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Re: Jesus and 2012 [Re: Lion]
#7864851 - 01/11/08 12:36 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Vibrations and the fact that although people come from all over they aren't that different at cultural core. Most early human programming is pretty consistent.
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Re: Jesus and 2012 [Re: Icelander]
#7864863 - 01/11/08 12:39 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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How would early human programming make one likely to believe in synchronicity and a global spiritual awakening?
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Re: Jesus and 2012 [Re: Lion]
#7864879 - 01/11/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Although we come from all walks of life the basic believe in a creator I believe is a cultural teaching. It's roots I believe are in death anxiety which I also believe was the impetus for the change from hunter gatherer to farming and large cities with large cultures. Religion evolves into ever more complex forms just like culture becomes more complex.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Jesus and 2012 [Re: Icelander]
#7864890 - 01/11/08 12:46 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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But a Creator is not necessarily needed for a global shift in consciousness; just a lot of individuals choosing to become more conscious...or the Tao unfolding in such a way that awareness increases.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Jesus and 2012 [Re: Lion]
#7864913 - 01/11/08 12:52 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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A global shift in consciousness is a religious belief IMO and so has a connection.
Tao=Twas ever thus. Look again at the cyclical nature of human culture. Rise up fall down again and again. Any positive global shift in consciousness will most likely be followed by a dark age. In fact I think the global positive shift in this cycle has already occurred and we are now slipping into darkness once again. The one thing that I think may interrupt this process would be extinction and that is most likely just a matter of time. We are just twig on a branch in the tree of life.
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Re: Jesus and 2012 [Re: Lion]
#7864923 - 01/11/08 12:54 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I don't know, but it's strange to me that now wherever I go, people are talking about "people are becoming more spiritual" and "it is now more important than ever to get control of the mind". I mean like, 1 in 5 people I run into - people at work, people at the bus stop, etc. I know, I know: What the thinker thinks, the prover proves. So maybe we're about to prove that a mass shift in consciousness is indeed possible.
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In fact I think the global positive shift in this cycle has already occurred and we are now slipping into darkness once again.
What makes you think this, besides cynicism?
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I know what you mean man. I'm basically totally split evenly on this. I like what Ram Dass says, which is that anything could happen...a global awakening or some sort of horrible flesh eating disease...and the most important thing would regardless be compassion and awareness of the perfection which is all existence.
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Maybe...
If you travel to many parts of the country you will see things differently.
If I went by my little new agey town I would think things weren't too bad off. But take a trip to Kansas and ask the farmers what they think of your spirituality. You might just be seen as the devil.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Jesus and 2012 [Re: Icelander]
#7865031 - 01/11/08 01:24 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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we are in the midst of darkness now. It's increasing rapidly and as things get worse i think we'll see spikes in paranormal activity and increased synchronicities. The trend seems to be that at the end of each age there is the dawn of of a new, and it's usually a beautiful time for many fields.
-------------------- Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time TRANSCEND
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ts727 said: we are in the midst of darkness now.
Are you sure? I don't really feel as though I'm in the midst of darkness...though there's definitely work to be done.
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Re: Jesus and 2012 [Re: Lion]
#7865058 - 01/11/08 01:31 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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The world is pretty much in complete turmoil and on the brink of a huge international incident and on the coat tails of the bhutto assassination. It's going to be pretty bad over the next five years, but it must get worse before it gets better.
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What makes you think this, besides cynicism?
Why does noticing human natures ups and downs equate to cynicism?
What "makes" me think this is I study history and I take notice of trends around me. Also I don't fear death as much as I used to so I have less points to defend and can take a more (IMO) unbiased look at things.
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Re: Jesus and 2012 [Re: Icelander]
#7865098 - 01/11/08 01:41 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Why does noticing human natures ups and downs equate to cynicism?
It doesn't, I apologize for projecting cynicism on to your words. I don't necessarily disagree with you either, and I am occasionally overcome with doubt for the coming years due to what I see going on around me with surveillance going up everywhere and much divisiveness in society. Especially here in Toronto, the most multi-cultural diverse city in the world, there is a dangerous lack of cohesiveness.
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Things fall apart. This is natures way. This is hard for us to take. It speaks of death and loss. We are dreamers for the most part I believe. Our dreams are made up of our hopes and fears and we project them out onto the tapestry of our lives and the world we see. Really we want to succeed and find a happy ending and keep on doing pleasurable things forever. And if things aren't pleasurable right now we think that given time they will be.
This just isn't natures way in the material world. Death and decay are the natural consequences of life and energy. It's all yin and yang, creation and destruction. I think one thing that really scares many of us is the thought that that is all there is to the game and no one is looking down on us and out for us and we will soon meet the common fate and be gone forever and all those hopes and dreams will come to naught.
To survive this Carlos Castaneda (and others although IMO not so poignantly) created the idea of the warriors way. It's the only way to look into all this and survive the sight according to him and I agree. One has to create a new paradigm (shields) to survive outside of the programming of culture. If humanity is ever to really change emotionally, then IMO we will have to deal effectively and positively with death.
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Re: Jesus and 2012 [Re: Icelander]
#7865549 - 01/11/08 03:28 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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you really know how to use imo. i wish more people did.
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Well although I am the Icelander that's all it is.
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Re: Jesus and 2012 [Re: Icelander]
#7865711 - 01/11/08 04:15 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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you are the icelander imo.
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He originally was the LiceLander, but there was a transcription error...
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ts727 said: and 2012 is rumored to be a great spiritual shift.
Is the shifter automatic, or manual in nature....?


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