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A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!!
    #7859060 - 01/10/08 12:03 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Can you extract Psilocybe out of a cake of mycelium which is growing P.Cubensis..... or eat the mycelium? there is no pins forming yet either....


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7859065 - 01/10/08 12:05 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

its been asked. use your search button.

P.S Why would u want to eat mycelium.


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7859072 - 01/10/08 12:05 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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Can you extract Psilocybe out of a cake of mycelium which is growing P.Cubensis..... or eat the mycelium? there is no pins forming yet either....




lol thats not an advanced question. Yes you can. but is it worth it? no.


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: budzeno]
    #7859084 - 01/10/08 12:07 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Yes, myc has active compounds, but it's disgusting and not nearly as effective as a few fruits.

You need to eat so much that most would vomit!

But yes, you can, in theory blender a cake in some juice and drink it, and yes, you will feel it, but mostly in your stomach.

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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: budzeno]
    #7859086 - 01/10/08 12:07 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

would be very yummy :smile: lol o/j because it contains the chemicals.
i did check but i will check again cheers


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #7859101 - 01/10/08 12:09 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

i know its not but i dont want people coming into the post and knowing nothin and talkin b*llocks. which you guys arnt doin


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7859137 - 01/10/08 12:17 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

wOw that would taste awfull lol but like CC said you Could eat it and Would feel it to an extent but not like eating a few fruits. Waist of your time probably, wait a few more days and pick a couple of fresh mushies then eat em up.


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: DontPlay]
    #7859254 - 01/10/08 12:37 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

The fresher the fruit, and the smaller the fruit, the more bang per gram, and you can take that to the bank!


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7859280 - 01/10/08 12:45 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

You can, but if you have a jar that is colonised you are only a few days away from haveing a bunch of mushrooms that taste better than a cake and will rock your world alot better.

Patience people, patience,lol.



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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: doc34]
    #7859334 - 01/10/08 12:59 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

kk well my cake has been sitting in my box not growing ive waited nearly 3 weeks :frown: i would of thought it was done by now


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7859341 - 01/10/08 01:01 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

When you say not growing, do you mean it started then stopped, or it never started?


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: doc34]
    #7859390 - 01/10/08 01:09 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

I think he means he birthed it and it hasn't done crap.Did you dunk and roll your cake ? It might be to dry.


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: DontPlay]
    #7859418 - 01/10/08 01:15 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

yeh dunked it for bout 15 mins to shock it into starting. but yeh its done shit all, its covered in verm aswell


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7859437 - 01/10/08 01:17 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Needs to be longer than that, try dunking it for 12-24 hours. You can not cold shock cubes into pinning.


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: DontPlay]
    #7859455 - 01/10/08 01:19 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

well with the last batch we did b4 it was only dunked for 30 mins


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: DontPlay]
    #7859480 - 01/10/08 01:25 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Ok, what is your RH? Have you been misting and fanning?
Tell us a little more before you eat it, you may be hours away(I didnt say how many hours,lol) mega shrooms!
You may allready know this but,,,
When you introduce light and raise the humidity(95-100%) and decrease the co2(fresh air) that sequence of events activates the fruiting cycle and your cake will go dormant for a day or two with no visible growth, then you will notice these really bright spots called hyphal knots that appear just before fruiting. Then you will start to notice these growths of "off white/white" colored formations(some may have little red heads) called primordia, which is the begining of the fruiting cycle.
Unless your cake has stalled for some reason(low RH, high co2) there should be substantial growth-so what are your parameters, maybe some one can figure this out before you waste a cake.



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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7859489 - 01/10/08 01:28 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

That could possibly be why their sitting dormant. Imagine if you ran a marathon would you rather a sip of water or the whole damn bottle lol. Don't be afraid they won't drown. Take it into the kitchen, rinse it off well than place it in a bowl of water. Put a plate on it or something to weigh it down. Leave untill tomorrow morning and then take it out. It should smell pretty sweet and in a day or two you should see pins.


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: doc34]
    #7859526 - 01/10/08 01:34 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

erm humidity is quite high ive been misting aswell and fanning, the temp is about 21/24 its right next to my radiator and my room is fairly warm. erm remind me what RH means and what i will do is have a look at my cake and on the next post explain to you what i see.


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7859546 - 01/10/08 01:38 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

i just found this thing that didnt look like verm, and when i poked it it stuck to my finger and it smelt like shrooms realli bad and its a pin and i see others lol wow


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7859576 - 01/10/08 01:43 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

ive also made sure they are kk the one that stuck on me i looked carfully and it does look like a cub but within seconds of me squeezin it its got deep and i mean deep blue :laugh: im so happy lol


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7859589 - 01/10/08 01:45 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Lol,

Pins have a habit of turning extremely dark blue or black = they are potent little buggers too!

Just think, you almost ate it,lol.


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7859614 - 01/10/08 01:49 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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well with the last batch we did b4 it was only dunked for 30 mins




The last batch the cakes probably weren't as dry. If the cake is dry it won't fruit.

Dunk for 24 hours and preferably in the fridge to prevent bacterial bloom.

Then roll in dry verm and put in the Fruiting Chamber. Then mist them well to wet the verm.


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7859628 - 01/10/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

LOL well unless you knocked it up with an unknown source of spores than they should be cubes. Congrats however for future reference simply misting the cakes will not hydrate them enough. More water=bigger happier shrooms.


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7859670 - 01/10/08 01:58 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

i just found this thing that didnt look like verm, and when i poked it it stuck to my finger and it smelt like shrooms realli bad and its a pin and i see others lol wow




Good!

Now stop touching the cakes!!! :smile:


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: verminute]
    #7859922 - 01/10/08 02:40 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

lol cheers lol thankyou for ur help, all of you. erm i will soak it extra tnite :P also the one that stuck 2 my finger went black very quick.....somehow ive litterally broke nearly every rule with these lol


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7859938 - 01/10/08 02:43 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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lol cheers lol thankyou for ur help, all of you. erm i will soak it extra tnite :P also the one that stuck 2 my finger went black very quick.....somehow ive litterally broke nearly every rule with these lol




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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: verminute]
    #7860071 - 01/10/08 03:10 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Yeah as a new grower ive purposely done things just to teach myself a thing or two. Quit touching your cakes so much, go ahead and dunk it right this instance don't wait to long. Or you could just let this flush go see what happens but make sure to rehydrate your cake for the proper amount of time before your second flush if you want it to give you something good.It's a give a little get alot kinda thing. Give them what they need and then take what you need :smile:


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: DontPlay]
    #7860148 - 01/10/08 03:25 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

yeh what im gonna do is spray them for about 8 squirts on the cake but at a distance so it hydrates it, the cake seems quite moist anyway....but i promise no more touching lol :P i think this is quite a Strong strand of cubensis as we only took 2cc out of the syringe then the other 8cc into another load that was grown somewhere else. the thing is with this cake it had been incubating next to my boiler for atleast a month, the other one is still in incubation but now the thing which was running through my mind is 1, its aborted. thats what i thought but the mycelium is still growing and theres no sign of contamination. now the best bit is i didnt pressure cooker it, which is even more weird. we used a pressure cooker but it wasn't pressure and only for like 2 hours instead of 4 is it?
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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: Psilocybeater]
    #7860366 - 01/10/08 04:19 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Well good luck man, I'm sure things will be working out for you. Just read a few more threads on peoples opinions about dunking, 9/10 you will hear good things.


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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: DontPlay]
    #7860556 - 01/10/08 04:50 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Just incase anyone was interested the FBI did a study on when the actives appeared during cultivation of Cubes when investigating PF back in 1998.

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The psychoactive drugs psilocyn and psilocybin were not detected in the mycelium, the earliest stage of development of the mushroom. These drugs were identified in the mycelium knots, the earliest stages of the fruiting body of the mushroom.





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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: shaggydogman]
    #7860644 - 01/10/08 05:08 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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Re: A Question For Advanced Mycologist's !!!!!! [Re: DontPlay]
    #7860673 - 01/10/08 05:14 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

Yeah, that link has tons of great info!


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    #7860687 - 01/10/08 05:19 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

lol yeh probably 10/10 but the thing is i dont wanna damage the pins that are forming if they are coming off that easily and i only saw like 2/3 so im gonna just water it loads every morning so it gets its RDA of water :P

What do you think is the best shroom out in your opinion?
this is directed as well to anyone who wants to just give there view.

personally I'm stuck between p.cubensis and mckenna's.
cubensis is meant to give you no body noise, well it was screamin in my whole body but then it went after an hour then it was realli good open and closed eye visuals.
the mckennas where the first shroom i ever tried, and they (as far as remembered) gave such a feeling of euphoria and great visuals...


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