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Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics)
#7853451 - 01/09/08 12:47 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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What I've learned, regardless of what Tek's tell you, you need to pack the substrate down a little before you PC. Other wise the mycelium will reach out and grab what it can find. It looks like spider-man's web from the movies... Here is a picture, sorry for the poor quality, it's from a camera phone...

Here is my incubation box. Yup a shoe box with a temp. meter. I use a heating blanket under it, it stays around 78 degrees.

Now here is my FC, obviously not in use yet. Perlite is under the tin foil which will be removed when I'm ready.

So my question, since the jars are not %100 and I see pinning, I assume I should still wait until I reach %100 even is the pins start to abort? Or will they just continue growth without a lot of humidity and room for growth.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7853535 - 01/09/08 01:03 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Growth That spider mans web you describe is a great sign of growth it should look very ropey like that.Packing the substrate is not recommended because leaving little air pockets gives the mycelium room to jump through the substrate. Early Pinning Yeah I have the same problem currently, From what ive read you should just leave it in there and keep it in the dark. Light can trigger pinning. The pins in my jars have not growin any bigger and the cakes are now almost done colonizing. Heating Pad- FC Using a heating pad under the box is terribly dangerous, it's the cause of many house fires not to mention uneven distribution of heat to your jars. Also you should drill a few 1/4 inch holes on all sides of that FC unless you want to hand fan 12 times a day.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7853541 - 01/09/08 01:05 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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i would watch it closely.. intro-pinning does happen but normaly not till 100%... Birthing them at 75%-85% does not seem to be the proper answer, but if they are pinning, the want to fruit, wich means the colonization will stop.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7853552 - 01/09/08 01:08 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Leave them until 100% colinisaton. Birthing early will give a great chance of the uncolinised portion becoming contaminated.
I have seen mushrooms grow inside jars just fine.
Take shitake for example, they are best left fruiting in the jar, the work ther way up and find outside.
I always thought that pinning before 100% colinisation was a trigger from something else other than a pinning trigger, for example contamination. But im not to sure about that.
People will come along and ask if they have been exposed to light. I dont think it is light, my jars get exposed to light frequently and have never had early pinning. I will be testing out this theory soon.
other than that, im not sure what is causing the early pinning.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Slimz]
#7853553 - 01/09/08 01:08 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yea the heating pad is a very dangerous method. I would suggest the double tub with the aquarium heater underneath as shown in the PF tek. Very effective and doesn't cost much at all. Good luck.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: mrwindowz]
#7853581 - 01/09/08 01:13 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Thank you all!
Great replies, the heating pad is at low heat, but I will work towards removing it.
As for the comment regarding healthy, or normal mycelium with the spider web effect... PHEW! Thanks, I've been reasearching and could not find that answer. Thanks.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7853591 - 01/09/08 01:16 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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DontPlay said: Growth That spider mans web you describe is a great sign of growth it should look very ropey like that.Packing the substrate is not recommended because leaving little air pockets gives the mycelium room to jump through the substrate. Early Pinning Yeah I have the same problem currently, From what ive read you should just leave it in there and keep it in the dark. Cooler temp's and light can trigger pinning. The pins in my jars have not growin any bigger and the cakes are now almost done colonizing. Heating Pad- FC Using a heating pad under the box is terribly dangerous, it's the cause of many house fires not to mention uneven distribution of heat to your jars. Also you should drill a few 1/4 inch holes on all sides of that FC unless you want to hand fan 12 times a day.
Temp drop is not a pinning trigger.
While light is a pinning trigger, exposure to light should not trigger pinning in an partially colinised substrate (not to my knowledge)
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: veda_sticks]
#7853614 - 01/09/08 01:19 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Hmm well there goes some more misinformation I have read in numerous posts that drop in temp is a pinning trigger. Now I have no idea if that is true or not I think I need to buy some mycology books. Id like to think that they would not be filled with non sense.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7853643 - 01/09/08 01:25 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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DontPlay said: Hmm well there goes some more misinformation I have read in numerous posts that drop in temp is a pinning trigger. Now I have no idea if that is true or not I think I need to buy some mycology books. Id like to think that they would not be filled with non sense.
I thought the same thing, no worries, you're passing on information which has some fact. For instance I would've made the same assumption based on dunking... Since it's done at cold temps I would think it would be benifcal for all types of pinning... Veda, can you help shed some light on the matter?
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7853661 - 01/09/08 01:30 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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A drop in temperature is a pinning trigger depending on the species. If you are trying to grow edible species, then a temperature drop is necessary. If you are growing cubensis, then a temperature drop is not necessay. So it depends on the species you are growing.
Pinning and temperature
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: mrwindowz]
#7853695 - 01/09/08 01:36 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Cool, thanks!
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7853745 - 01/09/08 01:45 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Yeah after Veda posted that I did a little more searching on the matter. A decrease in temp is necessary for optimal growing conditions but not for pinning. Cubes do not need to be cold shocked either, as Ive been seeing alot of post claiming that also. Maybe we should think of early pins as very impatient little buggers lol and are trying to lead the way.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7853771 - 01/09/08 01:49 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Impatient yes, but am I happy to see first pins, HELL YEAH!
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7853781 - 01/09/08 01:51 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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DontPlay said: Hmm well there goes some more misinformation I have read in numerous posts that drop in temp is a pinning trigger. Now I have no idea if that is true or not I think I need to buy some mycology books. Id like to think that they would not be filled with non sense.
Temp drop is an important pinning trigger in cold loving species but not for P. Cubensis as they are a tropical species. Do a search for posts by RR relative to cold shocking and you will get more info.
PS: Dunking, which is done in the fridge, is not done in the fridge for cold shocking but to help prevent contams.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Nibin]
#7853813 - 01/09/08 01:55 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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DontPlay said: Hmm well there goes some more misinformation I have read in numerous posts that drop in temp is a pinning trigger. Now I have no idea if that is true or not I think I need to buy some mycology books. Id like to think that they would not be filled with non sense.
PS: Dunking, which is done in the fridge, is not done in the fridge for cold shocking but to help prevent contams.
Ah, that makes much more sense.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7854108 - 01/09/08 02:49 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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I would recommend you use that jar for G2G, since it is showing easy fruiting genetics.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7854141 - 01/09/08 02:57 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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That is a great recommendation actually. Good call. It is the most badass of them all... Like sparta... Hahaha, it's the sparta cake!
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7854154 - 01/09/08 02:59 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7854172 - 01/09/08 03:02 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: I would recommend you use that jar for G2G, since it is showing easy fruiting genetics.
CC, tranferring mycelium from one jar to another will not isolate the easy fruiting genetics. A jar inoculated with multispore will contain different portions with different genetics, be they compatible or not)
By doing a G2G from multispore spawn you will not isolate a set of genetics.
Where did you get that idea from?
PS: Early pinning inside a jar is normally caused by or contamination or an improperly prepared substrate. The mycelium thinks it has finished colonizing all it can (even if there is stuff left in the jar) and starts fruiting.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Nibin]
#7854248 - 01/09/08 03:18 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: I would recommend you use that jar for G2G, since it is showing easy fruiting genetics.
CC, tranferring mycelium from one jar to another will not isolate the easy fruiting genetics. A jar inoculated with multispore will contain different portions with different genetics, be they compatible or not)
By doing a G2G from multispore spawn you will not isolate a set of genetics.
Where did you get that idea from?
He didn't say isolate, and though a grain to grain transfer would not isolate a set of genetics, it would minimize the sets that you are working with when compared to a multi-spore inoculation.
I have taken rhizomorphic mycelium from rhizomorphic areas of a grain jar innnoculated with ms, and grown and entire jar of what look like cotton rope. I have done this on numerous occasions. So, I have to disagree with part of your detraction from the advice given.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Nibin]
#7854435 - 01/09/08 03:52 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Nibin said: PS: Early pinning inside a jar is normally caused by or contamination or an improperly prepared substrate. The mycelium thinks it has finished colonizing all it can (even if there is stuff left in the jar) and starts fruiting.
The cake pictured, as you suggest, does have an area where the substrate appears to be gapped from the canning jar. However the pin is far from this area, and it appears to be the most healthy area of the cake...
Can you clearify 'improperly prepared sustrate'? Or just an example. Thanks again for the response!
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Fraggin]
#7854511 - 01/09/08 04:00 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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well he did say use it for G2G and that is not grain those are BRF cakes. So he is wrong in saying use it for G2G.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7854522 - 01/09/08 04:01 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Oh, I see what you're saying... Yes, these are BRF cakes.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7854541 - 01/09/08 04:04 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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It can still be done, if you have a Glovebox. I don't recommend doing it without or you'll wait a week and see that your "new jars" have been contaminated from opening the lids after PCing.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7854552 - 01/09/08 04:07 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Makes sense, yup... I have a glove box, but homemade, so I won't risk it. Plus I'm about to move, so I might as well keep the jars in incubation rather than risking contaim.
Again, I can't thank everyone enough for the kind responses.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Nibin]
#7854608 - 01/09/08 04:18 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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No, I wasn't implying that would constitute an isolation, using a proven fruiter for G2G.
But I do think most people would use their best jars versus their worst for G2G.
For example, if you knocked up 6 jars, and planned to fruit 3 and use 3 for G2G, which three would you choose for G2G?
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7854624 - 01/09/08 04:20 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Logical... totally...
Since I inculated all the jars around the same time and this jar came out best oviously it would be the one picked IMO. I can't say the pin genes are the best, but from what I have it's the winner... If that makes any sense...
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Fraggin]
#7854891 - 01/09/08 05:12 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Nibin said:
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Captain Cubensis said: I would recommend you use that jar for G2G, since it is showing easy fruiting genetics.
CC, tranferring mycelium from one jar to another will not isolate the easy fruiting genetics. A jar inoculated with multispore will contain different portions with different genetics, be they compatible or not)
By doing a G2G from multispore spawn you will not isolate a set of genetics.
Where did you get that idea from?
He didn't say isolate, and though a grain to grain transfer would not isolate a set of genetics, it would minimize the sets that you are working with when compared to a multi-spore inoculation.
I have taken rhizomorphic mycelium from rhizomorphic areas of a grain jar innnoculated with ms, and grown and entire jar of what look like cotton rope. I have done this on numerous occasions. So, I have to disagree with part of your detraction from the advice given.
I fully agree with your answer, and am totally aware that by doing a g2g selecting specific areas of mycelium you will significantly reduce the amount of sets of genetics but...
A) I doubt that is the way CC meant it (he'll argue that he did)
B) He didn't go into further detail, which can cause future confusion, especially to noobs.
C) It won't give the desired results 100% of the time. It is up to luck if you managed to isolate the set of genetics you wanted or not. Without more information on WHY he should have done the g2g and what effects it would have that piece of advice was no good.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Nibin]
#7855074 - 01/09/08 05:56 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Well done to those who took the inititive to search and find out more about my answer.
Cold shocking is sometimes a bit of a misunderstood term. Dunking in the fridge is not to cold shock the mycelium, but to slow down bacteria growth that may be in the water. It isnt essential to dunk in the fridge, but it is considered good practice.
Another justification of temp drop not being a pinning trigger, many cultivators have grown cubes at the same temperatures and even higher than incubation, without noticing difference in pinning.
The 1 thing that temperature will effect is growth speed, obviously. There was a debate a little bit back about temperature and densitiy of fruits. Not sure what the outcome was.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: veda_sticks]
#7855298 - 01/09/08 06:37 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Well I can say that I went threw 2 flushs on a cake and it was in an 80 degree terrarium it ended up having some very skinny stem very tall tho, and matured in 4 days.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7855502 - 01/09/08 07:15 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Never use a jar that pins early for grain to grain transfers. Usually, something is the trigger for early pinning, such as bacterial contamination. I know you don't g2g brf jars, but had it been a grain jar, you wouldn't want to use if for transfers. RR
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7855555 - 01/09/08 07:24 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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But there are no signs of contams, and it is not early, it's a 1/2 pint. And you can transfer chunks of BRF in a glove box with success if you are clean.
You put a lot of energy into disproving people but little into helpful advice.
By the way Roger, Jimi sang "Actin' funny, but I don't know why, 'scuse me while I kiss the sky."
Not "I feel funny and I don't know why. . .Excuse me while I kiss the sky", so get it right, and don't misquote people.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7855655 - 01/09/08 07:37 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: But there are no signs of contams, and it is not early, it's a 1/2 pint. And you can transfer chunks of BRF in a glove box with success if you are clean.
You put a lot of energy into disproving people but little into helpful advice.
By the way Roger, Jimi sang "Actin' funny, but I don't know why, 'scuse me while I kiss the sky."
Not "I feel funny and I don't know why. . .Excuse me while I kiss the sky", so get it right, and don't misquote people.
How do you know there are no signs of contamination? Are you superman and have supervision? There could be a bacterial contamination.
And RR has many times said that you can transfer pf cakes, especially if you don't use the dry verm barrier and cover the innoc holes in micropore instead.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Captain Cubensis]
#7856184 - 01/09/08 09:18 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: But there are no signs of contams, and it is not early, it's a 1/2 pint. And you can transfer chunks of BRF in a glove box with success if you are clean.
You put a lot of energy into disproving people but little into helpful advice.
By the way Roger, Jimi sang "Actin' funny, but I don't know why, 'scuse me while I kiss the sky."
Not "I feel funny and I don't know why. . .Excuse me while I kiss the sky", so get it right, and don't misquote people.
Where do you get off saying RR doesn't make any effort into helping people. ARE YOU CRAZY he has more post here than anyone I imagine, and more than half I bet are helping people. Quit acting like a douche bag if you want to stick around. Im sure you can defend yourself without talking shit about the moderators,especially when it's BS.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) *DELETED* [Re: Nibin]
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: anarchOi]
#7856362 - 01/09/08 09:48 PM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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That post wasn't talking about early pinning, it had to do with temp. drops being a pinning trigger ...
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7859057 - 01/10/08 12:03 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Update: The jar now has a mushroom, not a pin, a huge shroom about to grow out of the jar last night when I got home... So that was like only 18 hours after the pictures were taken. Even with the cake at 85% colonization I had to birth it. So far so good. As for my FC, it's currently 100% humidity and around 75, 78 degrees F. Do you think I should drop the temps a bit?
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7859411 - 01/10/08 01:14 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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No, you're perfect. Did you wash the cake well after birthing to remove any uncolonized parts? RR
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7859444 - 01/10/08 01:18 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: No, you're perfect. Did you wash the cake well after birthing to remove any uncolonized parts? RR
The uncolonized parts were white with mycelium, it would've been more trouble with contaim. and detail with a knife than worth.
So basically I can see a little darkness of vermiculite that's not totally covered with mycelium... I know this isn't best method, but I really had no choice, it was ready to fruit!!
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7859460 - 01/10/08 01:20 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Yeah im contemplating taking mine out of the jar and getting rid of the non colonized bit. It has alot of little pins but they haven't grown any bigger in 2 days.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7859461 - 01/10/08 01:20 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Oh yeah, one more question. Since I currently have only 1 cake in the FC I really don't have to worry about FAE as much, correct? Maybe just 2 -4 times a day?
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7859467 - 01/10/08 01:22 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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DontPlay said: Yeah im contemplating taking mine out of the jar and getting rid of the non colonized bit. It has alot of little pins but they haven't grown any bigger in 2 days.
I'm having GREAT results so far. Just checked, even more pins and that large pin is already grown beyound the cake... I'm happy for a first timer.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Fraggin]
#7859773 - 01/10/08 02:14 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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"Temp drop is not a pinning trigger"
not true. temp drop results in the myc ability and need to feed and grow and switches to fruiting mode. its kinda like a flashing sign telling the myc to switch roles and get going
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: tealeaf]
#7859780 - 01/10/08 02:16 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Look at what happens in nature to understand pinning triggers. errr..Triggers pinning, triggers pins? lol.. Trins piggers...
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Fraggin]
#7859787 - 01/10/08 02:17 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Fraggin said: Look at what happens in nature to understand pinning triggers. errr..Triggers pinning, triggers pins? lol.. Trins piggers...
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Nibin]
#7859815 - 01/10/08 02:22 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Captain Cubensis said: I would recommend you use that jar for G2G, since it is showing easy fruiting genetics.
CC, tranferring mycelium from one jar to another will not isolate the easy fruiting genetics. A jar inoculated with multispore will contain different portions with different genetics, be they compatible or not)
By doing a G2G from multispore spawn you will not isolate a set of genetics.
Where did you get that idea from?
He didn't say isolate, and though a grain to grain transfer would not isolate a set of genetics, it would minimize the sets that you are working with when compared to a multi-spore inoculation.
I have taken rhizomorphic mycelium from rhizomorphic areas of a grain jar innnoculated with ms, and grown and entire jar of what look like cotton rope. I have done this on numerous occasions. So, I have to disagree with part of your detraction from the advice given.
I fully agree with your answer, and am totally aware that by doing a g2g selecting specific areas of mycelium you will significantly reduce the amount of sets of genetics but...
C) It won't give the desired results 100% of the time. It is up to luck if you managed to isolate the set of genetics you wanted or not. Without more information on WHY he should have done the g2g and what effects it would have that piece of advice was no good.
I agree that i would be lots of luck involved with this kind of method because there would be a chance that you would get two sub-strains (is that the correct term) or two sets of genetics onto your other grain jar or petri and be dealing with the same dynamic of a jar of multiple genetics, but, it can be done. Usually it takes a bit of running and multiple petris or jars of grain, but, I have done it numerous times......
The guys idea was to keep a good colony of mycelium going by doing a grain transfer, not bad advice at all. I pointed out that you detracted from his advice by bringing up isolates. A totally seperate process altogether that wasn't mentioned.
Remember, its more helpful to add advice than to detract from advice, unless someone is blatently wrong of course. I have come to the conclusion that some people in this hobby have to grow some green in order to grow some shrooms and are going to make illogical judgements and follow silly teks just subconciously just to learn.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: tealeaf]
#7859829 - 01/10/08 02:24 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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tealeaf said: "Temp drop is not a pinning trigger"
not true. temp drop results in the myc ability and need to feed and grow and switches to fruiting mode. its kinda like a flashing sign telling the myc to switch roles and get going
With species that grow in colder climates yes, but not with P. Cubensis. They are a tropical species and do not get temp drops in nature so why would they react to a temp drop?
Tests have been made, with cold shocked and non cold shocked cubes side by side and cold shocking them actually slows them down
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Nibin]
#7859837 - 01/10/08 02:25 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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As Nibin said, just to verifiy, yes, these are B+ cubes.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7860227 - 01/10/08 03:42 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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"Tests have been made, with cold shocked and non cold shocked cubes side by side and cold shocking them actually slows them down "
very interesting. ive just been confused because many teks say to drop temp to initiate fruiting. i just always thought that drop in temp or cold shocking caused the myc to switch gears and start the process of fruiting.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: tealeaf]
#7860351 - 01/10/08 04:16 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Maybe the decrease in temp would help trigger but cold shocking a tropical species would probably confuse them. There use to more temperate climate.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7864560 - 01/11/08 11:26 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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I took a picture this morning, but being a camera phone and the fact I was running late it was way too blurry...
But I now have four pins which are huge! So I'm happy...
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Nibin]
#7864897 - 01/11/08 12:49 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Nibin said: Cold shocking them actually slows them down
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: Blutjager]
#7868280 - 01/12/08 07:55 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Here is my FC - that cake is doing so well I wish I had a better camera...
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7868426 - 01/12/08 09:19 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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I use a heating pad and a thermostat that you can get from any hydro shop... its used for seedling heating pads... I have used these for years, and they work great... just get a heating pad that is meant to have the lil cusion that you soak in water and put it in the heating pad.. That way you know it is water proof, and the thermostat has a failsafe, so if it shorts, it kills power... very safe.. kinda pricey.. about $45 for the thermostat.. but they last forever, and you can use them in any size terrarium, as long as you have a water proof pad to add heat (or you can use the TiT with the aquarium heater, and hook that to the thermostat.. It has a temp probe that you put in the incubator to watch the temps..)
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DJYoshaBYD]
#7868681 - 01/12/08 11:10 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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I think you nailed it DJ Yosha... I need to invest, err, upgrade to what you suggested, thanks!
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7868692 - 01/12/08 11:13 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Or you could buy two rubbermaid bins and an aquarium heater for cheaper than 45 and make a tit incubator. Plain simple and easy. Using a heating pad distributes the heat unevenly, It might work but it's not the best idea.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7868743 - 01/12/08 11:32 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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You guys really need to quit confusing silly 'incubators' with fruiting chambers. First, incubators are not needed if you heat your house to normal room temperature, and secondly, never heat a fruiting chamber. It causes condensation, which robs your humidity right out of the air and turns it into useless moisture on the side of the container, thus drying out your cakes/substrates. RR
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: RogerRabbit]
#7868800 - 01/12/08 11:49 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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I didn't even realize he was talking about an FC, I was just responding to the comment about the heating pad thing.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7868888 - 01/12/08 12:29 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Good point RR i never use incubator my house stayes at 72 i just put my cakes in a big ass lunch box with a quilt my grandmother made
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: fstrainpain]
#7868892 - 01/12/08 12:30 PM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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well i cover the box with the quilt
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: fstrainpain]
#7882828 - 01/15/08 11:17 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Thanks for replies..
I took a picture this morning, these three are going to be huge!
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7882864 - 01/15/08 11:20 AM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Nice is that a first flush or second ?
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7883485 - 01/15/08 01:32 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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First flush. There are about five aborts, they should be pretty potent. I haven't done mushies since '99... And I've only done them three times... This weekend is gonna be nuts!
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7883501 - 01/15/08 01:38 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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On that subject, any recommendations on what I should do this weekend? Get a lot of organge juice, movies n' shit... ?
Oh, the Seattle EMP might be fun, but I really don't want to be in a public place!
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: verminute]
#7884630 - 01/15/08 05:19 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Idk I don't tend to hang out in public places while on them either. Music is fun for me, movies sometimes ruin the trip If your gonna be in a house without adults just keep all the lights on or one room dark and just kinda explore. When I walk around I tend to see more interesting things than If I sit in one place.
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Re: Pinning inside jars @ 75% colonization (w/ pics) [Re: DontPlay]
#7884671 - 01/15/08 05:25 PM (16 years, 17 days ago) |
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Good point, moving around was always best... I am an adult so no need to worry about parents...
I do recall the last time I did them, junior year in high school. I came home to my parents house trippin' balls, my pupils were HUGE! I walked into the living to my mom and her friend having a fucking tee party. Talk about buzz kill.
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