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Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again)
#7859494 - 01/10/08 01:28 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Just about every other Wednesday, some mystic head will put down science and logic. Whenever I (or Diploid or...?) catches it we generally respond, "Now transmit your message to thousands without using logic."
*Crickets chirping*
No response. Using a tool to tell other how much you hate the tool is the height of hypocrisy.
Are these fluffernauts willing to give up music, genetically crafted bud, a flush toilet, their cars? Hell no. Do they read the Cultivation Forums to learn process and procedure (science)? Of course!
Get a clue cyrstal-wielders and try to be somewhat consistent in your outrage.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7859856 - 01/10/08 02:29 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Are these fluufernauts willing to give up ...
A google search of "fluufernauts" returned zero hits.
I really don't know what you are talking about, and your use of a neologism obscures your meaning further.
What exactly is the problem?
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
#7859871 - 01/10/08 02:31 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Why are you shouting?
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
#7859875 - 01/10/08 02:32 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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You are too new to know.
Fluffernauts are people who believe in silly things.
For more info, try a Shroomery search for the SAME term.
Welcome to The Shroomery.
Ice... $5 says he just forgot to un-bold . Go easy on him.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
#7859886 - 01/10/08 02:34 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
AnastomosisJihad said:
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Are these fluufernauts willing to give up ...
A google search of "fluufernauts" returned zero hits.
vat?! zees ees outrrreeehgious! ze fluufernauts vill not be silenst!
-------------------- “Strengthened by contemplation and study, I will not fear my passions like a coward. My body I will give to pleasures, to diversions that I’ve dreamed of, to the most daring erotic desires, to the lustful impulses of my blood, without any fear at all, for whenever I will— and I will have the will, strengthened as I’ll be with contemplation and study— at the crucial moments I’ll recover my spirit as was before: ascetic.”
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Lion]
#7859902 - 01/10/08 02:36 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Icelander]
#7859924 - 01/10/08 02:40 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said: Why are you shouting?
No, ALL CAPS IS SHOUTING, bold is just speaking with great intensity.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: AnastomosisJihad]
#7859952 - 01/10/08 02:45 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Fluff: something of no consequence
Fluffernaut: one who bases much of their world view on fluff; i.e. New Age quackery, crytals, homeopathy, ESP, UFOs, etc. and has a very difficult time using logic and as it applies to their pet beliefs
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Veritas]
#7859985 - 01/10/08 02:52 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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ALL CAPS ON IS SHOUTING
He looks pretty quiet to me:

OK, OK, so I am really stretching it thin today. B for effort?
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7859997 - 01/10/08 02:54 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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fluff (relevant definition) Something of little substance or consequence
-naut (suffix) Sailor
Fluffernaut: one who sails the seas of fluff
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7860021 - 01/10/08 02:59 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Cervantes said: You are too new to know.
Fluffernauts are people who believe in silly things.
For more info, try a Shroomery search for the SAME term.
Welcome to The Shroomery.
Ice... $5 says he just forgot to un-bold . Go easy on him.
WHY SHOULD I? STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO!
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Icelander]
#7860349 - 01/10/08 04:16 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
Quote:
Cervantes said: You are too new to know.
Fluffernauts are people who believe in silly things.
For more info, try a Shroomery search for the SAME term.
Welcome to The Shroomery.
Ice... $5 says he just forgot to un-bold . Go easy on him.
WHY SHOULD I? STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO!
Sorry. I didn't mean to order you around.
My bad.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7860465 - 01/10/08 04:35 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Quit yelling.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7860502 - 01/10/08 04:42 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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I thought fluffernauts were those people who work in the porn industry...
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7860911 - 01/10/08 06:27 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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I love Science AND Crystals. Logic AND Mysticism. 
Who says you can't have both...
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Middleman]
#7861003 - 01/10/08 06:47 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Your answer leaves room for interpretation
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Middleman]
#7861014 - 01/10/08 06:49 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Wow Middleman.
You can edit your posts a LONG time after you make them...
And it doesn't give YOUR edits a time-stamp.
Anyway, your edit inspired me to do the same.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7861033 - 01/10/08 06:53 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: Fluff: something of no consequence . Fluffernaut: one who bases much of their world view on fluff; i.e. New Age quackery, crytals, homeopathy, ESP, UFOs, etc. and has a very difficult time using logic and as it applies to their pet beliefs
The underlying meaning all depends upon how you split the word....
Fluffer: A fluffer is a hired member of the crew of a pornographic movie whose role on the set is to sexually arouse the male participants prior to the filming of scenes requiring erections.
Naut: An abbreviation for "Nautical" Nautical: Relating to or involving ships or shipping or navigation or seamen.
Semen and seamen all in one word....! 
>^;;^<
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7861051 - 01/10/08 06:58 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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if you are going to pick a path that lets you see only half the universe, we just gong t o stare at you n giggle while we make love to [NONWORD NONEQUATION EQUATION DOES NOT BALANCE], haha
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7861287 - 01/10/08 07:49 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Wow Cervantes, lighten up. I thought it was funny. 
The OP is obviously trolling, so I thought I'd fight fire with fire.
If I offended anyone, I apologize.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Middleman]
#7861314 - 01/10/08 07:53 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Just keeping it real... yo.
Consider it a reminder that people can easily read MORE into something than was intended.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7862492 - 01/10/08 11:05 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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I thought the gay thread pic MADE the thread personally. It was classy on more levels than I can count.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: freddurgan]
#7862810 - 01/10/08 11:47 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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freddurgan said: I thought the gay thread pic MADE the thread personally. It was classy on more levels than I can count.
Absolutely..... Richard Simmons is a pretty classy fella~....

Wait........ ....What....? 
>^;;^<
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: PhanTomCat]
#7863449 - 01/11/08 02:35 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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yeah, that was some funny shit middleman!
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Ozekat]
#7863922 - 01/11/08 07:54 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I thought so, but I guess OC lost his sense of humor because I was asked to delete it... 
Again, I apologize. I was just making a joke instead of getting all offended by the original antagonistic post.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Middleman]
#7864011 - 01/11/08 08:57 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Nobody (well ALMOST nobody) wants to see a Mod rubbing a veterans nose in shit. It makes the other old-farts feel uncomfortable.
Really, I am not mad at you Middle.
I called you out for another reason entirely. Put simply, this forum has already been shaken up a few too many times in the past.
Assuming WE ALL obey the TWO rules, there should be no reason for such a shake up in the future.
Antagonism is relative.
YOU are almost always your OWN protagonist.
But, if you feel like you are the PROtagonist...
What does that make the rest of us lowly Shroomerites?
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Edited by Rose (01/11/08 09:10 AM)
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7864016 - 01/11/08 08:59 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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sheep for the slaughter
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: machination]
#7864062 - 01/11/08 09:19 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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It has happened before... and I had very good seats.
Forgive me for being defensive Middle... but I do know what can go down in here... and in the Mod forum.
This forum has lost MANY great veteran posters due to the actions of protagonist Mods like you.
Not. Your. Fault. I know.
But when I see something that concerns me... I will say it.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7864075 - 01/11/08 09:23 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I agree. If one takes a position as a Mod then one upholds the standard of that forum and sets the tone by example. What the hell are we paying you guys for?
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Edited by Icelander (01/11/08 09:24 AM)
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Icelander]
#7864087 - 01/11/08 09:27 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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It can be a thankless job at times.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Icelander]
#7864097 - 01/11/08 09:31 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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What the hell are we paying you guys for?
WHAT? Mods get paid? Wait a minute!
/me PMs Ythan
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Diploid]
#7864113 - 01/11/08 09:35 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Good LUCK!
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7864128 - 01/11/08 09:40 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Payment is thanks. And who needs to be thanked anyway. He does it for other reasons besides that I'm sure. (Being part of the Shroomery elite for one and power for another)
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Diploid]
#7864131 - 01/11/08 09:41 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Diploid said: What the hell are we paying you guys for?
What? Mods get paid? Wait a minute!
/me PMs Ythan
I had heard the mods received some payment. Is this not true?
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Icelander]
#7864139 - 01/11/08 09:43 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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That's why I did it.
OH... AND the Mod forum is a HOOT! Probably the best forum at The Shroomery.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7864146 - 01/11/08 09:46 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I'm sure it is. It's full of the worst posters at the Shroomery who think they're the best.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Icelander]
#7864164 - 01/11/08 09:50 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I had heard the mods received some payment.
I wish!
Admins get paid for their time, but I'm pretty sure they'd make more at a minimum wage job.
Modding Shroomery is a labor of love.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Diploid]
#7864199 - 01/11/08 10:02 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Have you ever seen a really really good movie?
Try explaining that with science.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: eve69]
#7864205 - 01/11/08 10:03 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Or a good anything?
How were you able to know it was good?
Try explaining that with science.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: eve69]
#7864437 - 01/11/08 11:01 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I see what you are saying eve...
But a good circle is a circle.
A bad circle is not a circle.
A good post can be understood easily by MOST readers.
A bad post can't.
Yeah... good and bad are relative... but they aren't as wildly relative as you may think. There are many things which are perceived as being, "Good" by a VAST majority of all humans. And since, "Good" is a human term... it only matters to us, anyway.
"Nothing is good or bad. Only thinking makes it so." I know... but still... humans think.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7864568 - 01/11/08 11:27 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Just keep offending or boring personalism private or in OT (or wherever they belong [but not here!]) and we all will be happy 
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Icelander]
#7864571 - 01/11/08 11:28 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Icelander said: I'm sure it is. It's full of the worst posters at the Shroomery who think they're the best.
Yup.
It also has a handful of the BEST posters at this website. The Shroomery does have some good police... believe it or not.
Best of all in the Mod Forum, you find out WHY things happen here like they do. I know for a fact, there is no Shroomery Conspiracy behind those closed doors. There is a lot of debate, discussion and thought put into Staff action. If only they got it right ALL the time...
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7864585 - 01/11/08 11:30 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I know, I know, I was mostly kidding although at one time I had my doubts. I appreciate many of the Mods here but not all and I'm not shy about letting my preferences be known.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Middleman]
#7865298 - 01/11/08 02:27 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I thought so, but I guess OC lost his sense of humor because I was asked to delete it...
Lost my sense of humor? Not hardly.
You banned me for doing something similar in M&P while ignoring a blatant personalism against me.
Can you publicly and honestly state that was without bias? Why was the other poster given a pass?
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7865385 - 01/11/08 02:45 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I love it when sixteen year old retard girls from the suburbs of memphis tell me how awesome and at peace nature is. I live out in the goddamned sticks. Nature is a copperhead sitting contentedly next to the driver side door of my car, daring me to drive to work. Nature is 15+ horseflys hanging out on my ceiling, waiting to dive bomb me with acid. Nature is walking out the door to get threat stomped by a buck, cause it's taken my porch as it's territory.
I have my mysticism, and it addresses my worries about the meaninglessness of the universe. Science and Logic take care of everything else.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: crumblebum]
#7865406 - 01/11/08 02:50 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I have my mysticism, and it addresses my worries about the meaninglessness of the universe. Science and Logic take care of everything else.

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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: crumblebum]
#7865439 - 01/11/08 02:59 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Mysticism is about butterflies not horseflies; playful unicorns not angry bucks.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7865507 - 01/11/08 03:18 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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My mysticism is about burning bodies and onyx skinned women with blood red lips who will trample me to death, an ape who moves mountains, a wife growing weed in the fields about her house to keep her husband around the house, and a blue skinned boy who can bone a dozen cowherding girls at once, but disappears when any of them becomes possessive. And pissed off cobras.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: crumblebum]
#7865578 - 01/11/08 03:35 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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THIS, I did not know. 
Perhaps I have only been hanging around with the 'good' mystics. Yours sound like a lot more fun.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7865621 - 01/11/08 03:51 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Shaivite hinduism is the tits. Look up these guys called the Aghori.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7867545 - 01/12/08 12:34 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I thought so, but I guess OC lost his sense of humor because I was asked to delete it...
Lost my sense of humor? Not hardly.
You banned me for doing something similar in M&P while ignoring a blatant personalism against me.
Can you publicly and honestly state that was without bias? Why was the other poster given a pass?
Criticism is not against the rules in this forum as long as it's not personal, it is in M&P regardless.
You criticized Ginseng1's info twice before he asked you to "please stop being so useless."
I go after the first person to break the rules once a thread falls apart.
I do not know Ginseng1 nor have I ever spoke with him by PM.
There are several other threads that you were not involved in that I handled the same way.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Middleman]
#7867788 - 01/12/08 01:25 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I suspected your snarky Richard Simmons post had to do with something like that... Middle.
I'm getting pretty good at reading the warning signs.
... sigh.
My advice (like my opinion is wanted... hahaha):
Handle BOTH offending parties the SAME (BOTH parties should have been addressed)... and if you DO intend to ban someone... BAN the one who started it... not the one who responded to a personal attack.
If someone breaks a rule to attack me... I am 98.5% more likely to return the favor. Shouldn't I have carte blanche to defend myself? Or at least be forgiven for doing so?
That said, I did not see the thread in question... so I don't really know all I could about the matter.
What I do know is: I don't like watching Shroomery Veterans get hounded by Mods... especially if they have already been punished. You know how OC reacts to such treatment... since you already banned him for reacting to personal goading. Why continue provoking him? It seems you want to get him out of this forum too. That makes ME uncomfortable.
I could be reading too much into this... but we ALL read too much into things. And in spite of your denial... my original post now looks to be more accurate than it did this morning. So, perhaps I am reading JUST ENOUGH into this.
That's really all I have to say on the matter for now. I don't want to stir the hornet's nest any more than I already have.
Thanks for your time.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Middleman]
#7867881 - 01/12/08 01:44 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I go after the first person to break the rules once a thread falls apart.
I see. So then you are going to ban yourself for your useless actions in this thread, correct?
And like Ginseng, I make now make personal attacks on you with a free pass, correct?
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7867904 - 01/12/08 01:51 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Handle BOTH offending parties the SAME (BOTH parties should have been addressed)... and if you DO intend to ban someone... BAN the one who started it... not the one who responded to a personal attack.
I did ban the one who started it.
OC wasn't responding to the so-called personal attack, the personal-attack was in response to OC's rule breaking.
The Shroomery Moderator handbook says to focus on the original rule-breaker in flame wars and such.
Here is the thread in question, it's old news and I'm not sweatin it.
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I could be reading too much into this... .
You are. I have nothing against OC, I was making a silly joke. I thought that's what you guys like to do in here.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7867908 - 01/12/08 01:53 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I see. So then you are going to ban yourself for your useless actions in this thread, correct?
I'll say it again: Criticism and jokes are allowed in here, but not in M&P.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: eve69]
#7867931 - 01/12/08 01:59 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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eve69 said: Have you ever seen a really really good movie?
Try explaining that with science.
Ok.
The movie caused an increase of activity in the areas of my brain (eg. nucleus accumbens) associated with pleasure.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Middleman]
#7867938 - 01/12/08 02:02 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Stating a fact is criticism now, it it? Not according to any dictionary definition.
BTW, nice dodge on the second question. You failed to answer it BECAUSE YOU CANNOT without displaying your true nature.
Worst shroomery mod since that lying, welcher: shroomism.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7867941 - 01/12/08 02:04 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Whatever man, I you anyway.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Middleman]
#7867948 - 01/12/08 02:07 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Middleman said: Whatever man, I you anyway.
Spread the love!
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Lion]
#7867964 - 01/12/08 02:20 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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There is no love. Don't be fooled by the see-thru facade. Here is the real MM expressing 'love':
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A very small-minded man with no sense of courtesy. Not the insightful person he pretends to be and certainly not non-biased. Very petty and likes to carry a grudge because someone exposes his pet superiority complex.
Notice once again - no answer, merely a deflection. And trust me - one will not be forthcoming.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Middleman]
#7868011 - 01/12/08 02:50 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Middleman said: I was making a silly joke. I thought that's what you guys like to do in here.
It is, and we do. It is cool that you noticed.
I looked at the thread. There's really not much there, on either side... IMO. Hardly worth one ban... let alone two. I'm surprised stern PM's weren't all that was handed out.
And yet with the rules of that forum being so strict... it is virtually impossible to say anything but, "I agree"... unless you want to risk banishment. Meh... not my idea of a fun forum.
I don't understand why people want to discuss things in a forum where people can't disagree... not without fear. That just doesn't sound fun. Moderating THAT forum has got to be a pain in the ass. I stay clear of it entirely.
I really wouldn't care at all... if y'all hadn't brought it in here, for me to watch. Just keep it out of P&S, and I won't be a back-seat moderator.
Thanks for the explanation.
One last thing Middle. You DO understand why this would all be upsetting to OC... right? It WAS a fairly tiddlywink ban... and he'd like to feel that you aren't carrying the grudge over here. Weather you did or not... that is how HE feels. I don't blame him. I wasn't the only one who got the same impression from your (newly edited) first post in this thread.
And since he feels that way... his posts ARE going to reflect his state of mind... for a while. It is human nature. It is how Veterans react when they feel they have been mistreated.
You want OC to admit his mistakes? Then treat him like a man... and not a criminal. He'd gonna' be UBER defensive as long as he feels like his head is on the chopping block (and YOU would be too)... as a Mod, you have the power to quell that drama either peacefully, or bitterly.
You may not understand how it feels to be banned... when a civil discussion would have served the SAME purpose... but I do.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7868048 - 01/12/08 03:09 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: There is no love. Don't be fooled by the see-thru facade. Here is the real MM expressing 'love':
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A very small-minded man with no sense of courtesy. Not the insightful person he pretends to be and certainly not non-biased. Very petty and likes to carry a grudge because someone exposes his pet superiority complex.
Notice once again - no answer, merely a deflection. And trust me - one will not be forthcoming.
Dude, you KNOW I was jokingly bouncing back the exact rate you gave me first. 
"A very small-minded man with no sense of fair play. Not the spiritual person he pretends to be and certainly not in the middle. Very petty and likes to carry a grudge because someone exposes his pet fantasies."
You are the one who is delusional if you think I have any bias or grudge against you.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Rose]
#7868053 - 01/12/08 03:13 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Cervantes said:
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Middleman said: I was making a silly joke. I thought that's what you guys like to do in here.
It is, and we do. It is cool that you noticed.
I looked at the thread. There's really not much there, on either side... IMO. Hardly worth one ban... let alone two. I'm surprised stern PM's weren't all that was handed out.
And yet with the rules of that forum being so strict... it is virtually impossible to say anything but, "I agree"... unless you want to risk banishment. Meh... not my idea of a fun forum.
I don't understand why people want to discuss things in a forum where people can't disagree... not without fear. That just doesn't sound fun. Moderating THAT forum has got to be a pain in the ass. I stay clear of it entirely.
I really wouldn't care at all... if y'all hadn't brought it in here, for me to watch. Just keep it out of P&S, and I won't be a back-seat moderator.
Thanks for the explanation.
One last thing Middle. You DO understand why this would all be upsetting to OC... right? It WAS a fairly tiddlywink ban... and he'd like to feel that you aren't carrying the grudge over here. Weather you did or not... that is how HE feels. I don't blame him. I got the same impression from your (newly edited) first post in this thread.
And since he feels that way... his posts ARE going to reflect his state of mind... for a while. It is human nature. It is how Veterans react when they feel they have been mistreated.
You want OC to admit his mistakes? Then treat him like a man... and not a criminal. He'd gonna' be UBER defensive as long as he feels like his head is on the chopping block (and YOU would be too)... as a Mod, you have the power to quell that drama either peacefully, or bitterly.
You may not understand how it feels to be banned... when a civil discussion would have served the SAME purpose... but I do.
M&P is about freely sharing information without worry of being laughed at or criticized, some people enjoy it.
I had previously warned OC several times before I gave him a 3 day M&P forum temp ban.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7868070 - 01/12/08 03:25 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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And like Ginseng, I make now make personal attacks on you with a free pass, correct?
I didn't think this question was worthy of a response, but since you insist:
You were breaking the rules before Ginseng said "Please stop being so useless."
I wasn't breaking the rules by posting "Thanks for another gay thread."
Sheeeeeesh man, smoke a joint or something.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Middleman]
#7868075 - 01/12/08 03:28 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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*INVOKES ICELANDER RULE*
"And like Ginseng, I make now make personal attacks on you with a free pass, correct?"
"And like Ginseng, I make now make personal attacks on you with a free pass, correct?"
"And like Ginseng, I make now make personal attacks on you with a free pass, correct?"
"And like Ginseng, I make now make personal attacks on you with a free pass, correct?"
In case you missed it the first three times.
Editor's note: Middleman quietly deleted my thread on hate and mysticism which was a valid topic.
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: Middleman]
#7868076 - 01/12/08 03:29 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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When was this forum converted into a soap opera?
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#7868078 - 01/12/08 03:31 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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No shit. I've defended myself enough, I will continue to delete any threads that accuse me of bias.
If anyone has a problem with me, send in a support ticket. Back to Philosophy...
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Re: Mysticism vs. Science and Logic (yet again) [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7868081 - 01/12/08 03:31 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: OT.
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