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dshroom
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subsequent flush procedure
#7857779 - 01/10/08 05:44 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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would an expert please comment:
if one has a nice first flush in a cased poo/casting/straw/coir/verm substrate what is the best procedure to follow between flushes please?
thanks.
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blood4blood
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: dshroom]
#7857782 - 01/10/08 05:46 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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let it dry out for a week or so and then put it in your bathtub or sink and fill it up with water and let it run over the top for an hour or two and then drain the water off, as much as you can and your golden. you might need to wiegh the bulk down with something to prevent it from floating.
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dshroom
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: blood4blood]
#7858011 - 01/10/08 07:46 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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blood4blood said: let it dry out for a week or so and then put it in your bathtub or sink and fill it up with water and let it run over the top for an hour or two and then drain the water off, as much as you can and your golden. you might need to wiegh the bulk down with something to prevent it from floating.
ok. i might use distilled water, cover it, and out it in the fridge for a night, but i get that.
can you be more specific about "let it dry out" please?
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blood4blood
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: dshroom]
#7858188 - 01/10/08 08:45 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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after your first flush is through just let it sit dormant for 5-7 days and dont do anything to it. then soak it.
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fastfred
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: dshroom]
#7858208 - 01/10/08 08:48 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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if one has a nice first flush in a cased poo/casting/straw/coir/verm substrate what is the best procedure to follow between flushes please?
Do nothing at all. Just about anything you do is going to reduce your next flush or expose it to contams. Definitely don't do what the other guy said.
-FF
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dshroom
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: fastfred]
#7858222 - 01/10/08 08:51 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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fastfred said:
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if one has a nice first flush in a cased poo/casting/straw/coir/verm substrate what is the best procedure to follow between flushes please?
Do nothing at all. Just about anything you do is going to reduce your next flush or expose it to contams. Definitely don't do what the other guy said.
-FF
aha. back to the drawing board. i have in the past done nothing at all with success. when you say that you mean just leave it in the fc at 75 degrees with 90% rh and try not to check on it every 12 minutes?
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: fastfred]
#7858234 - 01/10/08 08:55 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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fastfred said:
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if one has a nice first flush in a cased poo/casting/straw/coir/verm substrate what is the best procedure to follow between flushes please?
Do nothing at all. Just about anything you do is going to reduce your next flush or expose it to contams. Definitely don't do what the other guy said.
-FF
sometimes i dont understand you FF. goodluck getting decent flushes after your first with a dry sub.
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: dshroom]
#7858240 - 01/10/08 08:56 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yep. If it seems too dry then mist it a bit more, otherwise leave it alone. There's no reason to fuck with it when you should get another two big flushes out of it. By that time you should probably have more ready to go in the FC.
-FF
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dshroom
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: fastfred]
#7858284 - 01/10/08 09:13 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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fastfred said: Yep. If it seems too dry then mist it a bit more, otherwise leave it alone. There's no reason to fuck with it when you should get another two big flushes out of it. By that time you should probably have more ready to go in the FC.
-FF
excellent and i thank you. on a lighter note, do you think checking on it 8 or 9 times a day is too often?
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: dshroom]
#7858325 - 01/10/08 09:28 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Dunk the whole substrate, or set it in the bath tub under a constant drip of water from the faucet for 24 hours. A tray of substrate after one flush becomes fairly dry and you can tell this by how light weight it becomes. Rehydrating by misting just doesn't cut it as its near impossible to get the entire substrate rehydrated in this manner.
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Molasses
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: Fraggin]
#7858359 - 01/10/08 09:40 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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I tried to let my casing sit for 5-7 days but it produced a second flush before i had a chance to dunk.
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: Molasses]
#7858742 - 01/10/08 11:08 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Why would you do nothing at all? The moisture level of the substrate has surely decreased and if I am not mistaken shrooms need water 
If you properly pH balanced and adjusted your project and are supplying proper air exchange contams shouldn't be a problem for the second flush.
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: Mycodood]
#7860287 - 01/10/08 03:54 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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> Why would you do nothing at all?
Because if you prepared it right and your conditions are optimal you'll get another two gangbuster flushes out of it before you need to do anything to it. At that point it's time to throw it out and bring in fresh myc.
Pump up your ultrasonic a little bit and you'll end up with standing water in your trays if you're not careful.
-FF
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: fastfred]
#7863873 - 01/11/08 07:25 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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fastfred said: > Why would you do nothing at all?
Because if you prepared it right and your conditions are optimal you'll get another two gangbuster flushes out of it before you need to do anything to it. At that point it's time to throw it out and bring in fresh myc.
Pump up your ultrasonic a little bit and you'll end up with standing water in your trays if you're not careful.
-FF
Call me crazy but I like to get more than 2 flushes a grow.
I get 3 to 5 out of mine with a dunk after each flush. Waste of time and materials if your tossing after 2 flushes. And I don't use ultrasonics. They are pretty useless and hard to regulate IMO. Perlite in an FC, Invitro bags or Monotubs are the way to go.
To each his own
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: Mycodood]
#7864481 - 01/11/08 11:14 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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He's already had one flush. Two more makes three. 3 flushes is widely regarded as the point where you want to change out myc.
Ultrasonics are the shit if you have any sort of sizable FC. Sure they need to be regulated, but that's not terribly difficult. You can rig up some sort of timing system or simply give them a short blast after every fanning.
My guess is that you're overfanning them, which is why your substrate is drying out. Perlite simply can't compete with overfanning. With an ultrasonic you can fan them all you want and just give them a little blast from the ultrasonic and you're back to optimal humidity almost instantly.
If you were maintaining good humidity adding water would just waterlog them.
Each to their own though. Everyone develops methods that work for them, which is what it's all about.
-FF
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: Fraggin]
#7864921 - 01/11/08 12:54 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Fraggin said: Dunk the whole substrate, or set it in the bath tub under a constant drip of water from the faucet for 24 hours. A tray of substrate after one flush becomes fairly dry and you can tell this by how light weight it becomes. Rehydrating by misting just doesn't cut it as its near impossible to get the entire substrate rehydrated in this manner.
Yes I agree,although I do agree with Fast Fred as far as scrapping after flush three and getting new projects in,even with a good dunk past flush three you are more than likely not going to get many mushrooms,you will get a few(And they will be huge) but it still doesn't compare to the 1st flush you could be getting off of a new project
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Re: subsequent flush procedure [Re: fastfred]
#7865860 - 01/11/08 04:43 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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fastfred said: > Why would you do nothing at all?
Because if you prepared it right and your conditions are optimal you'll get another two gangbuster flushes out of it before you need to do anything to it. At that point it's time to throw it out and bring in fresh myc.
Pump up your ultrasonic a little bit and you'll end up with standing water in your trays if you're not careful.
-FF
totally
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