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Super delegates
    #7854704 - 01/09/08 04:38 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I'm not sure I understand Superdelegates.

Obama won Iowa. Hillary and Obama basically tied with the same delegate votes in NH.

But yet, Hillary leads Obama 2 to 1 in delegates. I'm confused?


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Re: Super delegates [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7854752 - 01/09/08 04:47 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)



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Re: Super delegates [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7854818 - 01/09/08 04:59 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

too long, didn't read...

zappa, could you summarize that, or post some excerpts here?  Don't expect anyone to just read a bare link :nonono:


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Re: Super delegates [Re: johnm214]
    #7854844 - 01/09/08 05:04 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I don't expect anybody to read it at all.:bluemoon:


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Re: Super delegates [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7854857 - 01/09/08 05:06 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

well, could you write a bit on superdelegates and get back to us w/ citations?

and I'll need some help around the house tomorrow too :thumbup:


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Re: Super delegates [Re: johnm214]
    #7854902 - 01/09/08 05:14 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

johnm214 writes:

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too long, didn't read...




Good grief. It takes maybe 60 seconds to read that. It's too short to even summarize -- it's practically its own summary. Here it is in its entirety --






Superdelegates are delegates to a presidential nominating convention in the United States who are not bound by the decisions of party primaries or caucuses. Superdelegates are elected officeholders and party officials.
Superdelegates were first appointed in the 1970s, after control of the nomination process in the Democratic Party effectively moved out of the hands of party officials into the primary and caucus process. The aim was to accord some say in the process to people who had been playing roles in the party before the election year.

As of the 2008 nominating cycle, the Republican Party does not have superdelegates. It does, however, have 463 unpledged delegates, 123 of whom are Republican National Committee members.[1]

In the Democratic primary phase of the 2004 U.S. Presidential election, Howard Dean acquired an early lead in delegate counts by obtaining the support of a number of superdelegates before even the first primaries were held.

The Democratic National Convention

The Democratic National Convention, where the Democratic presidential ticket is formally agreed upon, has 792[2] superdelegates. Superdelegates to the Democratic Convention include all Democratic members of the United States Congress, various additional elected officials, as well as members of the Democratic National Committee.

A candidate needs a simple majority of the combined delegate and superdelegate votes to secure the nomination. Democratic delegates from state caucuses and primaries number 3,248. This means that the total number of votes is 4,049. The total number of delegate votes needed to win the nomination is 2,025.[2] Superdelegates account for approximately one fifth (19.6%) of all votes at the convention. Delegates chosen in the Democratic caucuses and primaries account for about four fifths (80.4%) of the Democratic convention delegates.[2][3]

Criticism

The Democratic Party is often criticized during election cycles for the manner in which they conduct their convention. There have been repeated calls to eliminate the superdelegates from the primary process to more accurately reflect the popular vote. [4]






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Re: Super delegates [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7854966 - 01/09/08 05:32 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

The Tyranny of Super-Delegates

Barack Obama's stirring victory in Iowa was also a good night for our democracy. The turnout broke records and young people – who were mobilized and organized – participated in unprecedented numbers. And now that Iowans have spoken – the first citizens in the nation to do so – here's the Democratic delegate count for the top three candidates (2,025 delegates are needed to secure the nomination):

Clinton – 169

Obama – 66

Edwards – 47

"Huh?" you say. "vanden Heuvel, you made a MAJOR typo."

In fact, those numbers are correct: the third-place finishing Sen. Hillary Clinton now has over twice as many delegates as Sen. Obama, and more than three times as many delegates as the second-place candidate, Sen. John Edwards. Why? Because the Democratic Party uses an antiquated and anti-democratic nominating system that includes 842 "super-delegates" – un-pledged party leaders not chosen by the voters, free to support the candidate of their choice, and who comprise more than forty percent of the delegates needed to win the nomination. Many have already announced the candidate they will support.

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/edcut?bid=7&pid=266130


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Re: Super delegates [Re: Phred]
    #7855126 - 01/09/08 06:05 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

He was making a joke.


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Re: Super delegates [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7855364 - 01/09/08 06:54 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
He was making a joke.




:thumbup:

and they say zappa is square

guess that was a lil ambiguous though


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Re: Super delegates [Re: johnm214]
    #7855384 - 01/09/08 06:58 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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and they say zappa is square






The FUCK you say!  Who says that?  I am far and away the funniest poster on t3h hole intertubes:angrydog:


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Re: Super delegates [Re: johnm214]
    #7855427 - 01/09/08 07:05 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I guess I wasn't clear.
I was more confused how Clinton could be leading with such a wide margin.

Why would the Superdelegates choose an un-electable candidate? Is the Democratic Party that out of touch with reality?

Sure she can attract die hard liberals, but anyone that is anywhere near moderate will not vote for her.

Why not just hand the Presidency back to Bush with an Amendment that strikes down the 22nd Amendment?


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Re: Super delegates [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7855645 - 01/09/08 07:36 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

are you serious? you think Hillary attracts the die hard liberals? she is way to moderate for me, so is Obama. They are both very moderate compared to the republicans. Hillary is very polarizing but not that liberal.


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Re: Super delegates [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7855662 - 01/09/08 07:37 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Why would the super delegates nominate her? She has most of them bought and paid for already.


Like most party elites they are in it for the side money, not because they give a rats ass about this country or it's people.


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