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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: Diploid]
#7859020 - 01/10/08 11:57 AM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Diploid said: Look, the way I see it, a mother with 6 kids by age 26 who doesn't care enough about her kids to own a home for them before pushing them out (she rents according to the article) is an inconsiderate breeding cow that we're better off without. If she can't afford a home for her 6 kids, I'll put money on the fact that neither she nor her kids have medical insurance. That means seven people's medical bills get paid by me, including the maternity medical costs six times over.
And you know what? Guess who's gonna have to pay to raise those kids in foster care now that she's dead? I'm pretty sure she didn't make arrangements for her kids to be taken care of if something happened to her like a responsible parent would. I know this because a responsible parent wouldn't be mixed up with drug dealers and putting her kids at risk like that. I know this because a responsible parent wouldn't have six kids when she can't even afford a home.
Maybe I'm an asshole for thinking like that, but there it is.
There are too many fucking people weighing down this planet and making me pay for it already without people like her making things worse.
And again, the cops were a bunch of fuckups for what they did, but she was far more of a fuckup in my book by virtue of her disregard for her kids. I'm just glad she got killed before pushing out baby #7.
Good riddance!
aside from the fact that for many, selling drugs is a means for an end such as owning a home, and the impoverished often have to resort to such means simply to pay medical bills even though they DO have insurance, yes she deserved to die because she was not likely wealthy and a mother to multiple children.
If you are better off than her and your infant children are shot in the face you will likely be recipient to just as much sympathy and just as much disympathy as she is/was.
Just because you seem to think like a monster doesn't mean buddha won't smile on you, so cheer up!
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: Cowgold]
#7859239 - 01/10/08 12:34 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: LoWgRoW]
#7859599 - 01/10/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 22 days ago) |
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She didn't deserve to die, but I don't have any sympathy for her.
Tongue in cheek... Good thing that cop got her when he did, I bet she was pregnant.
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: Cowgold]
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7863525 - 01/11/08 03:18 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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> I think easy access to dirt cheap (if not free) birth control, multiple forms of it, along with instructions for proper use, should be available to everyone.
There is easy access. Walk into any planned parenthood and you can walk out with a prescription for birth control pills and a handful of condoms. Very cheap to free because of (mostly) private funding.
When I was growing up, my mothers "best friend" had 18 children. All but two of them were adopted "difficult" children. (Difficult as in nobody wanted them because they had health or mental problems, etc.) Her husband was the VP of large company in the area and they could afford to raise this many kids. (Not all 18 were in the home at once, this was the total over many, many years.) There are cases, far and few, where a family can have a lot of children and not be the traditional breeder as described by Diploid. Unfortunately, my example is rare while Diploids assumption (which I agree with) is the norm.
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: Seuss]
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: Diploid]
#7864515 - 01/11/08 11:19 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Diploid said: A 26 year old mother of six! Geezuz!
I'm glad the breading cow is dead. We have enough welfare babies without these people pumping more out at the rate of one a year.
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7864532 - 01/11/08 11:22 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Are the pills extremely cheap as well as the condoms (not really any Planned Parenthoods near where I live, so I'd have no idea)? If so... then i guess there's just little hope for a # of people.
There is just little hope.
Planned Parenthood is gov't ran. I am sure there is one where you live, if you live in the US.
Condoms are free, and if you don't have money so are pharmaceutical contraceptives.
And pregnancy tests...
And STD tests...
People are just fucking dumb.
There is no cure.
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: Seuss]
#7864698 - 01/11/08 11:58 AM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Seuss said: There is easy access. Walk into any planned parenthood and you can walk out with a prescription for birth control pills and a handful of condoms. Very cheap to free because of (mostly) private funding.
This is something that the government should be doing. It's probably the biggest no-brainer that ever existed.
Anyone who wants one should be able to get a vasectomy, chemical sterilization, IUD, pill, or condom at no charge. It would pay for itself a thousand times over, especially if the government socialized it and thereby got a good bulk discount.
In fact, you should be required to sign a waiver stating that you refuse birth control if you don't want it.
But anyhow, nobody seems to care that we don't have any facts showing this person to be anything less than an upstanding citizen. The article didn't list her occupation or say that she was on welfare. It didn't even say that she'd ever been caught with drugs or was a drug user. She simply happened to associate with drug users, which she may or may not have known about.
You guys are talking about her like she was a piece of shit solely based on the fact that she had six kids. That's just plain stupidity.
Nobody seems to think of the fact that once a squad of cops bust into somebody's home and shoot a child and kill a mother they ARE going to find drugs there. It doesn't matter if there were drugs there or not. Cops are going to plant evidence and cover up their murder however they can.
Did you already forget the news story just awhile ago where the cops busted into a home on a false tip and killed a grandmother? Those cops then planted drugs at the scene! The coverup later got discovered, by pure luck of course, and the cops were prosecuted.
I'd go so far as to say that anytime cops kill an unarmed person during a raid and then "find" drugs at the scene that should be thrown out right off the bat in any court that isn't blind to history and reason.
Cops will cover up their murders any way they can. They would sling any mud they could at this woman, so the fact that it doesn't say ANYTHING bad about her (except for the fact that she has six kids) would lead me to believe that she was probably an upstanding member of society, until they killed her.
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: fastfred]
#7864784 - 01/11/08 12:22 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Her and her kid were shot in a crackhouse. I guess she was just lost or needed to borrow a cup of sugar.
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: fastfred]
#7864839 - 01/11/08 12:33 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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Another drug war victim - Tarika Wilson
On Friday, 26-year-old Tarika Wilson, single mother of six, was shot by police in her home and killed. Her one-year-old son was also shot as she held him and will survive. Two dogs were shot and one died. Tarika's boyfriend was arrested on suspicion of possession of crack cocaine.
Chief Garlock confirmed that the search warrant was executed at the correct address. He said officers were aware that children were inside the home because there were toys in the yard outside and on the front porch. [...] Police Maj. Richard Shade, a former SWAT commander for the department, said it's not unusual for children to be inside homes raided by police officers. [...]
"This is a terrible situation that resulted from a very dangerous situation that occurs when a high-risk search warrant is executed," Chief Garlock said.
Yet apparently, nobody connected with the Lima, Ohio police force had the mental capability to consider whether a different course of action might be in order. The people know better.
Last night, a crowd of 300 people marched with family members to express their sorrow and outrage.
"Remember that baby who is in a hospital and that woman laying on a slab being dissected because the Lima police overstepped their bounds," Brenda Johnson, executive director of the community center, told the crowd before the march began. Ms. Johnson said it was reckless for police to raid a home with so many children inside.
"This time it was someone else's child," she said. "Next time it could be your child, your grandchild." [...]
People prayed, sang, and chanted "truth and justice" in front of the home last night.
Many people wept as Pastor C.M. Manley of New Morning Star Missionary Baptist Church led them in song.
People laid stuffed animals in front of the home and placed a banner with prayers for the family. It also contained slurs against white police officers. [...]
"Not all the police are bad. Some of them have children," Pastor Arnold Manley of Pilgrim Rest Baptist Church told the crowd. "But the majority of the ones in Lima are."
Tarika Wilson was loved by family and community. They will not sit back and let this happen without demanding answers.
Lima Councilman Derry Glenn owns the house but did not live there. Mr. Glenn last night called for an independent investigation from the Ohio attorney general's office. "I am very upset about the way this happened," he said. "I feel we need a thorough investigation. The first murder in 2008 came from a police officer."
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Anonymous said... Tarika Wilson was my sister, and no matter what the flaws of her or her boyfriend, she did not deserve to die and my 1 year old nephew did not deserve to be shot. It is sad that in this time of tragedy for my family we have to defend the victim and a child that was wounded. Let us not forget that we have 6 children without a mother and now a family without a sister and daughter. I am a Law Enforcement Officer and I feel that the SWAT Member was WRONG in all aspects of the shooting.
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Brenda Johnson, executive director of the Cheryl Allen Southside Community Center says Anthony Terry was apprehended immediately and taken from the home and placed in a police cruiser.
“They had the target of the warrant,” says Johnson. “The police had Anthony Terry, so why would they go back in the house? They already knew who lived there and that all they would find would be a young mother, her six children and two dogs. Knowing that, why would you begin to shoot in the house? Why would you go up the stairs?”
When neighbors alerted Tarika Wilson’s family, they came to her home, but were stonewalled for hours while police secured the scene. Vickie Johnson is Tarika’s aunt. She says the police were rude and displayed no sense of compassion. “You don’t tell a woman whose child is in a house surrounded by police after guns have been fired, to shut up, or move back or you’ll be tazed,” says Vickie Johnson. “That was her baby in the house, and her grandbabies. She wanted to know if her daughter was in the house and they told her to shut up.”
No one in authority spoke to the family for four hours.
They were waiting for a search warrant that would allow them to re-enter the house after the Tactical Team left. And they had made the call to the state. They were also waiting for them to arrive to begin to process the site.
Finally, the family was told of the death. At the impact of the words from Chief Garlock, Tarika Wilson’s mother, Darla Jennings, fell to the ground.
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Meanwhile, across town concerned residents and the victim’s family gathered at the Cheryl Allen Southside Community Center to organize thoughts and actions and express their outrage in an environment away from the eyes of the media.
Reverend Arnold Manley took the lead of the discussion explaining the importance of working within the system while monitoring the investigation to make sure things are not “swept under the rug” Reverend B. Lamont Monfort encouraged the crowd of nearly 150 to think. “We have to be clear thinking and not be a distraction to the process. You can only win if you think beyond your anger. Our first priority has to be this family. We have to make sure they are taken care of and that their needs are being met.” The decision was made to gather again at 4:30 that day to hold a candlelight vigil in honor of Tarika Wilson. They would march in peace to demand the answers as to why this incident became a death sentence for a 26 year old mother of six.
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Within the crowd, people began to tell stories of Tarika Wilson. “She was a good mother who loved her kids, and she was going to start school on Monday so she could begin to make a better life,” said one mourner.
“They killed her. Shot her down like a dog,” said another.
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Thirteen-month old Sincere Wilson continues to be cared for by Columbus Children’s Hospital where he was life flighted after being shot in the shoulder and hand. One of his fingers was shot off and he has undergone two bouts of surgery. Doctor’s have said he is too young to know how extensive the damage could be to his arm. It is possible he may not have full usage.
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“So what is the truth? Any other time, when they make a bust they lay all they’ve found out on the table so we can see it. Drugs, money, guns… where are they? Show us what you found! I don’t believe there were drugs in that house, and we’re going to find out the truth.” Johnson vows to hold a march every Saturday until the investigation is completed.
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Junior Cook, Ms. Wilson's cousin and next-door neighbor, said police "broke down the door and started shooting."
He denied police claims that Terry sold drugs from the house.
"No one ever came and knocked on that door or bought drugs there," Mr. Cook said.
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The Lima Police Department have released the name of the officer involved in the shooting that killed 26 year old Tarika Wilson last friday.
Sergant Joseph a Chavalia is the officer that shot and killed Wilson and wounded her son on January fourth.
Chavalia is a thirty year veteran of the police force.
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On 1/4/08, a Lima Ohio SWAT team invaded the home of 26 year old Tarika Wilson an innocent woman shot and killed her, and shot her one-year-old son. The Baby lost one of his fingers due to the trigger happy cops.
Tarika Wilson was to begin college Monday to study business in hopes of making a better life for herself and her six children.
"She was supposed to start Monday with me," her sister, Tania Wilson, said.
Tarika Wilson will never have that chance.
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Lima police long have targeted African-Americans, such as holding youths face down on the ground and pointing guns at them and then claiming they had the wrong group, alleged Councilman Tommy Pitts, chairman of council’s safety services committee.
Sorry for the cut-and-paste hack job, but you guys really ought to know the whole story about the woman you're ripping on.
Most of us here would be lucky to get the community support this woman has. Obviously she was not a bad person.
-FF
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7865065 - 01/11/08 01:33 PM (16 years, 21 days ago) |
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EntheogenicPeace said:
Plus, I didn't think it was government run, but I could be wrong. I would think the religious right would be up in arms if the government was using tax dollars for abortions (& other forms of birth control they also consider to be murder).
Yes, the Theocratic Right does hate P.P., and rails against it at every opportunity.
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: fastfred]
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Re: Identity of raid officer who killed mother and wounded 14 month old, shielded [OH] [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
#7868002 - 01/12/08 02:44 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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> I agree that the level of hostility towards her & the support for the police is surprising on a site like this.
It isn't so much hostility towards the woman as it is hostility towards a woman that pops out six children in an environment that is not suitable for raising even a single child. If she had no children, the response would be much different. Most people posting here understand the need for responsibility with drug use. Irresponsible acts combined with drugs are a large part of what give drugs a bad reputation with the rest of society. When we see somebody being irresponsible with drugs by having children around, then we tend to get a bit hostile. As far as support for the police... perhaps you should re-read the entire thread.
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