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Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08
#7860704 - 01/10/08 05:25 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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On Fox, in South Carolina, Hosted by Hume.
I beleive it starts at 9:00P.M. eastern time , but double check with your local Fake news station.
Should be good!!! McCain is now leading in SC. Paul will be there!
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I'm hoping Hume doesn't mumble the questions like he usually does.
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: zorbman]
#7861061 - 01/10/08 07:00 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Here we go
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Ron Paul fumbles. But I liked it anyhow.
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McCain is in idiot....
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: lonestar2004]
#7861421 - 01/10/08 08:17 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Huck sounds like John Edwards.
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: lonestar2004]
#7861461 - 01/10/08 08:24 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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so far, my opinion:
thompson - asleep per usual romney - great speaker. it's tough to sense sincerity in his voice and his issues. mccain - self-righteous douche. huckabee - he usually does the best in these debates. i also thought he handled that marriage/baptist doctrine question perfectly. mostly though, i don't like this guy. paul - he fumbled a couple of times, but for the most part, he is doing his thing. i am voting for this guy, he is the only sincere one on the ballot. guiliani -
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It's over on the east coast now, and I really made some popcorn for it as well.
It took a while for someone to take the gloves off, Thompson did first and swung at Huck. I thought it would get rolling from there, but it didn't.
They all have said the same things they have been saying. maybe someone watching for the first time would have been moved more up or down.
I didn't see where this debate significantly hurt or helped anyone.
Ran flat to me.
Frank Lutz's focus group voted for Thompson as the winner because he got things exciting with an attack and they said, because he was humorous, it helped them to pay attention to him so he stood out more.
I do know that I personally dislike McCain far more then I already did after watching this. Geez he is so arrogant. Also stupid for first saying that his state of Arizona has the worst problem with illegals getting in so he knows about the problem, then goes on to claim that he knows best how to secure the borders.
If he does, why does his state have the worst problem with illegals getting in?
Final note, some slick psychologist helped these guys formulate the wording of questions to specific candidates, geared towards generating a positive answer or a negative one.
They were unfair to Paul asking him 2 questions differently then the topic the others got.
One was, "Some of your supporters are known as 9/11 truthers and think our government was behind 9/11. Do you agree with them and if not, will you ask them to shut up already"
he said, " I don't endorse them, if they cared about me, they would stop it, but I don't control them and can't make them stop it." Then he quickly said, Now let me get to the debate topic the others have been discussing and he jumped right into it.
Thats was handled well by him.
the next was, " Do you think you are electable as a Republican when you disagree with your colleagues on almost everything."
he did a reminder of what the republicans traditional stood for and said it was absurd that a traditional Republican conservative was not an electable Republican for being on.
Then he went into a funny shpeal about, "What is so Republican about borrowing $10 Billion dollars from the Chinese, to give to an unelected, military Dictator in Pakistan? "
Made me laugh.
Huck got the soft ball, positive question set ups.
They gave as close to equal time as they ever have before and that was cool.
I'm curious to hear some other perspectives on it. I certainly have my bias's.
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i came away with the same diagnosis you did. paul is just on a different playing level than the rest. he means business. the rest of them are just there because it's the cool thing for older, rich, white, powerful men to do.
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I thought the candidates answers to the question about whether we are headed into a recession were very revealing. Only Ron Paul had a clue and Rudy's plan would make things far worse.
The Republican party appears bankrupt of fresh ideas.
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: zorbman]
#7862301 - 01/10/08 10:29 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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zorbman said: I thought the candidates answers to the question about whether we are headed into a recession were very revealing. Only Ron Paul had a clue and Rudy's plan would make things far worse.
The Republican party appears bankrupt of fresh ideas.
and yet, the democratic party seems completely devoid of any ideas at all. after watching what, 3 demo debates now? i have yet to hear any talk about policies/anything of substance. it's just "i am an agent of change, i will bring change, blah blah blah".
and i agree, rudy's plan would fuck things even worse. go paul.
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: Syle]
#7862345 - 01/10/08 10:39 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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True. The democrats have no honest answers for the Bush recession either.
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: lonestar2004]
#7862709 - 01/10/08 11:31 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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lonestar2004 said: McCain is in idiot....
He really has become quite the pompous windbag.
Paul's fumbled wasn't completely dropped by him. He did say that his response was from a further back perspective, warning caution about looking for any reason to Jump on Iran.
We know that if Paul were President, our Navy ships wouldn't even be there just outside of their waters, antagonizing them and that whole incident never would have even happened.
I hope Americans realized that Paul was cautioning for us to not go looking for trouble.
he is in his own multidimensional world seeing things in a past present, probable future, up close and pulled back view all at the same time, and you never know where he is coming to come from or jump to next, making his speech seem, disjointed or nonsensical, even though it all is flowing and making perfect sense in his head.
If the average American watching doesn't know where he stands on foreign Policy, or how his mind works then, yes, it looked like a fumble.
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The more I reflect on it, this debate may have hurt McCain more then it helped.
He really did come across arrogant on the war issues. people like confidence, yet arrogance turns them off.
There was his incriminating idiocy on the borders in his state.
The worst was when Paul said we should be trading with middle eastern nations, McCain said, " What are we going to do, trade burkas with Al Queda"
That was just an ignorant remark.
Al Queda isn't even a Middle eastern nation and Paul was referring to Oil.
McCain came across like a big juvenile dumb ASS.
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gettinjiggywithit said: The more I reflect on it, this debate may have hurt McCain more then it helped.
He really did come across arrogant on the war issues. people like confidence, yet arrogance turns them off.
There was his incriminating idiocy on the borders in his state.
The worst was when Paul said we should be trading with middle eastern nations, McCain said, " What are we going to do, trade burkas with Al Queda"
That was just an ignorant remark.
Al Queda isn't even a Middle eastern nation and Paul was referring to Oil.
McCain came across like a big juvenile dumb ASS.
i couldn't agree more. that fucking burka comment turned me COMPLETELY off mccain. it was childish; sounded like something i would hear in middle school.
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: Syle]
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: lonestar2004]
#7863609 - 01/11/08 04:27 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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> McCain is in idiot....
They are all idiots... politicians, remember? At least one of them is a decent person, and that one is who I support (and would get my vote, could I vote).
> Paul will be there!
Does this mean I can turn my "I-Hate-Fox AutoDial Phone Spam Machine" off?
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The worst was when Paul said we should be trading with middle eastern nations, McCain said, " What are we going to do, trade burkas with Al Queda" and
"trade Burkas with Al Queda...I dont want to fly with them because they want only a one way ticket..."
IMO dumb ass joke.
i did enjoy watching Fred slam Huckabee.
http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/01/10/fred-thompson-comes-out-swinging/
I always disliked the racist Evangelical comments in this Forum. i'm not a Christian but i thought some of the hatred toward them was ridicules.
Watching the blind support of Evangelicals for Huckabee is starting to make me hate them.....
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gettinjiggywithit said: The more I reflect on it, this debate may have hurt McCain more then it helped.
Neh. If it weren't for the debates, people would forget who the hell McCain is.
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: BrAiN]
#7864272 - 01/11/08 10:20 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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If it weren't for the debates, people would forget who the hell McCain is
Yeah, it's not like he's won any primaries or anything.
I thought Fred's attacks on Huckabee were pretty vicious but I thought it was funny that he couldn't deliver them without reading directly off his cheat sheet on his podium. Seems like he could have made the effort to memorize the lines beforehand. I think Fred is the first presidential candidate to run his campaign from a hammock.
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: zorbman]
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zorbman said: If it weren't for the debates, people would forget who the hell McCain is
Yeah, it's not like he's won any primaries or anything.
I don't think he would have done so well had it been for the debates. Just my opinion though.
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: zorbman]
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zorbman said: I thought Fred's attacks on Huckabee were pretty vicious
Like when Fred calls Huck a liberal. Is that the Vicious Attack part?????
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: lonestar2004]
#7864412 - 01/11/08 10:55 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Did you watch the debate?
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: BrAiN]
#7864420 - 01/11/08 10:57 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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zorbman said: If it weren't for the debates, people would forget who the hell McCain is
Yeah, it's not like he's won any primaries or anything.
I don't think he would have done so well had it been for the debates. Just my opinion though.
Yes, and lets keep in mind that he won New Hampshire, where the electorate has a slavish devotion to him. He won there in 2000 as well, against G-Dub.
I would be relatively shocked if he won another state.
Happy, but shocked.
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: Madtowntripper]
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He's also headed into South Carolina- his Waterloo in 2000. The place where the Bush dirty tricks crew went after him. That is one nasty place to campaign- I can't wait to see what ugliness comes out of there this campaign season.
There is an almost palpable feeling of deep-seated ancestral evil emanating from certain parts of that state. I drive around it when I can but the candidates are headed straight into the belly of the beast. That also may explain some of McCain's attitudes during the debate. Think about the kind of people he's trying to appeal to. *shiver*
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: zorbman]
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I would imagine things are going to get nasty in the next few weeks.
Florida should be a bloodbath, since I think Thompson, 9/11, and Mitt are all saying that their campaigns will be fine once they win Florida.
I hope they have a computer to count delegates on Feb 5.
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: Madtowntripper]
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I thought Rudy was the only one saying tha.
I think Thompson will drop out if he doesn't win SC. he's broke. he said that back when he was leading it too. Now McCain is. Romney pulled all of his ad money out of SC and Florida to focus on a Michigan win instead.
Huck and McCain will be up Rudy's ass here now, because those two are getting all of the positive and free media right now. They are too broke to compete with him here otherwise. McCains campaign has been running on a loan from the bank.
I think the drama will be uneventful in the Florida primary. Rudy is running comercials around the clock here as well as making lots of visits. Who knows how many will jump on the Huck and McCain media band wagons though to create an upset.
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I love how McCain kept passionately talking about the need to cut spending in addition to taxes, and how he would do both. Yet he would stay in Iraq indefinitely if deemed necessary? I am disappointed because so many ignorant Americans are going to think that's possible...
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: SoY]
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Paul got it in about 3 times that we can't afford to do that now, let alone much longer. Wonder how many americans paid attention to that.
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Would anything make you feel differently?
Things are looking better there than they have in years.
If by July/August they really had their shit together, had a functioning government in place, and asked US troops to stay and provide security, would you tell them no?
Just curious...
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: lonestar2004]
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> Watching the blind support of Evangelicals for Huckabee is starting to make me hate them.....
Hate gives them power over you. Strong dislike is a much safer path.
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: Seuss]
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Madtowntripper said: Would anything make you feel differently?
Things are looking better there than they have in years.
If by July/August they really had their shit together, had a functioning government in place, and asked US troops to stay and provide security, would you tell them no?
Just curious...
Wow, we are coming from two very different perspectives on this.
Iraq is very Oil rich. They can hire a company like Black water to take care of it themselves, until they train their own Military.
Why should U.S. tax payers foot the bill to protect that country from their own crazies, especially, when they have Oil revenues to draw from, to build their own defence department with. We are broke and going deeper in debt to do it for them.
Blackwater is doing much of it already on our dime. I would think it was time for Iraqis step up to plate and start footing the bill for Blackwater, while they trained and built up their defence army.
I'd like to know why they are having such a tough time, building their own defence Military up as it is. They have had years to be working on this.
I'm open to hearing why that shouldn't be the case in the scenario you describe up the road.
If our Military stays indefinitely and does it along with Blackwater, who we are also paying for, I think it's high time we start charging Iraqis a Defence Tax to cover the cost to protect their government and Constitution, from the insurgents.
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2 years isn't really that much time to form a military or a government. We really fucked them over.
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: xFrockx]
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Thats my point. Listen, I have been against the war all along. I am as anti Iraq War as anyone.
But the fact is that it happened, and the United States did it. We personally may have been against it, but it happened. We did not choose to wage the war, but it was done in our name and extremely poorly.
The occupation has been an unmitigated disaster for the Iraqi people in economic terms and in the amount of destruction wrought upon their people and country. The entire place, in short, is fucked.
How can you NOT say its our responsibility to stay there until they can fix it themselves? Forget all that nonsense Bush & Co. are spewing about fighting "Al-Qaeda in Iraq." Its total swill. But the fact is, while things are getting better there, its a very dangerous place. There are alot of people with an invested stake in the FAILURE of the current government.
After ass-raping their entire country, the least we can do is give them a hand putting things back together. Its not an easy thing to rebuild a country while at the same time putting together a government from scratch. It took us almost 20 years in America in the 1770's and 80's, and that was with a culturally and religiously homogenus population. Trying to do the same in a place with the religous schisms that Iraq has must be exponentially more difficult.
Thats why I can't for the life of me understand the position of people like Ron Paul. Yes, the war was a terrible thing. But if you decry the loss of life from the war and the occupation, how can you scoff at the life that will surely be lost if we suddenly withdraw all of our troops, which are by anyones definition the only thing providing any sanity at all in most of the country.
I'm drunk and this is a long post.
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