 01/15/08 08:20 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: sleepy]
#7882384 - 01/15/08 09:44 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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VisualLearner said: thats what i needed to hear. Now I will channel these 'voices' more and experiment with them...thank you
sound like you are taking what someone says and taking it to be TRUE because you want it to be. think of the possibilities, you don't know who this voices are. its a dangerous path your walking. better to ask god for protection, and if you really want some authentic spiritual knowledge, find a Guru who will protect/guide you. do not mess up your life by listening to voices. i'm not saying be afraid of them, but listening to voices is a bad way to get wisdom. they can really lead you down the wrong path, many people have fallen in that trap.
This is true. While the first few times we "communicated" were extremely enlightening beyoned what words can do justice, the last few they put me in harms way.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: future]
#7882388 - 01/15/08 09:45 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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..of course oddly enough after doing that, they also guided me out unscathed.
Makes me wonder if it was showing off to me or something. Impossible to tell.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: cpw1971]
#7882540 - 01/15/08 10:24 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Inner Dialogue?
Mind Chatter?
Someone's Voice you Carry with you?
A Higher being?
Resonation of wireless communicaitons?
If you are good at meditation, and you can take yourself down into Theta, you can actually begin to hear cellphone/cordless phone/radio communications from the frequencies causing vibrations in your sinus cavities.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: Fraggin]
#7883386 - 01/15/08 01:05 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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That's very interesting. I've been interested in meditation for a long long time, but recently my life has distracted me from the peace within myself, and I have fallen out of the habit. I need to get back into it..
I would like to see a video where they use those machines, whatever the hell they are, to view brain waves... while a monk is meditating. I bet it would be groundbreaking.
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: manyc]
#7884019 - 01/15/08 03:30 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Electroencephelograph or eeg.
I have the book written by the guy that used eeg with his meditation students and monks.....
Interesting thing about monks is that they meditate so much that their waking consciousness always displays Alpha-Beta instead of just Alpha, (or something along those lines)
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Re: Is there a voice talking to me? [Re: krin]
#7885206 - 01/15/08 07:06 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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redgreenvines is where I stand.
I kinda wish people would stop forgetting that psychedelics make you hallucinate as in perceive things "that aren't there" because of fundamental changes in the way your brain is processing information.
Once I was contacted through a Pink Floyd song ("One of these days") by an extra-dimensional (female-ish) being who represented a larger collective of beings that needed my help to decode something hidden in this universe. True story, well I mean that's what I experienced for about seven seconds while laying on my bed listening to Pink Floyd. Oddly enough I can't remember if I was on anything, if I was it was a low dose of shrooms, which seems likely.
My point is that even though I had this very vivid experience I can see it for what it was, yes it would be interesting if some being actually did contact me through a Floyd riff, but being a rational person I decided it was more likely that I experienced something that made my mind believe I was being contacted, I was listening to music so it would make sense that basically my only input at the time would be the source and it was distinctly feminine because that's part of the experience I had (who knows maybe it's because whenever I used to lay in bed, this is when I lived with my parents, I would always expect to have my mother yelling at me any second).
I don't completely rule out the possibility of higher powers talking to you in your head and it is very romantic to think about. I actually developed this whole short story (it was originally to showcase a concept for my super awesome concept album I'm going to write...) about this experience, but I still don't think it is what actually happened. As a person who applies logic and tries to do so correctly I cannot deny the possibility of exterior beings or separate interior beings contacting you. Simply because I don't know everything, or very much even, but based on what I do know through reading and generally trying to keep myself educated about the brain (there have actually been very interesting strides taken in just the last few years in this area and our understanding of how it works is beginning to actually mature a bit) I would have to say that the most likely explanation is the one I gave or something similar.
I am not trying to shit on anyone's parade, or beliefs I just happen to believe that interpreting things in certain ways simply because they are more palatable or romantic is a major reason religion sucks so much. And it does no one any good. Believing the less likely explanation in the face of extreme ignorance seems very silly to me. The idea that if things can be explained correctly against what reason would tend to tell us and that we can actually comprehend those things well enough to describe them accurately seems like an arrogant assumption to me.
I am not the kind of person who denies spiritual experiences to do so would be foolish (because tons of people have them and they are real, in the sense that people have them that is) but I am always a fan of redefining the way we think about things in order to make more sense. I don't think that they are any less valuable viewed this way and the tendency of people to see them as less valuable when you take out the god is a symptom of people being simply attracted to the romanticism of it all rather than valuing the actual experience.
just my two cents.
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JstHereFrTheCake said:
I am not trying to shit on anyone's parade, or beliefs I just happen to believe that interpreting things in certain ways simply because they are more palatable or romantic is a major reason religion sucks so much. And it does no one any good. Believing the less likely explanation in the face of extreme ignorance seems very silly to me. The idea that if things can be explained correctly against what reason would tend to tell us and that we can actually comprehend those things well enough to describe them accurately seems like an arrogant assumption to me.
I am not the kind of person who denies spiritual experiences to do so would be foolish (because tons of people have them and they are real, in the sense that people have them that is) but I am always a fan of redefining the way we think about things in order to make more sense. I don't think that they are any less valuable viewed this way and the tendency of people to see them as less valuable when you take out the god is a symptom of people being simply attracted to the romanticism of it all rather than valuing the actual experience.

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