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so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help!
#7861528 - 01/10/08 08:37 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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i got a huge shipment from newegg today, and much to my surprise, I had the whole thing put together, running, and installed vista within an hour... then, it started to just shut off at random.
I rechecked connections, etc. Then I checked my temperature in the BIOS... it was at 89! I immediately turned it off, praying I didn't fry the CPU.
I've tried reseating the heatsink, putting all the fans on high, etc. Everytime I boot up and go into the BIOS, I can see the CPU temperature starting around 60c, and rapidly climbing up. After 3 times of it getting past 70c, I turned it off.
I am guessing that the heatsink wasn't applied properly (stock). I'm not overclocking, and the ambient room temp is about 73f.
As of now, I gave up - and plan on getting some Arctic Silver Thermal Grease tomorrow, and possibly a new (better) heatsink.
First of all, the computer still boots and etc, so I probably didn't kill my CPU... but are there any other reasons this could be happening?
this sucks...
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: kotik]
#7861549 - 01/10/08 08:41 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah, it's definitely the lack of good thermal paste. I'm assuming you just put on the heat sink with whatever shitty paste was plastered or did you just put on the heat sink with out paste?
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: robbyberto]
#7861607 - 01/10/08 08:47 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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heh, no I made sure there was paste... but it was just the stock heatsink that comes with an intel CPU, and I DID notice that the thermal paste "pads" on the bottom were applied really crappy (they had bubbles in them and etc).
However, I've read in lots of places that the stock heatsink is fine if you aren't overclocking. Obviously, I need to get myself some paste. I'll probably just get a decent CPU cooler while I'm at it, since they have this snap into place shit that's really horrible.
Thanks, now I'm just hoping that 90c doesn't permanently damage a chip. No signs yet, but I'm not going to turn it back on now until I have a new cooling solution.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: kotik]
#7861719 - 01/10/08 09:03 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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I had a hard time telling if my stock AMD fan clipped on properly. Sometimes it takes a lot of force to get them on. Maybe you could run of to a computer store and get shitty paste. I know I would if I had that CPU.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: robbyberto]
#7862324 - 01/10/08 10:34 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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90 C shouldn't have hurt it permanently. Just get yourself a good cooler and heat paste and make sure it is on properly next time. Enjoy your new quad core by the way.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: kotik]
#7863331 - 01/11/08 01:58 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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sumpin' gotta be up w/ that hsf............ you got all 4 of its pins to lock properly and have its cable plugged into the motherboard right? did you see that the fan was working at all?
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: robbyberto]
#7863593 - 01/11/08 04:08 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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> Yeah, it's definitely the lack of good thermal paste
The less a person declares as fact, the less they look like an ass in hindsight.
One thing I have seen that stumped me for a while... reset your BIOS to factor defaults. I got a motherboard once that somebody had apparently played with before hand, even though it was in a sealed box. The BIOS settings for overclocking were all maxed out. When I reset BIOS to factor defaults, my problems went away.
Other common gotchas:
Make certain the CPU fan is plugged into the proper header on the logic board. Make certain the CPU fan header matches the logic board header (3 for 3 or 4 for 4 pins. Don't mix a 3 pin fan header to a 4 pin logic board) Make certain the CPU fan is spinning. Make certain the CPU heat sink is big enough. An Intel Q6600/Q6700 can put out 130watts of heat (in some cases); twice what most heat sinks are designed to handle. Make certain that the CPU heat sink is properly secured. Make certain that the TIM (thermal interface material) is properly applied. Make certain that there is airflow out of the computer. Clean up wires as much as possible; tie them out of the way of airflow.
> and plan on getting some Arctic Silver Thermal Grease tomorrow
I am one of the few that don't like Arctic Silver, which contains metal. I guess if you are not going below ambient, then it probably doesn't matter. I usually use Arctic Ceramique which is metal free.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: CosmicJoke]
#7863594 - 01/11/08 04:11 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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yup, I turned the case on without putting the sides on, to make sure all fans were running, and they were. The pins are in correct. Perhaps the heatsink wasn't snapped in properly. I was afraid I was going to snap the MoBo with one of the pins, but it felt very secure.
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll post an update later today after I apply some new paste and perhaps get a new heatsink/fan combo.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: kotik]
#7863603 - 01/11/08 04:17 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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> Perhaps the heatsink wasn't snapped in properly. I was afraid I was going to snap the MoBo with one of the pins, but it felt very secure.
If I remember correctly, the Q6600/Q6700 are designed for 60lbs of force between the heat sink and the heat spreader on the CPU. Probably want to double check me on this one; it has been a while since I looked at the numbers.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: kotik]
#7863618 - 01/11/08 04:39 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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they don't really need much force, they just have to be aligned properly and then you know how the pins have both a black exterior and a white interior? the black exteriors can't be pushed into the white interior, they need to be pulled up and rotated clockwise so they point outwards. then you push two in diagonally at a time.... if you're going w/ new paste make sure to wipe the old paste off both your cpu and the hsf. g'luck man.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: CosmicJoke]
#7863630 - 01/11/08 04:56 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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> they don't really need much force
Intel® Core™2 Extreme Quad-Core Processor and Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Thermal and Mechanical Design Guidelines http://download.intel.com/design/processor/designex/31559406.pdf:
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The attach mechanism for the heatsink developed to support the processor should create a static preload on the package between 18 lbf and 70 lbf throughout the life of the product for designs compliant with the reference design assumptions:
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Ensuring thermal performance of the thermal interface material (TIM) applied between the IHS and the heatsink. TIMs based on phase change materials are very sensitive to applied pressure: the higher the pressure, the better the initial performance. TIMs such as thermal greases are not as sensitive to applied pressure. Designs should consider a possible decrease in applied pressure over time due to potential structural relaxation in retention components.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: Seuss]
#7863643 - 01/11/08 05:10 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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well I will admit to one mistake I made, which probably isn't helping.
After I noticed the CPU was too hot the first time, I decided to re-seat the heatsink. When I did that, I actually rotated it, so that I could plug the fan in easier.. however I didn't wipe of the "thermal interface material" before rotating it 90 degrees. Anyways, I didn't have any other paste or anything.
Seriously, that "TIM" pad that came on the stock heatsink was sloppy at best. Like I said before, it was full of bubbles and uneven application, but since it's a pad, there wasnt much I could do.
After I took it off the first time, I saw that it looked just like any other paste - it had smeared into a circular layer just like any other paste.
As for the installation, it was awkward at best. I'm not a big fan of the push-pins and the twist to release method.
ive got my heart set on the zalman 9700. my case is an antec p182 full tower, so I have the room.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: kotik]
#7863700 - 01/11/08 06:00 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I found this that might help. This guy was also getting 90C and fixed it by messing with the pins. Also, be careful to support the PCB when you push on the pins so you don't crack it, but I'm sure you already know that.
Here's the link: http://sillydog.org/forum/sdt_8472.php
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: Diploid]
#7863771 - 01/11/08 06:36 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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thanks for the link! Seems to reconfirm what I've been thinking.
I will actually take the motherboard out, and reattach the heatsink with the board out of the case, so ensure it has a proper fit. If that doesn't work, I'll get some paste and reapply... and if THAT doesn't work, Ill be on newegg this weekend to order a new heatsink that screws into the board, instead of snapping.
Im just glad nothing was DOA. I expected a few minor problems, but still surprised I got it to run long enough to format the harddrive and install vista.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: kotik]
#7863837 - 01/11/08 07:03 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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> but still surprised I got it to run long enough to format the harddrive and install vista.
A lot of newer CPUs will self-throttle as they get to warm to try and prevent thermal death.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: Seuss]
#7864710 - 01/11/08 12:02 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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mmmhmmm.... i was referring to kotik pushing on the hsf pins so hard that he felt like he was going to snap the motherboard.... if the pins aren't set up right, you can push as hard as you want on them and they're never going to lock into place properly. that's all.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: CosmicJoke]
#7865087 - 01/11/08 01:38 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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oops... 
Oh well, good information, none-the-less.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: kotik]
#7866725 - 01/11/08 08:39 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I have the Intel q6600. Amazing little thing it is.
Everything I read online about it and on Newegg especially, said to not use the stock heatsink, so I purchased a $50 heatsink and while rendering in After Effects , which uses about 2.5 gigs of RAM and utilizes three of the processors at once and image correcting in photoshop simultaneously, it never went above 55c. I shit you not.
Buy a better heatsink.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835200026
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#7867086 - 01/11/08 10:15 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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thanks, i ended up buying a new heatsink from newegg today at lunch. guess ill have to wait another week before I get my baby running
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: kotik]
#7868038 - 01/12/08 03:03 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Did you get a "box" processor or OEM? I'm wondering if the crappy heatsink is the default one supplied by Intel in the box version, or if the vendor is taking an OEM cpu and adding a cheap heatsink. In the later case, we would loose the 3-year warranty that comes with the box version.
> guess ill have to wait another week before I get my baby running
The biggest downside to building your own hardware is waiting for all the parts to arrive.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: Seuss]
#7868047 - 01/12/08 03:09 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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reset the heatsink with adequate thermal gunk and check the bios' cpu voltage
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: flavoraid]
#7868157 - 01/12/08 05:50 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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its a retail, boxed CPU.
I didnt have luck re-seating the heatsink, which may also be because i didnt get any new thermal paste yet (locally, they only have really crappy stuff). New heatsink will be here wednesday.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: Seuss]
#7868213 - 01/12/08 07:03 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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If the heatsink is too hot to touch, then the heatsink is insufficent. I got a big zalman cooler on mine, it's a quad core 6600 that runs at 70C (core) 54C (cpu) full load.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: Visionary Tools]
#7874711 - 01/13/08 06:19 PM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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Are you overclocking yours? My cores never go over 44c when I'm idle...
I'm not overclocking mine presently.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#7877556 - 01/14/08 09:43 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Penguarky Tunguin said: I have the Intel q6600. Amazing little thing it is.
Everything I read online about it and on Newegg especially, said to not use the stock heatsink, so I purchased a $50 heatsink and while rendering in After Effects , which uses about 2.5 gigs of RAM and utilizes three of the processors at once and image correcting in photoshop simultaneously, it never went above 55c. I shit you not.
Buy a better heatsink.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835200026
That thing weighs 503g according to one comment. Thats more than a pound.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: RuNE]
#7877566 - 01/14/08 09:46 AM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Forgot to mention, the C2D chips are rated far above older CPUs. Older chips were in danger of frying above 75C, but I know I've read the C2D's are rated up to 100C.
Still, obviously a new cooling solution was needed, hope the one you ordered works out for ya.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: RuNE]
#7878809 - 01/14/08 03:31 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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me too... 2 more days until it gets here!
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: RuNE]
#7878937 - 01/14/08 03:57 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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RuNE said:
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Penguarky Tunguin said: I have the Intel q6600. Amazing little thing it is.
Everything I read online about it and on Newegg especially, said to not use the stock heatsink, so I purchased a $50 heatsink and while rendering in After Effects , which uses about 2.5 gigs of RAM and utilizes three of the processors at once and image correcting in photoshop simultaneously, it never went above 55c. I shit you not.
Buy a better heatsink.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835200026
That thing weighs 503g according to one comment. Thats more than a pound.
Yep, it's sturdy as hell and you have to mount with included bracket on teh back of the motherboard with screws. It's a monster, but it works amazing.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! (moved) [Re: kotik]
#7879314 - 01/14/08 05:11 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Nevermind...
Edited by Diploid (01/14/08 08:45 PM)
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: Visionary Tools]
#7880379 - 01/14/08 08:43 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Visionary Tools said: If the heatsink is too hot to touch, then the heatsink is insufficent. I got a big zalman cooler on mine, it's a quad core 6600 that runs at 70C (core) 54C (cpu) full load.
If it's not warm at all, or hardly, then it's not making good contact either and thus not doing it's job. Also it could just be that you're temp sensor is fucked up, the built in ones aren't known for their accuracy.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! (moved) [Re: kotik]
#7880397 - 01/14/08 08:46 PM (16 years, 18 days ago) |
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Nevermind...
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! (moved) [Re: Diploid]
#7889603 - 01/16/08 06:38 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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hey guys, thanks for the help! Installed my new heatsink/fan today, and now I'm at a cool 42C, no problems!
Phew, that had me feeling down for a little while! If anything else happens, I'll bump this thread, but everything looks good.
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Re: so my CPU (quad core) is running at 90c - help! [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#7889965 - 01/16/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Penguarky Tunguin said: Are you overclocking yours? My cores never go over 44c when I'm idle...
I'm not overclocking mine presently.
I have not yet felt the need to overclock it. Those are the temperatures it normally runs at.
I have a soundcard above my graphics card, and I suspect the static/hissy noise I hear occasionally, especially when playing games, is caused by it overheating. I'm going to affix a heatsink to it using thermal conductive tape, and uninstall it, then reinstall it underneath the graphics card. Hopefully there's enough room to do that and ensure good airflow.
It's an 8800GTX, and it's quiet.
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