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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: Civ]
    #7863989 - 01/11/08 08:44 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

You keep them sealed in the tupperware until the mushrooms get too big to fit, then move it to the fruiting chamber? How often do you give them fresh air and/or mist when sealed in the containers?

Is your coir of very fine powdery consistency when broken down, or does it have (is it okay to have) a few husk strands and little chips here and there?


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: 04281969]
    #7864080 - 01/11/08 09:25 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

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You keep them sealed in the tupperware until the mushrooms get too big to fit, then move it to the fruiting chamber?




No, I keep them covered with plastic wrap until I see the mycelia coming up through the casing layer(75-90% visibility) and I patch if needed. Then once I notice that the mycelia is coming up even, I start the fruiting process, FAE, Light and RH.
I fan about 6-10 times a day by hand and I mist thouroughly when I fan. Humidity is kept @ 100% continously during the fruiting process and I mist on top of that. Some may say that is too much, but it isn't. Water is the main factor in my flushes, I hand mist the fruits directly all the way up to the point of picking them. You must be very carefull when doing this as you can drown them and cause a bacterial contamination called wet-spot.
If you mist a mushroom, you may notice that at one point the cap is soaking wet-wait a few minutes and then the cap appears to be dry(the mushroom absorbed the water because it was thirsty), I wait untill the caps appear to be dry then I mist again and I keep doing this through the fruiting proceess, this is really hard for me to explain. I can show you first hand but explaining it is different.

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How often do you give them fresh air and/or mist when sealed in the containers?




I only mist them two times while they are colonizing. I do this because Coir has a tendacy to dry-out(This is where people connect "Overlay" with Coir-they let it dry out causing it to overlay) and that isn't good. I keep the casing layer at field capacity during colonization.

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Is your coir of very fine powdery consistency when broken down, or does it have (is it okay to have) a few husk strands and little chips here and there?





My Coir is the "Bed-a-Beast" brand and it is not the fibrous stranded type-it resembles coffee grounds when hydrated-but, it does contain some firber strands, but mostly just small grains of coir.



I hope that I have explained myself ok, cause what i do is very, very, touchy, meaning that you can fuck up and not even know it untill its too late. I don't want people to go and try what I am stating and then when they fail say "COIR SUKS!"
You can only learn what I am trying to say through years of trial and error, just as RR said"Doc, you obviously know the exact time to initiate the pinning process", I do and I learned it the hard way by learning from my screw-ups and others too.

Its not hard to get flushes like I do-you just have to listen to your mushrooms and speek fluent "Fungus"-the language of the shroom Gods,lol.

Watch and understand your casings and give them what they need and they will give you what you want.


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: doc34]
    #7864307 - 01/11/08 10:28 AM (16 years, 21 days ago)

nice grow Doc!~

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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: Roadkill]
    #7869257 - 01/12/08 02:26 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: Civ]
    #7869468 - 01/12/08 03:34 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

jesus man. that is what i want. what is that container u used?


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: Supplier]
    #7869484 - 01/12/08 03:39 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

You could probably match them up in the isle at the store.


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: 04281969]
    #7869892 - 01/12/08 05:22 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I'm going all coir after this lol wbs spawned to coir cased with coir. You ever try and add verm to the coir casein to keep the moister up?


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: MYSTIQUE]
    #7870029 - 01/12/08 05:51 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

You say you're mixing the wbs and coir, allowing it to get covered with mycelium, then casing with straigt coir, waiting for it to come up evenly through that, then fruiting?

Because I was thinking of crumbling a cake over vermiculte, and covering with coir, then let it poke through evenly before putting it into the FC.

Would spawning it to coir first before casing with coir add that much more power to the fruiting? It might add more opportunity to contaminate.


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: 04281969]
    #7870081 - 01/12/08 06:04 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Dear stranger 04281969,

I don't want to speak for Doc .... but the way I understand this is:

He spawns WBS to straw at a ratio of 1:4 ...... then 'cases' with a layer of coir.

This is what I see carefully reading the posts.


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: uncle_rico]
    #7870142 - 01/12/08 06:18 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

I was actually asking MYSTIQUE. Thanks, though.


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: 04281969]
    #7870174 - 01/12/08 06:22 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

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You say you're mixing the wbs and coir, allowing it to get covered with mycelium, then casing with straigt coir, waiting for it to come up evenly through that, then fruiting?

Because I was thinking of crumbling a cake over vermiculte, and covering with coir, then let it poke through evenly before putting it into the FC.

Would spawning it to coir first before casing with coir add that much more power to the fruiting? It might add more opportunity to contaminate.




You gotta quote me if you ain't asking the original poster. But ya that was the plan after seeing this. I don't know about crumbling a cake I have done it with like 50% success so I don't like it much.

And I don't know about the last question ill find out.


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: 04281969]
    #7870193 - 01/12/08 06:24 PM (16 years, 20 days ago)

Doc, could you please give a picture of exactly when you initiate pinning?
I sure would like to learn as much as possible from your experience before I mess it up.


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: 04281969] * 1
    #7872458 - 01/13/08 06:45 AM (16 years, 19 days ago)

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Doc, could you please give a picture of exactly when you initiate pinning?
I sure would like to learn as much as possible from your experience before I mess it up.




Sure thing:):thumbup:

I can show you a couple of casings that were photo'd 1 day after I started pinning. I think these were taken about a day or a day and a half after I innitiated the pinning processVVVV






Here is a couple more that were taken two days after birthingVVV



And just to show those of you that may say that I waited too long to start the pinning process, these are for youVVVVVVV



















I don't know if I repeated any pics, oh well,,,,,,
Yeah, I know---"How did you keep them from over-laying?" Very easy, I kept the humidity very high(100%) at all times during the fruiting process, and when I misted I did it up into the air and allowed the mist to fall (Like morning dew) onto the casings(I didn't mist them directly until the mushrooms were about 1" long). Overlay is usually caused by the mycelia becoming too dry on the surface an dying-or by being bruised by misting or touching(Do I really have to explain what causes overlay?) or just waiting way too long before they are fruited, causing the mycelia to grow ontop of itself and,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,tis another thread for this:tongue:

When I see the mycelia coming up through the casing layer in about 50% of the surface area-I start the pinning process.
When you patch, don't put too much on the spots, just enough to cover them lightly(I just sprinkle it on top). Once you see about 50% visibility(Mycelium), open them up and mist, fan, mist, fan, mist, fan, mist, fan, mist, etc,,,,etc,,,


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Really high quality photos too




Thank you. I just got a new camera and its bad-ass.
JVC Everio GZ-MG21U HDD digital camera/camcorder(I also have one for sale======ATTENTION ROADKILL-->I know, I was suppose to do that in the marketplace,lol---------->J/K Bro!)
But thanks for the kudos. I thought the pics were lacking in quality(focus,light), may be it's my eye's. They say your eyes go when you get older, but hell, only yesterday I was 16! Hahaha

Any how, yeah!


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: doc34]
    #7873461 - 01/13/08 01:55 PM (16 years, 19 days ago)

That looks perfectly executed. I think as far as shrooms go, that deserves a doctorate. Well done, sir.


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: doc34]
    #24494098 - 07/19/17 12:17 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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doc34 said:
Yes,


but with better spelling(J/K)


I spawned WBS to straw = yes

I cased with coir = yes

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Hey bro those pics are dope! So do you think the wbs is key to the results. I mean spawn is spawn right? I use rye berries and they seem to rock it really well. I was just wondering if the wbs has better nutrients that the mycelium favors than say rye berries. But again I just think spawn is spawn if it's healthy and done with proper sterile procedures it should colonize to any bulk sub. Is there something magical about using straw? Meaning would one achieve the same results if they used a manure based sub? Or, is it the casing of the coir that triggers your mammoth results? Can you give your insight?

Also you said you do a 4:1 ratio can you elaborate specifically what the 4 is volume wise and the 1 is volume wise. I am assuming its 4 straw and 1 spawn but needing to know volume.

Is getting a bale of straw from the local farm store suffice to use or is that hay?

Finally, in your photos it looks like your trays are in tubs with perlite and I am not seeing any drilled holes. What about FAE?

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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: MacPappy]
    #24494123 - 07/19/17 12:32 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

Spawn is spawn, whatever grain you prep best and get cheapest is best, WBS is kind of outdated, a few cultivators still use it because its whats available in their area.

1:4 means one part to four parts, could be any volume its the proportion thats important, usually on these forums we are referring to quarts.

This thread is nine years old and the original poster hasn't logged in for over 5 months. You should look for more recent information using the search function, if you limit the timeframe to 2-3 years and posted by trusted cultivatiors you'll only be seeing the newest most vetted info.


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Re: WBS/STRAW cased with 100% COCO-COIR !! [Re: AyePlus]
    #24494132 - 07/19/17 12:38 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

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AyePlus said:
This thread is nine years old and the original poster hasn't logged in for over 5 months. You should look for more recent information using the search function, if you limit the timeframe to 2-3 years you'll only be seeing the newest info.





I agree. Doc has his email listed so I forwarded my questions to him hoping he will respond. I find new shit on here daily and when I came across this one. Wow the proof is in the pictures.


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