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RogerRabbit
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7860239 - 01/10/08 03:44 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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No need to respond to his lack of understanding any more in this thread. The captain has decided to take a little time-out. There is a big difference between providing moisture to the air, which is vapor, and continuing to apply moisture to already saturated air, which then essentially 'rains' on whatever is below. This has been explained to him so many times, half the members here have worn the letters off their keyboards.
Members are more than welcome to post questions, and the other members will be more than happy to explain things. However, once in a while someone comes along who just simply can't get it, no matter how many times things have been explained. For those people there is no other option than the door. We can't have the forum disrupted by constant flaming and nit-picking, especially by someone who doesn't understand the most basic principles of mycology or physical science. Good luck to all, and I apologize to the new members for the drama created by his trolling. RR
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clownbaby
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#22997735 - 03/11/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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I found this thread to be incredibly interesting. Mind if I open it back up?
I have had a natural attraction to growing from a young age, been growing on and off on here for over 10 years. I don't post much, I read much and I have realized how helpful topic searching is.
I have done some great grows on straw/hpoo but at the moment am growing standard pftek 8oz jars in sgfc.
The trouble is that I am in a high cold dry mountainous area. I had to block the hot air vent in the room from the forced air system to prevent drying of the cakes.
Otherwise I find the sgfc to be genious. I wrapped a small heating pad underneath and serran wrapped the bottom half of the tub (but not the BOTTOM BOTTOM). The Sgfc sits on a two bricks. I mist and fan as regular. However my cakes are turning blue, drying, I dunked rerolled. Drying.
Now I am considering the ultrasonic and did a search for that.
RR, I do not mean a challenge in any way I have more of a specific question.
What if you ran an ultrasonic on click on click off... say 20 mins ultra every 4 hours.
But I do not feel I would even need to open the sgfc but for a few fans. It then doesn't even need manual spraying more than just a few fans now and then.
Would something like this work??
Remember Im in such a dry place, I could run a humidfier in room... but it seems more effective to run a humidifier clicking on and off into the sgfc - but instead of humdifier perhaps the ultra. What do you think is this a possible beneficial idea?
I'll post pics if this thread expands. Thanks.
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clownbaby
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: clownbaby]
#22997750 - 03/11/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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By the way, I just have 4 small cakes in a small tub which fits them nicely. Standard sgfc. just wanted to clarify that detail. Remember, this is a simplistic humble grow and I am talking about easy simplistic set ups. I have a natural appreciation for the mushrooms and their bold character.
Perhaps others can share simple FCs which have worked best in dry, cold regions where there is perhaps hot forced air running indoors. Thanks folks.
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: clownbaby]
#22997755 - 03/11/16 10:16 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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do you have a fan running in the room your sgfc is in?
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WellEndowedPenguin
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: clownbaby]
#22997758 - 03/11/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are better solutions to your problem IMO. You'd be better off leaving the FC in a room with a space heater. Heating mats throw the natural air flow of the SGFC out of kilter, it really defeats the purpose of it. Dry environment? Mist the cakes more often and directly, and make sure your perlite is always damp.
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WellEndowedPenguin
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Also, you gotta learn to read the mycelium, if it looks dry mist it. It's recommended to always check the date of the posts you read. This is a 8 year old post and full of bad info (even though I haven't read it )
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clownbaby
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I am not sure that you understand how dry the air is, it sucks the moisture out right away though I may spray 3-5 times a day, rewet the perlite or even pour some water into the perlite (4" worth), still becomes dry.
Does anyone have advice or direct experience with this particular environment, and does running a humidifier in room work ? clicking on and off perhaps?
would anyone attach an ultra directly to the sgfc?
I'll get some pictures up in the morning, its late here and I'm pensive about this batch of creatures.
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clownbaby
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: clownbaby]
#22997792 - 03/11/16 10:24 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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I do feel that I read the mycellium pretty well. And even though its an older post (I noticed) I don't feel that its all been outdated or irrelevant, I am curious if there is a tek solution for this or if someone has had direct experience.
Cakes are pinning, I have a good sprayer but I'm hesitant to really mist the cakes super directly. I usually spray above and sometimes from a couple feet back as well to try to really glisten the cakes. This water evaps too quickly. Thus, I am considering a system where I only open the lid a couple times a day but theres some moisture pumping in every few hours.
Am I re inventing the wheel here?
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WellEndowedPenguin
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: clownbaby] 1
#22997806 - 03/11/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good luck finding someone who'd say any different from what I said. Also, the perlite has to be moist, ok... But the fruits are the ones who have to be misted DIRECTLY!!, surface moisture is key.
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Inocuole
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: clownbaby]
#22997869 - 03/11/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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You don't think this thread is full of bad information, even though the OP of the thread got banned by RR?
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RogerRabbit said: No need to respond to his lack of understanding any more in this thread. The captain has decided to take a little time-out. There is a big difference between providing moisture to the air, which is vapor, and continuing to apply moisture to already saturated air, which then essentially 'rains' on whatever is below. This has been explained to him so many times, half the members here have worn the letters off their keyboards.
Members are more than welcome to post questions, and the other members will be more than happy to explain things. However, once in a while someone comes along who just simply can't get it, no matter how many times things have been explained. For those people there is no other option than the door. We can't have the forum disrupted by constant flaming and nit-picking, especially by someone who doesn't understand the most basic principles of mycology or physical science. Good luck to all, and I apologize to the new members for the drama created by his trolling. RR
I'm inclined to think you aren't the best judge of outdated info.
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: Inocuole]
#22997892 - 03/11/16 11:12 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Raising the humidity to 99% with an ultrasonic would not add moisture to the cake, casing layer, or perlite. Besides, perlite alone would give 95% to 99%. Don't confuse humidity in the air with added liquid moisture to the cake or perlite. Even at 100% humidity, you wouldn't be adding moisture to your project, you would only be slowing down the rate of evaporation. RR"
" Read what RR Said.
Dude you really aren't doing yourself any favors by adding a heating pad and Saran wrapping the bottom half of your SGFC.
Get that stuff off!! If you get rid of that junk and run your SGFC the way you are supposed to you will get much better results than adding a humidifyer.
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Inocuole
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: mushpunx]
#22997921 - 03/11/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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Things that are terribly wrong with all of this:
-Heating the chamber, not the room (dries out substrates and the chamber, interesting) -Not misting cakes directly (hmm wonder why they dry out so fast..) -4 cakes isn't enough, they hold moisture better when there's like 10 of them clustered together.
People in even the driest climates can use a SGFC correctly when it's... used correctly.
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Ziran
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: mushpunx]
#22997928 - 03/11/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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could he simply make the air outside the chamber more humid to slow the evap process? or would that even matter?
-------------------- Song Of Healing
Updated Pf Tek Guide Ziran's Teks AMU Q&A Thread The Chinese word for nature is zìrán and it means that of which is of itself.

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Inocuole
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: Ziran]
#22998005 - 03/12/16 12:08 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's not necessary. The more dry the air on the outside is the more readily the moisture in the perlite will evaporate, therefore the higher the humidity in the actual chamber where it matters. Just gotta keep the perlite moist and mist cakes directly.
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Ziran
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: Inocuole] 1
#22998011 - 03/12/16 12:11 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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inoc. have i mentioned i love you yet today? if you were a piece of cake id eat the fuck outta you... and i dont even like cake.
-------------------- Song Of Healing
Updated Pf Tek Guide Ziran's Teks AMU Q&A Thread The Chinese word for nature is zìrán and it means that of which is of itself.

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WellEndowedPenguin
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Re: Perlite FC with an Ultra Sonic for misting. [Re: Ziran]
#22998054 - 03/12/16 12:25 AM (7 years, 10 months ago) |
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