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soaking rye question
    #7853974 - 01/09/08 02:23 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Every time I seem to soak my rye for say 4 or more hours, It cracks open leaving the insides of the seed exposed and mushie looking...Is this okay, and If not how could I prevent this? any washing teqs?


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: jape]
    #7854014 - 01/09/08 02:32 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

RogerRabbits Rye tek
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My rye tek. I haven't posted this here in awhile.

Measure out your organic rye berries from a health food store, 1 cup for each quart jar you intend to make. Place them in a large pot. Rinse the heck out of them. Fill the pot with hot tap water, shake and swirl it around and pour it out. Do this three or four times until the water you pour out is clear. You'll be able to see when you have nice clean water to pour off instead of water filled with chaff and dirt. You want to now cover the rye berries with three times as much water as you have rye. Use half coffee(or less) and half plain water. In other words, if you have two inches of rye in the bottom of your pan, you should have six inches of water/coffee above that, for a total of 8 inches. Add one tablespoon of gypsum to the water and stir well. Leave this to sit for 12 to 24 hours.

After the soak, add water to nearly fill the kettle up, but leave room at the top for it to boil. Stir well and set the pot on the stove. Bring to a boil. Boil for ten minutes, then, WHILE BOILING, drain the contents through a very large colander. (spaghetti strainer) If you're making a large batch, you may need more than one colander. Tip the colander side to side to get the rye to drain as much of the water as you can. Then, shake the colander in order to 'toss' the grain. This will cause a lot of steam to rise from your rye. Do this a time or two, then let it sit for five minutes, then repeat. When all the moisture that will drip or evaporate from your rye has already done so, load your jars. The rye should look and feel dry to the touch when you load the jars. All the moisture you need is inside the grain. Fill jars no more than 2/3 full if they are to receive grain to grain transfers, or no more than 3/4 full if they are to be inoculated by spore syringe. Use a lid with a synthetic filter disk, polyfill, tyvek or similar. Cover with foil and PC the jars for at least 90 minutes at 15lbs. When the jars are cool, they're ready to inoculate.





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Re: soaking rye question [Re: Nibin]
    #7854033 - 01/09/08 02:35 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Helps wicked :crazy2: tnks


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: jape]
    #7854080 - 01/09/08 02:44 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I have never seen rye crack open from soaking, germinate maybe after 72 hours, but never crack.

Is it possible your rye supply is bunk?


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7854132 - 01/09/08 02:54 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Seeds can burst. Ever overcooked WBS? It happens with rye too.


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: Nibin]
    #7854148 - 01/09/08 02:57 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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Seeds can burst. Ever overcooked WBS? It happens with rye too.




I thought he meant after a 4 hour soak, not boiling. Has your rye burst while soaking overnight?


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7854176 - 01/09/08 03:02 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Are you soaking in hot or cold water? Cold is the key.


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: Mycodood]
    #7854206 - 01/09/08 03:09 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Mebbe what he meant by bursting was the start of germination...


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: Nibin]
    #7854213 - 01/09/08 03:11 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Roger recommends warm water.


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: Captain Cubensis]
    #7854231 - 01/09/08 03:14 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

You should soak either in hot or very cold water to inhibit germination


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: Nibin]
    #7856195 - 01/09/08 09:21 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Soaking for 24-48 hours in the fridge has always worked the best IME. 48 is usually best, no need to boil either.


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: fastfred]
    #7856925 - 01/09/08 11:19 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

Yeah, Iunno It's like the inner rye swells with the water, kinda like rice except the outer shell like opens....Uhm though I think i'm just gonna rinse the hell outta them, Or find a new substrate.  Thnks:thumbup:


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: jape]
    #7857035 - 01/09/08 11:33 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I have always soaked at room temp with warm water


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: Blutjager]
    #7857596 - 01/10/08 02:16 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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I have always soaked at room temp with warm water




That's a good way to end up with a bunch of rotten spoiled worthless rye.


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: fastfred]
    #7858760 - 01/10/08 11:11 AM (16 years, 22 days ago)

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I have always soaked at room temp with warm water




That's a good way to end up with a bunch of rotten spoiled worthless rye.




I leave mine at room for 24 hours. Haven't had a problem yet.
I start with cold and let it sit overnight, drain, PC for 60 at
15 psi and I am good to go.


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Re: soaking rye question [Re: Mycodood]
    #7860270 - 01/10/08 03:49 PM (16 years, 22 days ago)

That works, but sometimes doesn't get the water content as high as you would want it. I usually found around 48 hours to be best, when soaking for that long you really have to refrigerate it to avoid spoilage and germination.


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