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OfflineBrAiN
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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: zorbman]
    #7864304 - 01/11/08 10:28 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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If it weren't for the debates, people would forget who the hell McCain is

Yeah, it's not like he's won any primaries or anything.




I don't think he would have done so well had it been for the debates. Just my opinion though.


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: zorbman]
    #7864355 - 01/11/08 10:39 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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I thought Fred's attacks on Huckabee were pretty vicious





Like when Fred calls Huck a liberal. Is that the Vicious Attack part?????


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7864412 - 01/11/08 10:55 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Did you watch the debate?


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: BrAiN]
    #7864420 - 01/11/08 10:57 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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BrAiN said:
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zorbman said:
If it weren't for the debates, people would forget who the hell McCain is

Yeah, it's not like he's won any primaries or anything.




I don't think he would have done so well had it been for the debates. Just my opinion though.




Yes, and lets keep in mind that he won New Hampshire, where the electorate has a slavish devotion to him. He won there in 2000 as well, against G-Dub.

I would be relatively shocked if he won another state.

Happy, but shocked.


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7864438 - 01/11/08 11:01 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

He's also headed into South Carolina- his Waterloo in 2000. The place where the Bush dirty tricks crew went after him. That is one nasty place to campaign- I can't wait to see what ugliness comes out of there this campaign season.

There is an almost palpable feeling of deep-seated ancestral evil emanating from certain parts of that state. I drive around it when I can but the candidates are headed straight into the belly of the beast. That also may explain some of McCain's attitudes during the debate. Think about the kind of people he's trying to appeal to. *shiver*


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: zorbman]
    #7864447 - 01/11/08 11:05 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

I would imagine things are going to get nasty in the next few weeks.

Florida should be a bloodbath, since I think Thompson, 9/11, and Mitt are all saying that their campaigns will be fine once they win Florida.

I hope they have a computer to count delegates on Feb 5.


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He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7864617 - 01/11/08 11:36 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

I thought Rudy was the only one saying tha.

I think Thompson will drop out if he doesn't win SC. he's broke. he said that back when he was leading it too. Now McCain is. Romney pulled all of his ad money out of SC and Florida to focus on a Michigan win instead.

Huck and McCain will be up Rudy's ass here now, because those two are getting all of the positive and free media right now. They are too broke to compete with him here otherwise. McCains campaign has been running on a loan from the bank.

I think the drama will be uneventful in the Florida primary. Rudy is running comercials around the clock here as well as making lots of visits. Who knows how many will jump on the Huck and McCain media band wagons though to create an upset.


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7864703 - 01/11/08 12:00 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

I love how McCain kept passionately talking about the need to cut spending in addition to taxes, and how he would do both.  Yet he would stay in Iraq indefinitely if deemed necessary?  I am disappointed because so many ignorant Americans are going to think that's possible...:nonono:


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: SoY]
    #7864723 - 01/11/08 12:05 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Paul got it in about 3 times that we can't afford to do that now, let alone much longer. Wonder how many americans paid attention to that.


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7865097 - 01/11/08 01:41 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Would anything make you feel differently?

Things are looking better there than they have in years.

If by July/August they really had their shit together, had a functioning government in place, and asked US troops to stay and provide security, would you tell them no?

Just curious...


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7865183 - 01/11/08 01:58 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

> Watching the blind support of Evangelicals for Huckabee is starting to make me hate them.....

Hate gives them power over you. Strong dislike is a much safer path.


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: Seuss]
    #7865194 - 01/11/08 02:01 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

i strongly dislike those evangelicals and their gay phone calls from god


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7866902 - 01/11/08 09:34 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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Would anything make you feel differently?

Things are looking better there than they have in years.

If by July/August they really had their shit together, had a functioning government in place, and asked US troops to stay and provide security, would you tell them no?

Just curious...




Wow, we are coming from two very different perspectives on this.

Iraq is very Oil rich. They can hire a company like Black water to take care of it themselves, until they train their own Military.

Why should U.S. tax payers foot the bill to protect that country from their own crazies, especially, when they have Oil revenues to draw from, to build their own defence department with. We are broke and going deeper in debt to do it for them.

Blackwater is doing much of it already on our dime. I would think it was time for Iraqis step up to plate and start footing the bill for Blackwater, while they trained and built up their defence army.

I'd like to know why they are having such a tough time, building their own defence Military up as it is. They have had years to be working on this.

I'm open to hearing why that shouldn't be the case in the scenario you describe up the road.

If our Military stays indefinitely and does it along with Blackwater, who we are also paying for, I think it's high time we start charging Iraqis a Defence Tax to cover the cost to protect their government and Constitution, from the insurgents.


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #7867281 - 01/11/08 11:07 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

2 years isn't really that much time to form a military or a government. We really fucked them over.


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Re: Republican Debate tonight 1/10/08 [Re: xFrockx]
    #7867380 - 01/11/08 11:42 PM (16 years, 21 days ago)

Thats my point. Listen, I have been against the war all along. I am as anti Iraq War as anyone.

But the fact is that it happened, and the United States did it. We personally may have been against it, but it happened. We did not choose to wage the war, but it was done in our name and extremely poorly.

The occupation has been an unmitigated disaster for the Iraqi people in economic terms and in the amount of destruction wrought upon their people and country. The entire place, in short, is fucked.

How can you NOT say its our responsibility to stay there until they can fix it themselves? Forget all that nonsense Bush & Co. are spewing about fighting "Al-Qaeda in Iraq." Its total swill. But the fact is, while things are getting better there, its a very dangerous place. There are alot of people with an invested stake in the FAILURE of the current government.

After ass-raping their entire country, the least we can do is give them a hand putting things back together. Its not an easy thing to rebuild a country while at the same time putting together a government from scratch. It took us almost 20 years in America in the 1770's and 80's, and that was with a culturally and religiously homogenus population. Trying to do the same in a place with the religous schisms that Iraq has must be exponentially more difficult.

Thats why I can't for the life of me understand the position of people like Ron Paul. Yes, the war was a terrible thing. But if you decry the loss of life from the war and the occupation, how can you scoff at the life that will surely be lost if we suddenly withdraw all of our troops, which are by anyones definition the only thing providing any sanity at all in most of the country.

I'm drunk and this is a long post.


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