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second flush monster!!
    #7852733 - 01/09/08 09:14 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

the biggest fruit here weighed 1 oz on the nuts. the biggest one for me yet. was the only one on the cake but its huge. does this seem to be the norm only getting a single fruit off a cake on its second flush?[image][/image]


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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: kupa trooper]
    #7852742 - 01/09/08 09:18 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I've heard people say that. A lot of times cake produce one or two bigguns, or lots of small ones.

Move onto casings if you can.

BTW: Congrats on that monster.:heartpump:


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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #7852748 - 01/09/08 09:20 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

thanks man i have 6 WBS jars knocked up right now


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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: AroundtheSon]
    #7852755 - 01/09/08 09:22 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

I don't know about a single fruit, but I have noticed that progressive flushes seem to have fewer fruits but they tend to be larger in size. I guess it is the myc knowing it is running out of nutrients and is a last ditch effort to make as many spores as possible...


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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: the4x4hoss]
    #7853178 - 01/09/08 11:27 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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I don't know about a single fruit, but I have noticed that progressive flushes seem to have fewer fruits but they tend to be larger in size. I guess it is the myc knowing it is running out of nutrients and is a last ditch effort to make as many spores as possible...




then wouldn't making 50 mushrooms that can drop spores faster then 1 be more logical.


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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: killerthc]
    #7853264 - 01/09/08 11:51 AM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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the4x4hoss said:
I don't know about a single fruit, but I have noticed that progressive flushes seem to have fewer fruits but they tend to be larger in size. I guess it is the myc knowing it is running out of nutrients and is a last ditch effort to make as many spores as possible...




then wouldn't making 50 mushrooms that can drop spores faster then 1 be more logical.




In my opinion it would use fewer nutrients to enlarge a few fruits as opposed to making additional complete fruit bodies. Look at a ring to one of your jars. It has an outside diameter of roughly 3"... It would take roughly seven 1" caps to have the same gill area as a 3" diameter cap. I believe it would be more efficient to beef up one stem and one cap instead of creating seven complete fruits. I may be wrong but hopefully someone with more experience can give a definitive answer.


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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: the4x4hoss]
    #7853282 - 01/09/08 12:01 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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killerthc said:
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the4x4hoss said:
I don't know about a single fruit, but I have noticed that progressive flushes seem to have fewer fruits but they tend to be larger in size. I guess it is the myc knowing it is running out of nutrients and is a last ditch effort to make as many spores as possible...




then wouldn't making 50 mushrooms that can drop spores faster then 1 be more logical.




In my opinion it would use fewer nutrients to enlarge a few fruits as opposed to making additional complete fruit bodies. Look at a ring to one of your jars. It has an outside diameter of roughly 3"... It would take roughly seven 1" caps to have the same gill area as a 3" diameter cap. I believe it would be more efficient to beef up one stem and one cap instead of creating seven complete fruits. I may be wrong but hopefully someone with more experience can give a definitive answer.




EDIT: Stupid me mixed area and circumference up.


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Edited by Nibin (01/09/08 01:42 PM)


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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: Nibin]
    #7853436 - 01/09/08 12:44 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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Nibin said:
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the4x4hoss said:
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killerthc said:
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the4x4hoss said:
I don't know about a single fruit, but I have noticed that progressive flushes seem to have fewer fruits but they tend to be larger in size. I guess it is the myc knowing it is running out of nutrients and is a last ditch effort to make as many spores as possible...




then wouldn't making 50 mushrooms that can drop spores faster then 1 be more logical.




In my opinion it would use fewer nutrients to enlarge a few fruits as opposed to making additional complete fruit bodies. Look at a ring to one of your jars. It has an outside diameter of roughly 3"... It would take roughly seven 1" caps to have the same gill area as a 3" diameter cap. I believe it would be more efficient to beef up one stem and one cap instead of creating seven complete fruits. I may be wrong but hopefully someone with more experience can give a definitive answer.




Where did you get the numbers?

It is just maths. 2 * pi * R

3 in diam = 9.4 in2 area

1 in diam = 3.1 in2 area

9.4/3.1 = 3x1 inch shrooms = 1x3 inch shroom





Actually I didn't do the math... Just had a picture on my head. I will explain... Have you ever held 7 pencils in you hand at once? To get a circular shape you have 6 pencils surrounding 1 pencil at the core. Now imagine that your pencils are 1" in diameter. If you look at the pencils from the eraser end you will see you have a maximum of 3 pencil widths(3") any way you turn your bundle equaling 7 1" circles in a 3" circle. Since you tried to make me look stupid but did the math wrong I will correct you and make you look like a third grader...

Area of a circle = pi X Radius(half the diameter) squared

Area of a 3" diameter circle
3.14 X (1.5 X 1.5) = 7.065 square inches

Area of a 1" diameter circle
3.14 X (.5 X .5) = 0.785 square inches

Area of a 3" diameter circle divided by the area of a 1" circle
7.065 / 0.785 = 9 one inch caps in the area of one three inch cap


So in all actuality my guess was off a little... But now it has been proven that one 3" dia. cap has the same surface area as 9 1" dia. caps...


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Edited by the4x4hoss (01/09/08 12:55 PM)


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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: the4x4hoss]
    #7853725 - 01/09/08 01:41 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

GAH, call me stupid if you want but because I was being lazy (and couldn't get my calculator)I used an online converter to calculate the area of the circles.

This thing calculates both area and circumference and I gave both the formula and the results of the circumference, not the area.

No wonder I thought my answer sounded wrong

D'OH

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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: Nibin]
    #7853833 - 01/09/08 01:58 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

so do ya think i will get any more off of it. or do ya think it shot its load and is spent?


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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: kupa trooper]
    #7853934 - 01/09/08 02:16 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

You should expect at least 3 or 4 flushes if the cake does not contaminate before.


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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: Nibin]
    #7853991 - 01/09/08 02:28 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

looks nice


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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: Twiggs]
    #7854091 - 01/09/08 02:46 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

The next flush might even be as big if not bigger.


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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: verminute]
    #7854190 - 01/09/08 03:06 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

You know the smaller ones are more potent per gram right? And you don't wanna wait till the veil tears away to harvest.

When the fruit goes into sporalization mode, it stops making the good stuff.

Harvest right before the veil tears, or right at the first sign of veil tearing.

You probably know that already, but I just wanted to make sure cause it looks like you waited until the caps opened to harvest, which is way too late for max potency.

Actually, dry weight is not increased much either by letting them grow after sporalization begins.

The fruit actually has the same number of cells at pin stage as it does at harvest.

The cells don't divide, they just get bigger, kinda like fat cells in a human, plus they are 92% water.


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Re: second flush monster!! [Re: the4x4hoss]
    #7854221 - 01/09/08 03:12 PM (16 years, 23 days ago)

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the4x4hoss said:
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Nibin said:
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the4x4hoss said:
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killerthc said:
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the4x4hoss said:
I don't know about a single fruit, but I have noticed that progressive flushes seem to have fewer fruits but they tend to be larger in size.  I guess it is the myc knowing it is running out of nutrients and is a last ditch effort to make as many spores as possible...




then wouldn't making 50 mushrooms that can drop spores faster then 1 be more logical.




In my opinion it would use fewer nutrients to enlarge a few fruits as opposed to making additional complete fruit bodies.  Look at a ring to one of your jars.  It has an outside diameter of roughly 3"... It would take roughly seven 1" caps to have the same gill area as a 3" diameter cap.  I believe it would be more efficient to beef up one stem and one cap instead of creating seven complete fruits.  I may be wrong but hopefully someone with more experience can give a definitive answer.




Where did you get the numbers?

It is just maths. 2 * pi * R

3 in diam = 9.4 in2 area

1 in diam =  3.1 in2 area

9.4/3.1 = 3x1 inch shrooms = 1x3 inch shroom





Actually I didn't do the math...  Just had a picture on my head. I will explain...  Have you ever held 7 pencils in you hand at once?  To get a circular shape you have 6 pencils surrounding 1 pencil at the core.  Now imagine that your pencils are 1" in diameter. If you look at the pencils from the eraser end you will see you have a maximum of 3 pencil widths(3") any way you turn your bundle equaling 7 1" circles in a 3" circle.  Since you tried to make me look stupid but did the math wrong I will correct you and make you look like a third grader...

Area of a circle = pi X Radius(half the diameter) squared

Area of a 3" diameter circle
3.14 X (1.5 X 1.5) = 7.065 square inches

Area of a 1" diameter circle
3.14 X (.5 X .5) = 0.785 square inches

Area of a 3" diameter circle divided by the area of a 1" circle
7.065 / 0.785 = 9 one inch caps in the area of one three inch cap


So in all actuality my guess was off a little...  But now it has been proven that one 3" dia. cap has the same surface area as 9 1" dia. caps...




quote quote quote blah blah blaghs

decent 2nd flush dude,

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