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OfflineCacophony
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late night shroom agonies
    #7861880 - 01/10/08 09:25 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

During the last month or so, i have tripped three times, two unidentified strains, and my own PE. All three trips resulted in an inability to get comfortable, terrible muscle pains, and sleeplessness. I understand many of the potential side-effects that shrooms carry, however when searching the forums for a reason, i could not find any.

Is it a possibility that these bad effects are resulting from the mushroom fibers, and not the psilocybin?

Would an anti-histamine as well work to ease these side-effects?

I would be experimenting with soup or tea to discard the excess mushroom, and would take some benadryl, however the bad effects are killing the trips for me, I can no longer simply enjoy it, without evidence it seems way too painful to experiment.

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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: Cacophony]
    #7861911 - 01/10/08 09:29 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

I dont know why that would happen specifically, maybe you are sleep deprived. Try tripping during the day and moving about.

I know the worst feeling is when you've had a bad trip, its pretty much over and you just want to get to sleep, and you can't. That sucks bad.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: Cacophony]
    #7861945 - 01/10/08 09:32 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

I don't know if thats shroom load doing it to you. There is a tendency, while tripping I guess, to get locked into uncomfortable positions. I remember a bad trip where I took way to much and ended up naked in my cold apartment tub without any water for a couple of hours(I think). For the next week I hurt all over. I blame the cold and the sitting position I was in in my tub.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: fushock]
    #7862144 - 01/10/08 10:00 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

A heavy body load is something some people experience. Not much you can really do about it other than to stay up and active while you're tripping.

I know I myself have had a few achey shroom sessions that sucked for a few minutes, but if you can focus on other things, it tends to help keep your mind off your body. I like to put on a good trance mix or some other good music and just get lost, works every time I get crampy.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: Skeeblix]
    #7862361 - 01/10/08 10:43 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Why not try some other entheogens, like cactus?


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: FarFromHere]
    #7862398 - 01/10/08 10:50 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

I also have a hard time coming down on shrooms. After the afterglow period is winding down, I get muscle cramps and pretty much insomnia. I can always sleep fine but coming down always leaves me physically tired but too mentally awake to go to sleep. I have too many thoughts running through my head I guess.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: shroomben2003]
    #7862972 - 01/11/08 12:16 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

I always tense up in weird ways when I'm tripping. It takes some getting used to, plus with experience you start to learn how to stay in more comfortable positions.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7862995 - 01/11/08 12:23 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

i guess I'm one of the lucky ones. even on my higher trips with mushrooms or LSD i always have a nice come down and a great next day. shit, about 5 years ago i was an un experienced tripper and had gone to a small party with a few friends. one of the guys had about 2 ounces of shrooms on him and started passing them out. i ended up eating 4 handfuls and having a crazy ass trip. everyone else only had one handful. why we didn't weigh it out, i don't know. anyway, that was the strongest, most visual, longest trip Ive ever had and that next day i felt perfect.

how many grams do you think that was? the mushrooms were all tiny, maybe an inch at most and the guy said they were liberty caps.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7863165 - 01/11/08 01:08 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

I've also experienced this kind of a thing EVERY time i trip on shrooms, it's gotta be the body load... some sort of reaction to psilocybin.. I like the notion of tripping during the day and moving about to minimize these effects but I like tripping in total darkness and it's always at night when things are quiet and calm all around me.

Last time I tripped (2.8g) while I was peaking AND after, i felt like i couldn't remain still for long and had to "twitch" and toss and turn. I can control the urge but it felt like stuff was boiling to the surface and bubbles popping... Hard to explain. The time before that, I had a little less, only 2 grams and this didn't give me any noticeable high at all but all of the body load and side effects which was bad. I was in an agitated state and very disturbed, kept remembering uncomfortable things from the past.

It seems the more I take, the less body load I get or the good overpowers the bad, which made me decide to go with a full 1/8th next time, maybe a little more. I'm trying to find my sweet spot with shrooms and it's proving harder than lsd because (for me) the trip is always hanging by a thread and could swing from good to bad at any given moment the mushroom decides to do me in... I always get this idea or sense a presence of a sinister intelligence, controlling stuff with psilocybin, but never with LSD.

Even though my trips aren't happy like others', i find it intriguing and keep coming back to figure out what this thing is as it may be equally curious about me and I realize this is probably crazy, but it just feels that way when I'm tripping.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: c0_hush]
    #7865609 - 01/11/08 03:46 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

hey guys thank you for the responses.

I would love cactus, but i have two bags saturated with PE!

Tripping has proved quite odd for me, I cannot attribute my discomfort to a bad trip, as I see it, I cannot even say I have had a bad trip - even with bad thoughts. it is simply the side effects which get to me.

Night-time, at the current moment, is the best opportunity to sit down with a few buddies and smoke/trip, so daytime is currently out of the picture - we are all working and going to college atm.

I will try a nice dose, maybe 3.5 fresh next time with an anti-histamine on the ready, and see if the amount, with the pill, eases the bad. Last time when I realized how shitty the side effects were, I ate 1.5g of fresh PE.

BTW, i freeze dried a few fresh guys two nights ago, and made some soup out of them after they thawed, mush definitely retains its potency (I've heard otherwise)! My boy who ate the soup told me this morning that he was talking to Bruce Willis in the middle of watching die hard, so goddamn.. must be good.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: Cacophony]
    #7865653 - 01/11/08 03:59 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

In my experience, 9 times out of 10 physical discomfort is a result of an inability to let go mentally. Do you have any mental baggage you haven't really dealt with?

There's also the possibility that you're more sensitive to certain physical discomforts associated with mushrooms than most other people. Psilocybin extractions, though not too popular since mushrooms are (for most people) easily consumed, are fairly basic. Maybe just try extracting and gel capping psilocybin?


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7867254 - 01/11/08 10:55 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Nope, no mental baggage at all. An ex girlfriend has been the root of many pist off nights, but i trip with my boys, my great, great friends - and I never even think about the bitch. Alls well outside of that, and I do believe that the sub conscious is not a subtle reminder - Im set on the idea that it simply effects me differently, why, i do not know.

I do believe i will perform an extraction, I plan to extract dmt and I am familiar with how it could be done with booms - thank you for you input EllisDSox. I think a benadryl will suffice as well.

thanks guys,
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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: Cacophony]
    #7867264 - 01/11/08 11:01 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

try eating about 350 morning glory seeds, it will make the aches you get from mushrooms seem like a hot oil massage.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: doitagain]
    #7867270 - 01/11/08 11:04 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

god that must be fun man...f that haha!


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: doitagain]
    #7867271 - 01/11/08 11:04 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

i think its because mushrooms are verry stressfull and that can a number on ur boby but other then that i couldent help u


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: doitagain]
    #7867308 - 01/11/08 11:14 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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try eating about 350 morning glory seeds, it will make the aches you get from mushrooms seem like a hot oil massage.




I ate 500 morning glory seeds and it actually gave me a very pleasant body high.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: g00ru]
    #7867396 - 01/11/08 11:46 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

i ate 5 hbwr and threw up all over a sink at a fridays! :thumbdown:


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: c0_hush]
    #7868466 - 01/12/08 09:32 AM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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I always get this idea or sense a presence of a sinister intelligence, controlling stuff with psilocybin, but never with LSD.




When i trip it gives me the same feeling but only not a sinister intelligence more of it makes me beleive that their may be a god. i get a good vibe that we may actually go somewhere when we die if ya feel me.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: PreparationH]
    #7870926 - 01/12/08 09:02 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Hey guys,
Last night I ate my homegrown and it was great. Within twenty minutes i had terrible leg pains once again and was writhing, however i took an anti-histamine and the problem subsided within the next twenty minutes following. I suggest that ANYONE who has any sort of side effects what so ever from tripping, take a benadryl, it worked wonders for me and rejuvenated my love for mush.

Actually, this was the best trip I've ever had, I remember telling my buddy that i knew what it was like to be toothpaste, and he looked back over and told me that was nothing, he said he was a dollar bill, and he understood the intrinsic value of all monetary systems... mindfuck fellas.

peace,
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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: Cacophony]
    #7880696 - 01/14/08 10:09 PM (16 years, 18 days ago)

I'm a little confused as to what you're talking about here. Are you talking about the body load during the trip, or pains that result after the trip?

For me I've been having problem with incredible body load the last few times I've tripped. I just don't feel comfortable with myself and just shake and turn a lot. It really distracts me from the trip and I can't enjoy it. I do tend to think higher doses (2.5-3.5) minimize, or even eliminate this, I'm just scared to try lately in fear it'll make it worse.

I always figured that it was part of the trip, and you're saying something simple as benedryl takes care of this? I'm skeptical, why would you even think this would work? If it does then awesome, but I generally don't like to consume thinks when I'm tripping, especially medicine, so I'm hesitant to do this.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: krypto2000]
    #7881274 - 01/15/08 12:11 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

they had always helped me sleep in the past. I haven't had a huge problem sleeping in my life, but on the odd night, they had always relaxed me enough to get some sleep.
Every time I've tripped, my legs would start to cramp up in tandem with the onset of the trip itself.
Don't get me wrong about the benadryl though, I have no medical background, just the preconceived idea that because I had taken it for so long, it couldn't hurt to try. I know antihistamine works to stop allergic reaction, but it was only an assumption in the long run as to whether it would help.
I took a benadry 25 minutes after eating the booms, fully unable to get comfortable, and feeling my legs hurt once again, but one antihistamine stopped these effects in 20 minutes, and I was fine for the remainder of the trip. I cant really solve your skepticism, however this is my experience, and I may never again trip without benadry at night.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: Cacophony]
    #7882826 - 01/15/08 11:16 AM (16 years, 17 days ago)

hmm, well I'll have some on hand next time in case I decide to try it out. Thanks for the advice.


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Re: late night shroom agonies [Re: krypto2000]
    #7883195 - 01/15/08 12:23 PM (16 years, 17 days ago)

I get that with certain strains, A strain made me wiggle around in my bed for the whoel trip i could not get comfortable for the life of me.

try sum thai or B+ or mexican, imho mexican are the best and ive tripped over 100 times off at least 10 different strains of cubes, fresh and dry.


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