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OfflineSiekoaktiv
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Fucking horrible weed experience
    #7860740 - 01/10/08 05:37 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

I don't know what happened, but it was probably the depression I've been stuck in for the past few days, thinking about death and shit. Last night, I got really high, and I accidentally started thinking about death. I thought about what it would feel like to not exist anymore, and that got me started on thinking about all the great memories I have... I don't want to loose them, and I can't bear the thought of ceasing to exist. Nothing has ever felt this real, and yet everything feels so foreign. I don't know what to do... I would feel so much better if I believed in some sort of life after death, yet I can't force myself to believe it. The only thing that seems probable is just... death. Nothing after, just to stop existing... the thought of that scares the shit out of me.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7860765 - 01/10/08 05:44 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

there doesn't have to be a god for there to be an afterlife.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7860767 - 01/10/08 05:45 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

I know what you mean. Sometimes I think, I want there to be something after death. And then I get real with myself. And then I know that in all probability, there isn't, that it's just like before we were born.

I deal with the same problems, all I can tell you is that you're thinking of it within the context of eternity. I think of my own life as eternity. Its not death then nothing. Its death.

Really, you can't worry about it. Don't try to make yourself prepared. Don't try to come to grips with it, it's bigger than you are.

Just live, and any sort of inner peace will come with time.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: g00ru]
    #7860777 - 01/10/08 05:48 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

I just feel so trapped, you know? I wish this could go on forever, but there's 0% chance of that happening. I'm completely unmotivated to do anything at all, because it just feels like there's no point. I feel horrible. :sad:


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NuggetPorch said - "YES! YES!!!! Coaster its Faint, but its fucking there YOU see it!!! Perhaps we are both on some sort of unusual wave length associated with unusual neuro-transmitters, mind expansion white light, or something we can not even begin to understand or fathom to conceive because it is a gift of insight or a curse given to us by powers beyond our control, something we are not meant to know."


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7860783 - 01/10/08 05:51 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

quit dwelling on it bro

make it best of it while you're here...

after all.. it's a beautiful ride.



in my dreams your blowin me.. some kisses.

just chill bro. maybe quit smoking.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7860785 - 01/10/08 05:51 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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Siekoaktiv said:
I just feel so trapped, you know? I wish this could go on forever, but there's 0% chance of that happening. I'm completely unmotivated to do anything at all, because it just feels like there's no point. I feel horrible. :sad:




In a universal sense, you're right, theres probably no point.

But within the context of your life and your life only, theres a HUGE point to being motivated.  People think they're gonna go to heaven and get some fuckin prize for all the money they've made.  Ya don't. There's no final report card (as far as I can tell). Just live to make yourself happy.  In many cases success is part of that, and as we all know motivation is a huge part of success.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: g00ru]
    #7860809 - 01/10/08 05:59 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Next time you're REALLY high, read some of this-

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: g00ru]
    #7860814 - 01/10/08 06:02 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

hello death anxiety.

Some would say death is the greatest experience of all.
I dont wanna die now, but i do wanna be aware of my passing.

I'm interested to see what people think about an ego death experience and if it effects death anxiety.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Innominate]
    #7860822 - 01/10/08 06:03 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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Innominate said:
Next time you're REALLY high, read some of this-

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm




I'm literally gonna read every word on this site.

Thank you. 5 shrooms for you.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: origami.octopus]
    #7860825 - 01/10/08 06:05 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

ive had the same problems be4
and when i would contemplate it i would do really irrational things because i thought nothing matterd(this is how ppl get hurt)
and then i realized ceasing to exist really isnt that bad
think about be4 u were born
u didnt exist, and u were fine
dont worry about it bro i had the same problems but i got over it
except i cant take over an 8th of shrooms cuz that feeling comes back and turns a good experience into the worst imaginable (and i really think most people cant imagine the horrors ive realized)


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7860829 - 01/10/08 06:06 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Who says you lose all your memories when you die?


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7860867 - 01/10/08 06:18 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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Who says you lose all your memories when you die?




It just doesn't seem possible... memories are stored in your brain... and it's a very well known fact that the brain decomposes after death, just like everything else.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7860891 - 01/10/08 06:24 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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I just feel so trapped, you know? I wish this could go on forever, but there's 0% chance of that happening. I'm completely unmotivated to do anything at all, because it just feels like there's no point. I feel horrible. :sad:



But this WILL go on forever, as you know it!  For most likely, once your life ends, so with it goes your consciousness. 
With no consciousness, you cannot be aware of your existance or lack thereof.  Have not worry over things beyond your control, instead,
attempt to focus your conscious mind on the present moment, for this is all you will ever truly have the ability to affect.



Do not give in to the dreaded apathy, I implore you!
There is a lot of good stuff out there to experience. :sun:





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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Cannabischarlie]
    #7860898 - 01/10/08 06:25 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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there doesn't have to be a god for there to be an afterlife.




He never said anything about god.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: jewunit]
    #7860922 - 01/10/08 06:30 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

To to OP, I actually had that exact experience about a week ago. I mean dude.. I literally started flippin out inside my head, i managed to calm myself down. That experience will never be forgotten. Been thinking about all that stuff allot lately.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: DiabloSmurf]
    #7860952 - 01/10/08 06:36 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Nothing after death is a possiblity. But just because that makes sense to you doesnt necessarily mean its true. Think about things youve seen or thought on psychedelics you would have never imagined. Their is a hell of a lot we dont know, and we are way more than just a body.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7860978 - 01/10/08 06:42 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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I don't know what happened, but it was probably the depression I've been stuck in for the past few days, thinking about death and shit. Last night, I got really high, and I accidentally started thinking about death. I thought about what it would feel like to not exist anymore, and that got me started on thinking about all the great memories I have... I don't want to loose them, and I can't bear the thought of ceasing to exist. Nothing has ever felt this real, and yet everything feels so foreign. I don't know what to do... I would feel so much better if I believed in some sort of life after death, yet I can't force myself to believe it. The only thing that seems probable is just... death. Nothing after, just to stop existing... the thought of that scares the shit out of me.




Dawg I got the same shit goin on right now I feelz ya. But sometimes man, you jsut gotta say fuck it because you can't change it.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7860982 - 01/10/08 06:43 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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Penguarky Tunguin said:
Who says you lose all your memories when you die?




It just doesn't seem possible... memories are stored in your brain... and it's a very well known fact that the brain decomposes after death, just like everything else.






"Death is our eternal companion. It is always to our left, an arm's length behind us. Death is the only wise adviser that a warrior has. Whenever he feels that everything is going wrong and he's about to be annihilated, he can turn to his death and ask if that is so. His death will tell him that he is wrong, that nothing really matters outside its touch. His death will tell him, I haven't touched you yet.'"


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #7861073 - 01/10/08 07:03 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

^ Sounds good. But when we die, we die.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: DiabloSmurf]
    #7861081 - 01/10/08 07:05 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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To to OP, I actually had that exact experience about a week ago. I mean dude.. I literally started flippin out inside my head, i managed to calm myself down. That experience will never be forgotten. Been thinking about all that stuff allot lately.




Yeah, I also won't soon forget my experience. It seems like it lasted 30 minutes, but from what I remember about the tv show that was on at the time, it was only about 10. I started getting so worried and freaking out, and I decided the only way to stop it was to go to sleep. Once in bed, I felt my heartbeat and it felt like it was going twice its normal speed. Finally, I was able to get to sleep.


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NuggetPorch said - "YES! YES!!!! Coaster its Faint, but its fucking there YOU see it!!! Perhaps we are both on some sort of unusual wave length associated with unusual neuro-transmitters, mind expansion white light, or something we can not even begin to understand or fathom to conceive because it is a gift of insight or a curse given to us by powers beyond our control, something we are not meant to know."


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Innominate]
    #7861341 - 01/10/08 07:59 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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Innominate said:
Next time you're REALLY high, read some of this-

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm




That's some pretty trippy stuff. Some a bit outlandish but for the most part in the correct or possible department.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Army of None]
    #7862554 - 01/10/08 11:12 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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Innominate said:
Next time you're REALLY high, read some of this-

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm




That's some pretty trippy stuff. Some a bit outlandish but for the most part in the correct or possible department.




Yeah, it's really crazy, but not really the type of stuff I'd like to look at when I'm stoned. I think that would just make things worse.


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NuggetPorch said - "YES! YES!!!! Coaster its Faint, but its fucking there YOU see it!!! Perhaps we are both on some sort of unusual wave length associated with unusual neuro-transmitters, mind expansion white light, or something we can not even begin to understand or fathom to conceive because it is a gift of insight or a curse given to us by powers beyond our control, something we are not meant to know."


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7862620 - 01/10/08 11:19 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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Army of None said:
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Innominate said:
Next time you're REALLY high, read some of this-

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm




That's some pretty trippy stuff. Some a bit outlandish but for the most part in the correct or possible department.




Yeah, it's really crazy, but not really the type of stuff I'd like to look at when I'm stoned. I think that would just make things worse.




Heavens no, I had a friend put in my DVD copy of a Clock Work Orange while we were shrooming.....it was horrible yet impossible to look away from.....fucker.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7863336 - 01/11/08 02:00 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Well this dark cloud has a silver lining: you are depressed BUT you don't want to die. A will to live is important and probably a sign you will overcome this depression.

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I thought about what it would feel like to not exist anymore




If you're not there, you're not there. A trillion years will feel like infinitely less than a split second.

Most scientists agree that a couple billion years ago something just snapped, and the Universe emerged from it. The Big Bang. A lot of scientists also agree that the material universe will return to the void which might have existed before the big bang.

There are some scientists who believe that big bang universe creations like ours happen once in a while, and that they will happen forever and ever. This once in a while is a huuuge while: I read a number of a 1 with 1056 zeros behind it, and that many years, give or take.

That's an awful long time to wait for your turn at the dentist's office, but wait: you are dead. Even if you multiply that number of years by itself, it still will last less than a split second for you.

The essence of you is something in your brain probably. A little co-op of chemistry and physics thats just a tiny fraction of what you are. It is something that exists in at least humans, but probably in many, many other life forms.

Some big bang universes create lifeforms wherein you can occur. It has happened now after all.

If eternity keeps on throwing out all possible big bangs over and over, it will run out of different variations. A big bang has a limited size of stuff and with a limited size of stuff there's only so much you can do. So what eternity does, is recycle everything that is possible in every possible way, and that forever.

Think about this. What it means for you is that you will live every possible life, forever. You are eternal. All that is lost will be regained.

you die, you have the death experience, then there's a zap of time and space that you won't even notice because it happens in literally no time at all for you, and there your essence is once more, in a womb or an egg on some alien planet you get to explore when you grow up. You get a fresh install on a new machine in a new hardware environment. Your genetic coding, experience and parents and friends will help you write a new operating system without all the bugs accumulated during the service life of your previous install.

And this forever.

It doesn't matter how long you are dead, because for you it will pass unnoticed.

100 years before you were born you were as dead as you can possibly be. Your sperm and egg didn't even exist. And look what happened, here you are! Fifty billion years ago the universe that would create you didn't even exist. But here it is and here you are.

Don't let nihilism get the better of you. To quote Jurassic Park: "Life will find a way". It did before you were born and will after you die. When you die your clock will stop and it will only start again when you are reborn. And over time, eventually, you will. Eternity and Infinity are just too mindbogglingly vast for it not to happen.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Army of None]
    #7863395 - 01/11/08 02:19 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

great movie! never seen it while tripping though. i havent even seen the wall while tripping. i want to invest in a FUCKING AWESOME surround sound and buy The Wall then make some lsd, ill have a better chance making it then finding it, and just get lost in the movie.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Asante]
    #7863407 - 01/11/08 02:21 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Read some philosophy.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: downforpot]
    #7863412 - 01/11/08 02:23 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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Read some philosophy.





Why?


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Asante]
    #7864064 - 01/11/08 09:20 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Wiccan_Seeker, how did you become so wise!?

Your theory really brings me warm feelings and will give me something to think about for a long time.

You know, you're probably right. In fact, I'm positive your theory makes more sense than any other I've ever read.

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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: psychejam]
    #7864189 - 01/11/08 09:59 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

this happens to me everytime i think high. I thought it was just something that comes with the territory.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7864232 - 01/11/08 10:09 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

The thought of death scares the shit out of me, too. I don't want to die, and I'll put it off as long as I can. At the same time...it seems rather pointless to dwell on it. Any time spent thinking about what comes after this life (if anything) is time completely wasted.

Much better to spend your time living...something you surely can't do when your dead :wink:

Edit: living means doing anything that isn't preparation for death...


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: trendal]
    #7864248 - 01/11/08 10:14 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

i dont think so. I live to accept that day. So that means i prepare for it so the transition is in no way harsh. Hopefully it will be more aof a familiar feeling than a scary one.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7864379 - 01/11/08 10:45 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

i used to think about death and how one day ill be laying there in my casket for every one to look at and not be alive, and than just Lye there forever without a thought knowing my body will be forever lifeless. trying to actually understand this feeling is crazy weird and i used to be real depressed and not know why. I didn't want kids because i didn't want to be sitting in my room like my dad with no idea my kid is in his room contemplating suicide, because he is just disappointed in the world. Its like "you put the empty milk gallon back in the fridge when your done, and keep doing it until you have no room for your new milk" we would never have this problem because we see the big picture and know, "just throw away the empties." Life is hard to look at the big picture because culture is going to take you down the wrong direction one way or another your a product of your raising so you cant help but to think a certain way.
what psychedelics does is lets you forget all that and see the big picture
some times you have allot of fridge emptying but eventually you can drink your milk again with no second thoughts


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: trendal]
    #7864469 - 01/11/08 11:11 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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Any time spent thinking about what comes after this life (if anything) is time completely wasted.





I disagree.
Sure, nothing can be proven, but I really think you should look for the answers that would fit life as you understand it.

I found my answers and they are a great comfort to me in times of need.

But I think the bottom line is TRUST. You can mistrust an ex or a presidential candidate, but can you really mistrust something as impartial as the Universe? It gave you everything you are. Everything you are. It made you possible and gave you your life.

If you don't want to find out for yourself what will happen after death, at least make sure that you do not mistrust the Universe itself. The Universe is beyond good and evil, it won't pull a nasty trick on you nor will it do something unnatural.

If you mistrust the Universe you are setting yourself up for unhappyness.

Getting entangled in fear of death - now that is a crying shame. Exploring the afterlife is just another form of self-exploration.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Asante]
    #7864536 - 01/11/08 11:23 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

How can you think of something that won't exist? You said it yourself...

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If you're not there, you're not there. A trillion years will feel like infinitely less than a split second.




If there is no afterlife, why think about one?

If you are instead thinking about what the Universe does when you're not around...that isn't really thinking about your death, is it? :wink:


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7864543 - 01/11/08 11:24 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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I don't know what happened, but it was probably the depression I've been stuck in for the past few days, thinking about death and shit. Last night, I got really high, and I accidentally started thinking about death. I thought about what it would feel like to not exist anymore, and that got me started on thinking about all the great memories I have... I don't want to loose them, and I can't bear the thought of ceasing to exist. Nothing has ever felt this real, and yet everything feels so foreign. I don't know what to do... I would feel so much better if I believed in some sort of life after death, yet I can't force myself to believe it. The only thing that seems probable is just... death. Nothing after, just to stop existing... the thought of that scares the shit out of me.




i cannot express how many times i've come to this point myself.
time after time i've found myself scared shitless of ceasing to exist, because the human mind cannot grasp the simplicity of it.

the only thing that keeps me going is hope.

think about it man, theres so many possibilities
and if you look at it even more speculative, life on earth is such an amazing beautiful thing (even mankind, despite all this talk of us digging our own grave) and apparantly extrememy rare, otherwise where are our alien neighbors? (i'm not saying there arnt aliens out there somewhere, i'm limiting this thought to nearby).

or you can go on to think about why the universe itself exists, theres no reason behind it so draw your hope from that.

no ones been there and back to tell you that there is or isn't life beyond death.

its a shot in the dark, a beautiful mystery.
all you can really do is hope.

and don't waste your life worrying! if its all you got, love it!
if there is afterlife you'll be kicking yourself for wasting it!


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: trendal]
    #7864546 - 01/11/08 11:24 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

who says there is no afterlife?


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7864563 - 01/11/08 11:27 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

and god damn wiccan seeker, you're the best.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7864575 - 01/11/08 11:29 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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who says there is no afterlife?




Wiccan_Seeker did, in his first post in this thread.

(I agree with him)


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Siekoaktiv]
    #7864584 - 01/11/08 11:30 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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Who says you lose all your memories when you die?




It just doesn't seem possible... memories are stored in your brain... and it's a very well known fact that the brain decomposes after death, just like everything else.




How memories are stored in the brain is still not fully understood. There have been tests where scientists train mice to perform a task and start dissecting parts of their brain in an attempt to see where the memories are stored. What they found was that the mice would get more braindead as they cut tissue away but they were still able to perform the task.

I read about that in a book called the Holographic Universe which is very interesting if you're into that kinda thing.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Stizzle]
    #7865566 - 01/11/08 03:32 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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Penguarky Tunguin said:
Who says you lose all your memories when you die?




It just doesn't seem possible... memories are stored in your brain... and it's a very well known fact that the brain decomposes after death, just like everything else.




How memories are stored in the brain is still not fully understood. There have been tests where scientists train mice to perform a task and start dissecting parts of their brain in an attempt to see where the memories are stored. What they found was that the mice would get more braindead as they cut tissue away but they were still able to perform the task.

I read about that in a book called the Holographic Universe which is very interesting if you're into that kinda thing.




I do have the Holographic Universe, I've never read it though... anyway, from what you're saying, memories are holographically dispersed through the entire brain. While this is interesting, we can still come to the conclusion that after the EITIRE brain is taken away, the memories will no longer be there... I've basically come to the conclusion (so far) that there is no soul, and we are what we are; sentient animals.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: Asante]
    #7869375 - 01/12/08 03:04 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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Well this dark cloud has a silver lining: you are depressed BUT you don't want to die. A will to live is important and probably a sign you will overcome this depression.

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I thought about what it would feel like to not exist anymore




If you're not there, you're not there. A trillion years will feel like infinitely less than a split second.

Most scientists agree that a couple billion years ago something just snapped, and the Universe emerged from it. The Big Bang. A lot of scientists also agree that the material universe will return to the void which might have existed before the big bang.

There are some scientists who believe that big bang universe creations like ours happen once in a while, and that they will happen forever and ever. This once in a while is a huuuge while: I read a number of a 1 with 1056 zeros behind it, and that many years, give or take.

That's an awful long time to wait for your turn at the dentist's office, but wait: you are dead. Even if you multiply that number of years by itself, it still will last less than a split second for you.

The essence of you is something in your brain probably. A little co-op of chemistry and physics thats just a tiny fraction of what you are. It is something that exists in at least humans, but probably in many, many other life forms.

Some big bang universes create lifeforms wherein you can occur. It has happened now after all.

If eternity keeps on throwing out all possible big bangs over and over, it will run out of different variations. A big bang has a limited size of stuff and with a limited size of stuff there's only so much you can do. So what eternity does, is recycle everything that is possible in every possible way, and that forever.

Think about this. What it means for you is that you will live every possible life, forever. You are eternal. All that is lost will be regained.

you die, you have the death experience, then there's a zap of time and space that you won't even notice because it happens in literally no time at all for you, and there your essence is once more, in a womb or an egg on some alien planet you get to explore when you grow up. You get a fresh install on a new machine in a new hardware environment. Your genetic coding, experience and parents and friends will help you write a new operating system without all the bugs accumulated during the service life of your previous install.

And this forever.

It doesn't matter how long you are dead, because for you it will pass unnoticed.

100 years before you were born you were as dead as you can possibly be. Your sperm and egg didn't even exist. And look what happened, here you are! Fifty billion years ago the universe that would create you didn't even exist. But here it is and here you are.

Don't let nihilism get the better of you. To quote Jurassic Park: "Life will find a way". It did before you were born and will after you die. When you die your clock will stop and it will only start again when you are reborn. And over time, eventually, you will. Eternity and Infinity are just too mindbogglingly vast for it not to happen.




Very well written. I believe the same thing, I've always just found it hard to put into words. Essentially energy can neither be created nor destroyed.


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Re: Fucking horrible weed experience [Re: CokedUpHobit64]
    #7869667 - 01/12/08 04:28 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Wiccan, i love you.

This just put reincarnation into scientific terms for me.

I could never think of a liable explanation of what happens after death.

But this is the best thing i've read dealing with the subject.

Write a book my friend.


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