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BEEP
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iv'e been finding theese alot
#7859459 - 01/10/08 01:20 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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all pictures are of the same species, i found them in some hills that cows live in aswell sort of a cow pasture but not open grass. North america california sacramento/vacaville area. they grew on cow dung around the cow dung and in some other random places from the dirt.
Spore prints are brownish when mature dark purpleish to black young. gills veil is evanescent i found stems from .1cm-1cm in diameter caps from 1cm-4 1/2 cm across i didnt notice any brusing other than water damage browning the stems
(your ID will be taking lightly, I will not eat any of theese ragardless what anyone says untill I cant get a 110% postive ID, so feel free to guess)
heres the pics





 this ones a bit dried

 all of what i found 
 picture of the area
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: BEEP]
#7859573 - 01/10/08 01:42 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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hello men you finally decide to ask here ok i will ask you a few question here hey welcome to the humory , pardom shroomery you said- -Spore prints are brownish when mature dark purpleish to black young. gills
i have trouble to undestand if the spores are brown , purple or black .the spore can be look if you cut a cap and place it in a apaper facing down and with a glass on top or something that isolate the cap from the wind or air.
-i found stems from .1cm-1cm in diameter
is than lenght and high or wide are the stem square ,
-i didnt notice any brusing other than water damage browning the stems
well that is good bruising i guees it was by handling .
(your ID will be taking lightly, I will not eat any of theese ragardless what anyone says untill I cant get a 110% postive ID, so feel free to guess)
since you are taking our id lightly , i don´t if you can take my recomendation of don´t eat those mushrooms they are inedible and not active maybe in the genus tubaria , but i have never seem from dung but i doub to be inocybe all my best, if you like if where active that all you need , no all my best. .
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BEEP
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: cactu]
#7859657 - 01/10/08 01:55 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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cactu said: hello men you finally decide to ask here ok i will ask you a few question here hey welcome to the humory , pardom shroomery you said- -Spore prints are brownish when mature dark purpleish to black young. gills
i have trouble to undestand if the spores are brown , purple or black .the spore can be look if you cut a cap and place it in a apaper facing down and with a glass on top or something that isolate the cap from the wind or air.
-i found stems from .1cm-1cm in diameter
is than lenght and high or wide are the stem square ,
-i didnt notice any brusing other than water damage browning the stems
well that is good bruising i guees it was by handling .
(your ID will be taking lightly, I will not eat any of theese ragardless what anyone says untill I cant get a 110% postive ID, so feel free to guess)
since you are taking our id lightly , i don´t if you can take my recomendation of don´t eat those mushrooms they are inedible and not active maybe in the genus tubaria , but i have never seem from dung but i doub to be inocybe all my best, if you like if where active that all you need , no all my best. .
im new at this sorry for all the misunderstandings,
i did take a few spore prints from a few different aged specimens by cutting the stem from the cap placeing the cap gills facing down on half black half white paper and places a cup over each, the younger ones made purpleish/black spore prints and the most mature ones made a light-brown spore print.
i was measureing the stems in diameter (thickness) but i just realized i should have measured length which i found 1 inch-2 1/2
brusing brown
thanks i wasnt going to eat them active or not, i would still like to know what they are, also thanks for the fast reply.
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: BEEP]
#7859666 - 01/10/08 01:57 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Looks a lot like Panaeolus Subbalteatus (=Panaeolus Venenosus), however I can't be sure from the pics and I wouldn't even be 100% sure of my identification without having held these in my own hands. My research indicates that they enjoy horse manure, no mention of cow manure; but poo's poo right? Lack of bruising reaction would eliminate this as a possibilty and even if it were indeed P.Subbalteatus, they are only classed weakly to moderately active.
Anyhow, could be a possibilty. In the mean time, keep looking.
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subbs dont grow on poo and they arnt subbs. wait for more replys
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: tealeaf]
#7859866 - 01/10/08 02:30 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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now i think some may be stropharia . did you said evanescen veil , no ring there ha or rest of it. the one with purple - black spores i guees stropharia.
the one with brown spores, is posibly to be some agrocybe there too,
i guees none of your specimen resemble a panneolus , if you found one with black gill and motted gill maybe also subb or sobs (pronunciation of slag) can grow on dung but are more commond on grass , hay, compost , but the relationship with dung is no doub .. no is a subb or a panneolus, should have yet black spores some panneolopsis have brown spores.but the cap don´t think to fit in the campanulate cap of paneolus.
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: cactu]
#7859930 - 01/10/08 02:42 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Were they growing directly from manure?
What color is the spore print exactly?
A pic of the print might help.
At first I was thinking Psilocybe coprophila, but your mushrooms look much larger and more substantial than that species. My guess is Stropharia, but it could also be an inactive Psilocybe or a Psathyrella.
Probably not anything you would want to eat.
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BEEP
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Alan Rockefeller said: Were they growing directly from manure?
What color is the spore print exactly?
A pic of the print might help.
At first I was thinking Psilocybe coprophila, but your mushrooms look much larger and more substantial than that species. My guess is Stropharia, but it could also be an inactive Psilocybe or a Psathyrella.
Probably not anything you would want to eat.
they where growing directly from the manure but also around it and evenn in areas with no manure. i cant give you an exact spore print color because they were all much different i threw away most of the prints too but i managed to dig this print out though one of the more mature ones. the pictures from a camera phone and i have horrible lighting in here so please bare with me.

also caps where all slimey like a slug or something and yes the veil was evanesent it didnt seem to hae one even on the young specimens
Edited by BEEP (01/10/08 03:10 PM)
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: BEEP]
#7860063 - 01/10/08 03:09 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Panaeolus subbalteatus can and does grow on horse and cow manure. I have seen photos of it here.
The spores of the mature specimens appeared darker because thay already dropped a lot of their spores- so the spore deposit was light, compared to the heavy spore deposit of the young ones.
Stropharia is a good lead.
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: CureCat]
#7860099 - 01/10/08 03:14 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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if the cap where slimey no doub some stropharia, and others i guees you not find SOBs this time.
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: cactu]
#7860126 - 01/10/08 03:18 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Considering the spore print color and a slimy cap, I agree with Stropharia.
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Those hygrophanous caramel brown caps don't look slimy to me. It is impossible to tell spore hue from that pink photo.
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cactu
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i really don´t see the spores but zonate cap , true
but i guees hes not lying when he said slimey look number 1 picture in the plastic bag
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: BEEP]
#7861130 - 01/10/08 07:14 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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JoelKl1 said:
 all of what i found 
What was your plan when you picked all these?
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: scout24]
#7861199 - 01/10/08 07:30 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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When in doubt, pick them all. 
You can toss them later. If it's far from your house, you can't easily return to harvest the rest if they are something edible.
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: CureCat]
#7861712 - 01/10/08 09:02 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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is better to stay low in the advisee to new in the hunting learning experience process since you never know when a noob will pick all the mushrooms of the city and they will dumb then i his garden, or worst will kick it in the street,not even in the lawn and we will lost 123456789.00 mushrooms and 987654321 millions of spores, i hate when you give advise as yes kick it in the wall , are spectacular to trow at the sky and shot , or the one that , haha i know sometimes i get you mad , but if you see the world is about to destroy if we continue this unrespetfull traditions, will will lost of imaginng all of us cutting all the mushrroms and you know, is so recurrent that i will try to fix it, is not good we are not kid any more , dont get mad think about it . or hes gos mi ban
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: cactu]
#7861805 - 01/10/08 09:15 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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I get you, cactu... I try not to take all the mushrooms in a flush, but sometimes, it's so hard not to... blewitts are yummy.
plus, kicking them spreads spores, most definitely, and the ones I pick and don't know the ID of, I do spore prints on, and try to be like Johnny Mushroomspore and redistribute those in a liquid medium around my neighborhood.
Of course, I don't tend to pick more than a couple of those I don't know the ID of, since they may be toxic or inedible at the very least, and it would be a waste of my time.
I do think that many people need to be more respectful of some species, but not that many people even notice mushrooms, so there are plenty out in the world dropping spores. It only takes a few hours of sporulation to spread enough spores to create lots of new patches.
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: PinheadX]
#7861882 - 01/10/08 09:25 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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i guess we all know the importance of the mushrooms and respect then . but when new mind so fragile and untouched learn so bad hunting technique well clearly will not developed the full potential of a spectacular mushrooms hunter, he will think all is shit in awhile , he will not give the importance it need to have,is a kid a fragile mind still a Young paw dawn , he can ´t control the force and the hate the hate can make you fell power over creatures, you fell like a kind but may shadow your way ,we humand are the most rare creatures of earth we do shit and make more. you see star war is the shit , i like to show my new pupil what i love, wonderland , i told then to help then , i even fell better myself,i show then how fragile they are imaging if i tell then here look how fragile it is look how it blow in millions peices. lol , i guees if i lay down in a delicate way in his hand he will fell extasis and not ego puch in the million pieces explotion, to be doing something good for the nature at least something in the million i do to destroy it, if you think about it teach people to understand mushroom can change your life, i like to look nature and learn , if you destroy it is not much to learn , we are not kid anymore the responsibility to take care of the world is in your hand you will laugh but when any of you fell the desire to clean all the wood´s and hear a voice in your head that tell you to go pick up and you don´t rest until is done well until then most people will not undestand , then we can talk is call awakening , are we still sleep ? this is exact post is dedicated to the lost child that is out there the dark Vader we don´t want to create.
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BEEP
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: cactu]
#7864367 - 01/11/08 10:41 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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scout24 said:
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JoelKl1 said:
 all of what i found 
What was your plan when you picked all these?
i was hopeing they would be edible or even active if i could get a positibe edible or active id i would give them to my friends and myself
cactu i wont ever pick all the mushrooms you dont have to worry about that with me and in that pasture i got all thoose from i probly left twice what i picked
sorry about the spore print pic i know its horrible, when i go back next week ill try to find ones a left and get some better prints and picks.
yes i wasnt lieing ^_^ i tried to pick a few by the cap; to not get my hands coverd in poo lol, and i could hardy pinch them because my fingers kept slipping off.
from what iv'e been reading it doesnt look like any stropharia's are great to eat and even if it was a stropharia i cant seem to get a good match on any species iv'e been seeing (useing google)
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Re: iv'e been finding theese alot [Re: BEEP]
#7864558 - 01/11/08 11:26 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Maybe Stropharia semiglobata? 
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q="stropharia+semiglobata"&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2
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