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New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley
    #7851368 - 01/09/08 01:37 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.marinij.com/millvalley/ci_7914594

An Icelandic national has been arrested on charges of laundering money for William Leonard Pickard, a former Mill Valley man convicted of running a massive LSD lab inside a Kansas missile silo, authorities said.

Stefan Wathne made an initial court appearance in Newark, N.J., this week on a federal grand jury indictment from San Francisco. Wathne, whose last known residence was Moscow, was arrested in New Delhi on Sept. 24 and remained there while federal authorities arranged for extradition.

Wathne eventually agreed to come to the United States voluntarily to face the indictment, and he appeared in court Monday after landing at Newark International Airport. He is free on $5 million bail pending a hearing Thursday in federal court in San Francisco.

Pickard, a Harvard graduate and former drug policy researcher at the University of California, was arrested in 2000 after investigators discovered he was operating a major LSD laboratory inside a decommissioned nuclear weapons silo in Kansas. Also arrested was Clyde Apperson, a computer specialist from Santa Clara County.

Federal investigators seized more than 90 pounds of LSD from the facility, saying the bust was the largest LSD lab seizure in the history of the Drug Enforcement Agency. Authorities said the lab was large enough to produce 16 million doses of the hallucinogenic drug, known formally as lysergic acid diethylamid.

In 2003, after an 11-week jury trial in Kansas, Pickard and Apperson were found guilty of possession with the intent to distribute and conspiracy to manufacture and distribute LSD, officials said. Pickard was sentenced to life in prison and Apperson received a 30-year term.

The indictment against Wathne charges him with conspiring to launder the proceeds from the LSD lab, authorities said. The alleged money laundering occurred between spring 1996 and November 2000.

Authorities did not say when Wathne was indicted or how much money he is suspected of laundering. He could face up to 20 years in prison and $500,000 in fines if convicted.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7851517 - 01/09/08 01:59 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

"16 million doses of the hallucinogenic drug, known formally as lysergic acid diethylamid."

Wait a minute....LSD doesn't stand for Lysergic Acid Diethylamid anymore? I am so out of the loop, when do they change these things!


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: GigaHurtz1]
    #7851552 - 01/09/08 02:05 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

GigaHurtz1, I think you have "formally" and "formerly" confused :-)


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: karma35]
    #7852327 - 01/09/08 05:52 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

GigaHurtz1, you wiseass! This isn't something to joke about. This is serious shit man. 16 Million Doses. holy Jesus.

That's enough to melt down oh I'd say 16 Leary's.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: Magicius]
    #7852597 - 01/09/08 09:38 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

90 pounds!! I have never heard of lsd being described as weight.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: LoWgRoW]
    #7852614 - 01/09/08 10:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Life in prison? yeah, that seems fair - considering all those minds he would have liberated.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #7852919 - 01/09/08 12:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I want to know how you raid a missle silo.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: rodfarva]
    #7852935 - 01/09/08 12:14 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

90 pounds = 40 823 313 300 micrograms


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: kristofer]
    #7852979 - 01/09/08 12:30 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: simplemachine]
    #7853169 - 01/09/08 01:24 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Federal investigators seized more than 90 pounds of LSD from the facility, saying the bust was the largest LSD lab seizure in the history of the Drug Enforcement Agency. Authorities said the lab was large enough to produce 16 million doses of the hallucinogenic drug, known formally as lysergic acid diethylamid.




Stupid fucking media, always writing about things they know nothing about.

90 pounds of LSD is 40,823,313,300 micrograms. That's 408,233,133 100 mic hits! That's 408 million hits, not 16 million.

Obviously if they had 408 million hits then their lab was capable of a lot more than 16 million.

God that's a fuckload of acid!


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #7853174 - 01/09/08 01:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Life in prison?  yeah, that seems fair - considering all those minds he would have liberated.





Everytime i see something related to pickard it gives me that horrible gut feeling...  It's just not right.

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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: why_not_me]
    #7853188 - 01/09/08 01:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Remember too that he was ratted out by another LSD researcher. I'm kind of surprised that he's still alive.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7853510 - 01/09/08 02:58 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Wow... life in prison.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: somebody041]
    #7853814 - 01/09/08 03:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

honestly tell me, what are the negative effects of lsd? Im not aware of any in healthy users. Ive never tried it. Does it relly make you gay? is that why its a life sentance?


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: rodfarva]
    #7854235 - 01/09/08 05:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

life in prison... Can u even imagine that? I don't understand how u could condemn sumone to that for drugs. The punishment doesnt fit the crime


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: sHrOoMaCiDe]
    #7855177 - 01/09/08 08:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Nope. But who's speaking out about it? A small handful of people i'd bet.

LSD can cause some psychological problems in some users with heavy and/or consistent use. How do you know how it will effect you? Take a hit and find out. hehe.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #7855202 - 01/09/08 08:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

they didnt really find 90 lbs, they weighed out all the precursors. but the dudes did have a few kilos there at the time.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: 2859558484]
    #7855995 - 01/09/08 10:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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GigaHurtz1, I think you have "formally" and "formerly" confused :-)




shhhhh no one knows that! hah

Ya, I remember reading that article about the Pickard bust and how it wasn't actually 90 lbs of LSD. They included prerecurors such as the trunk load of ergot that they found and some other stuff in the weight too I believe. But ya, life in prison is EXTREMELY harsh! And how they got caught in a Missle Silo....there was a lot of traffic coming in and out of the Silo, among other things, I believe.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: GigaHurtz1]
    #7856429 - 01/10/08 12:00 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

He was ratted out by John Halpern, a leading psychedelics researcher affiliated with both Harvard University and MAPS.

MAPS Researcher Accused of being a DEA Informant, @ the recent Switzerland LSD Symposium
http://www.dextroverse.org/forums/index.php?s=ae1658fddf136c7571314ca8a9f9ba35&act=ST&f=15&t=28664


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7856748 - 01/10/08 12:53 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Federal investigators seized more than 90 pounds of LSD from the facility, saying the bust was the largest LSD lab seizure in the history of the Drug Enforcement Agency. Authorities said the lab was large enough to produce 16 million doses of the hallucinogenic drug, known formally as lysergic acid diethylamid.




Stupid fucking media, always writing about things they know nothing about.

90 pounds of LSD is 40,823,313,300 micrograms. That's 408,233,133 100 mic hits! That's 408 million hits, not 16 million.

Obviously if they had 408 million hits then their lab was capable of a lot more than 16 million.

God that's a fuckload of acid!




Coulda been 16million hits of some really good shit?


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7856789 - 01/10/08 12:59 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, and Pickard ratted out a few other people before he got busted. Fuck Pickard, I hope that asshole dies in prison. I loved eating his acid, but you snitch on someone you shouldn't walk away from it. This is karma for him snitching, not for him making LSD.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: GigaHurtz1]
    #7856885 - 01/10/08 01:12 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

i completely agree with you guys, it was a ridiculous punishment (but who honestly thought he would get away with that) and he should be free. but people should really be aware that LSD isnt "the most healthy chemical anyone can ingest, with no adverse effects".

take leary for example. he was a brilliant mind before he began experimenting with psilocybin, etc., not that he wasnt after, but after he got deep into acid (and got out of jail), if you heard him speak and saw the look in his eyes, you could tell there was something seriously wrong with him.

check out any youtube videos of him. after the 60s, he was still a brilliant person and had a great deal of wisdom, but there was clearly something wrong with his brain.

i for one dont contest that acid is completely safe. it sure kicks ass though.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fapjack]
    #7857593 - 01/10/08 04:12 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, and Pickard ratted out a few other people before he got busted. Fuck Pickard, I hope that asshole dies in prison. I loved eating his acid, but you snitch on someone you shouldn't walk away from it. This is karma for him snitching, not for him making LSD.




WTF are you talking about? You better have some sources because people who accuse people of narcing are just as bad as narcs.

If you make up shit like that you get put in a hole just the same as a narc.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7857636 - 01/10/08 04:49 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

so whats the consensus on neurosoup/KAC?
i seem to be ill-informed
and i had b=never heard of any narking by pickard
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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: catfish]
    #7857949 - 01/10/08 09:26 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/2003/sanfran112403.html
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Further trial evidence established that in the history of DEA there have only been four seizures of complete LSD labs and three of these seizures involved Pickard and Apperson including a lab in Mountainview, California in 1998, a lab in Oregon in 1996, and this lab in Wamego, Kansas.




He testified both times, I would have to read through the DEA site to get specifics. Also, Chinacat talked about it as well in his LSD thread in ODD I believe. Its not all that big of a secret, if you read all the DEA articles about Pickard since he was arrested you would have read about it.

Actually, I just found a link that gives a bit more info.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2000/12/07/MN154990.DTL
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Pickard and Apperson are longtime clandestine chemists, according to the affidavit. In 1988, Pickard was arrested by Mountain View police for making LSD, but the charge was dropped because he had been an informant for both the California Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement and the DEA, it says.





I hope all of you now realize that Pickard was a piece of shit that would sell his own people down the river to save his own ass. Rot in prison you piece of shit.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: learningtofly]
    #7858062 - 01/10/08 10:04 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fapjack]
    #7858074 - 01/10/08 10:08 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4971211

Your claims seem pretty vague and unsubstantiated. If he ratted somebody out then who was it? What did they get charged with?

Vague news stories are not proof of anything. If there was any sort of verifiable fact included in it I might tend to believe, but I haven't found anything.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: learningtofly]
    #7858422 - 01/10/08 12:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I get this mental image of a raver with one of those backpack decon sprayers on hopping around blasting crowds of people with showers of LSD.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7858737 - 01/10/08 01:08 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I swear to god you are the biggest fucking moron on the shroomery. Just shut the fuck up, and believe what you want. Read up on the topic, I refuse to waste any more time on you. Ecstasy is safer than aspirin, LOL. Fucking newbie.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fapjack]
    #7860298 - 01/10/08 05:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Fapjack you haven't even been here a year and you're calling me a noob.  LOL

I bet I can goad you into continuing.  :bitch:


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7860336 - 01/10/08 06:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1604327#1604327

This is probably the most respected person on this site. He was family, in the LSD game, and knew what was going on. If you don't believe me, whatever, but trust me, this guy knows what he's talking about.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fapjack]
    #7860571 - 01/10/08 06:53 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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After his bust there was a mad scramble in N. Cal. The feds were everywere they shouldn't have been. The precurser market(the link that ties every one together) was exposed and i'm told quite a bit of ET ended up in the Pacific ocean by family that was totally freaking out. A lot of heat came down on people who didn't work with Pickard but knew him. It's possible that someone Pickard had working for him talked, or mabye Pickard himself. No body knows, but it's evident that someone was giving out a lot of information that is highly gaurded. This is why Every family stopped any activity.




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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7860650 - 01/10/08 07:09 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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He couldn't be around the BEL or family. After his second bust and his co-operation with the feds he was shunned from the family and no one would work for him. The people he narced on were old school family!!! Yes they were messing around with hard drugs, but they were also key players in some of the LSD family's. It wasn't like he narced on some latino drug lord, and it wouldn't have mattered who it was because YOU DO NOT CO-OPERATE WITH THE FEDS,PERIOD.





Search this Marquardt Pickard fentanyl. Pickard told the police that the lab they found wasn't his, but Marquardt's. This is one example on him throwing someone under the bus. Chinacat wouldn't have said this if it wasn't absolute, he said that people dealing with hard shit got ratted out, what he is talking about in your post is in regards to LSD.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fapjack]
    #7861721 - 01/10/08 11:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It's well known that Pickard was a narc. He was a DEA informant. Quoted from the Topeka Capital Journal- "Pickard has testified, according to court documents, that in the past he has worked as an informant to the DEA in San Francisco, and for two years he was deputy director of the Drug Policy Analysis Program at UCLA..."

This thread is the first time I've heard anybody try to defend Pickard. I've heard nothing but bad things about the guy.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: muistrue]
    #7861782 - 01/10/08 11:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

http://cjonline.com/webindepth/missilesilos/stories/011101_lsdsilo.shtml
Is the link. It actually talks about it in one of the DEA articles as well, but there are a bunch and I didn't feel like looking throught all of them.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fapjack]
    #7862152 - 01/11/08 12:02 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

FF everyone knows Pickard is a NARC now give it up... read the millions of articles about him he will develop into a sleazebag right before your eyes. He was a sell out not only was he a NARC once he RE-NARCed again, he's been busted for LSD 3x times I believe if you do your research.

Actually if you do your research you'll find good ole Leary was in the sack with the feds too.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: karma35]
    #7862190 - 01/11/08 12:08 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: opensaysme]
    #7863467 - 01/11/08 04:44 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: rodfarva]
    #7863527 - 01/11/08 05:20 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

my friend said he knows or knew of a guy who got busted in wyoming for lsd and they weigh out the sugar cubes for instance and divide that by 100mc to get the number of hits and it's several times more than it should be.. thats how they bust you. you could have a bunch of water or something and they'd weigh that -- they're filthy trying to exaggerate how much drugs you actually produce or whatnot


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: flavoraid]
    #7863746 - 01/11/08 08:22 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not trying to argue. I don't know the whole story, but it seems like neither do you.

If you're going to call somebody a narc you better know who they ratted out and how much time they got. If you were to call somebody a narc on the streets without that info you'd be liable to be jacked on the spot.

I searched and couldn't find anyting other than vague references. Sounds to me like it's just a rumor or speculation.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7863836 - 01/11/08 09:03 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe someone could get ChinaCat in here to explain this to FF it seems he has a problem with being wrong.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: rawtoxic]
    #7864516 - 01/11/08 01:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, watch out, rawtoxic is a narc. He ratted out some people to the DEA back when he got busted.

I don't know who he ratted out or when or even if anyone actually got busted over it, but someone told me he's an informant so you better steer clear of that "sleazebag".


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7864665 - 01/11/08 01:48 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

How old are you? You think the DEA or local enforcement give out that information? You might be able to find it if you search court files, maybe, but if he just gave information he might not have had to testify. At this point you just look like a moron arguing to everyone else, so I could care less if you keep going. Its clear as day that Pickard claimed the lab wasn't his and even gave a name to whose lab it was. Believe what you want.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fapjack]
    #7864901 - 01/11/08 02:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, telling the cops who's name is on the deed to the place is really being an "NARC".

Anyways I was browsing the web and I found an old usenet post that proves fapjack is a narc. It's long gone and didn't say who he narced on, but it's obvious that fapjack is a narc.

In fact I'm ging to give him a bad trade rating because he narced on that one guy way back when. Everyone else do the same.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7865856 - 01/11/08 06:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I hope you give me a bad trade rating, then I will never have to read your stupid fucking posts ever again.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fapjack]
    #7866854 - 01/11/08 11:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: ThirdEyeOpening]
    #7867417 - 01/12/08 01:56 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/12/19/MN150948.DTL

"In 1988, Pickard was picked up as he left a Mountain View warehouse used as an LSD lab. He faced 20 years in prison if convicted, but the drug charge was dropped because he had been an informant, the affidavit says."

He was a narc, plain and simple. Life in prison is karma for co-operating with the feds.

Anyway, I wonder how much money he was making doing this, needing a money-launderer and all.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: dtugg]
    #7868353 - 01/12/08 10:44 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Pickard helped identify "new drugs of abuse," said Presti in a letter to the Kansas court. "This work is profoundly useful to society and to the development of government policy in this area."




That may be the extent of being an "informant". Any number of things he had done for the DEA might have generated this comment. He was working on a public policy PhD and had had plenty of contacts with the government and the DEA.

And since when does a vague remark in the media make you a NARC? Nothing in the statement is remotely verifiable. It doesn't say who he narced on, what case it involved, if anyone was charged because of him, who filed the affidavit, where it was filed, or anything else that should lead anyone to think that there's any basis behind it.

Anyone can file an affidavit saying anything they want. That doesn't make it true. Things like that aren't usually admissible in court precisely because they are often total bullshit.

I don't really give a shit about Pickard, but what pisses me off is people throwing around accusations with no details and no proof.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7870178 - 01/12/08 08:22 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Hey, watch out, rawtoxic is a narc. He ratted out some people to the DEA back when he got busted.

I don't know who he ratted out or when or even if anyone actually got busted over it, but someone told me he's an informant so you better steer clear of that "sleazebag".





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fastfred said:Anyways I was browsing the web and I found an old usenet post that proves fapjack is a narc. It's long gone and didn't say who he narced on, but it's obvious that fapjack is a narc.

In fact I'm ging to give him a bad trade rating because he narced on that one guy way back when. Everyone else do the same.




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fastfred said:I don't really give a shit about Pickard, but what pisses me off is people throwing around accusations with no details and no proof.




A little hypocritical, aren't we?


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: somebody041]
    #7872726 - 01/13/08 11:36 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

It's called sarcasm, look it up.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7873649 - 01/13/08 04:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Hey FF just wondering, have you even been wrong?


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: rawtoxic]
    #7875237 - 01/13/08 09:49 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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Hey FF just wondering, have you even been wrong?




I was wrong once... You see I thought I was wrong, but it turned out I was right.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7875459 - 01/13/08 10:18 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Are you 16?


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7892874 - 01/17/08 02:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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fastfred said:
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Federal investigators seized more than 90 pounds of LSD from the facility, saying the bust was the largest LSD lab seizure in the history of the Drug Enforcement Agency. Authorities said the lab was large enough to produce 16 million doses of the hallucinogenic drug, known formally as lysergic acid diethylamid.




Stupid fucking media, always writing about things they know nothing about.

90 pounds of LSD is 40,823,313,300 micrograms. That's 408,233,133 100 mic hits! That's 408 million hits, not 16 million.

Obviously if they had 408 million hits then their lab was capable of a lot more than 16 million.

God that's a fuckload of acid!




Who knows what they weighed. They could have weighed the containers, the jugs of chems and everything.

1 gram = 10,000 doses

90 pounds would be 403,200,000


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: SheikCorp]
    #7892881 - 01/17/08 02:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Does L even come in at 100% pure. I thought the best was needlepoint at 95%


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7908021 - 01/21/08 02:05 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

fapjack is correct. Pickard is an informant.

He was an understudy for the lead at the gloriously and freshly minted DEA in 1974. He was what you call a "walk in," from the documents I reviewed. He ponied up his manhood to facilitate in work concerning the operations and detection of clanlabs. Many in the community know this and are aware that he was asked to get inside the BEL. Working for DEA he enumerated many of the relationships he cultivated and in 1976 he revealed to the FEDS the largest LSD lab (at the time) in the north of California.

Furthermore, at the handling of his agents in the 1970's, Pickard obtained employment at firm that supplied labratory equipment to various clanlab operations. He showed for this job as an undercover where he used his status to repair and catalogue used equipment while all the while reporting to his handlers. He was under the supervision of DEA and BNE.

If you really want to know, why don't you just call Agent Nichols and ask him, or better file a FOIA request.

By the way Fastfred it was Todd Skinner who brought this whole operation down. Others were called in to testify, but Skinner who was close to Pickard is central informant.

While you are out there in denial Mr. Fastfreddy why don't you write a letter to former Ambassador Robert Gelbard, the one time assistant secretary of state for international narcotics matters and law enforcement and ask him for a copy of Pickards masters thesis concering "the development of a system of monitoring trafficking and use" in the former Soviet Union. It's a real gemstone of analysis, the sort of document that makes one a talented scout in the outliers of fingering clanlab activity. Hmmm. Still skeptical. Just ask for more, it's the tip of the ice-burg. One doesn't just casually graduate to interviewing heads of foreig law enforcement agencies without some serious backing. Ever wonder what interests were backing him?

I have to say, I am thoroughly amused at your naivete, but disturbed by your allusions to violence, e.g. "If you make up shit like that you get put in a hole just the same as a narc."


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: exist]
    #7910147 - 01/21/08 05:43 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Well, there you go. He worked for the DEA in the 70's. Pretty much what I said earlier. Kind of questionable how much of a "narc" he was since you expect DEA and ordinary chem store people to report things and you have no expectation of a confidential relationship with them.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: fastfred]
    #7911348 - 01/21/08 09:03 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

You know, I think Shulgin worked for the DEA too! They're everywhere!


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7911708 - 01/21/08 09:59 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Shulgin was a DEA chemist, there's a big difference. He testified in court, he didn't make arrests nor give information to arrest people. Also, I only think he worked with the DEA to get a drug handling license.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #7912752 - 01/22/08 12:45 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I believe hoffman had ties with the DEA too, that sly old bastard!


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: opensaysme]
    #7929273 - 01/25/08 12:57 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Stranger is the closest to the truth, Leonard is a dangerous individual.Would do or say anything to save his butt.
Todd skinner was out of his mind. Too many spilled flasks.
Halpern led the pack and never testified. Why was that.
saving his own ass. That is how it was..... for the rest of the story.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: learningtofly]
    #8041519 - 02/19/08 05:26 AM (13 years, 20 days ago)

http://calibre.mworld.com/m/m.w?lp=GetStory&id=293988741

A member of a prominent New York family was identified as a key figure in an alleged drug ring run out of an abandoned nuclear missile silo in Kansas.

Stefan Wathne, 39, was arrested last month at a Newark, N.J., airport after three years on the run from charges stemming from a major LSD trafficking ring.

The New York Post said Monday that Wathne, a one-time trustee of the American Ballet Theater, was accused of laundering nearly $3 million between 1996 and 2002. The charges were made after the leader of the ring, Harvard researcher Dr. John Halpern, was arrested after narcotics agents found an LSD lab secreted in an old missile silo outside Topeka, Kan.

The case resulted in a massive federal grand jury indictment out of San Francisco.

Wathne allegedly skipped town and was living in Russia for a time, the Post said. He had been arrested in India last year and voluntarily returned to the United States Jan. 7 to face charges that could send him to prison for 20 years.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #8051347 - 02/21/08 12:31 PM (13 years, 18 days ago)

The N.Y post is a rag. Stephen wathne was going to turn
7000,000.00$ into 3 million by investing in some scheme in the Soviet. Just an other causality of Dr Haplerns lack of boundaries and naivete. Stephen was Dr. halperns high school buddy he thought could help. the good doctor love to help when he gets 2000$ a night hookers.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #15237202 - 10/17/11 08:00 AM (9 years, 4 months ago)

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You know, I think Shulgin worked for the DEA too! They're everywhere!




i had read that Shulgin was contracted by the the DEA to develop new analogs so they could be be classified illegal, preventing anyone else from getting a step ahead...

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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: cateyes]
    #27217508 - 02/20/21 11:55 PM (15 days, 2 hours ago)

Where did you read that? (Always good to give a source if it's something that's in writing)
It doesn't seem to tally with the facts, otherwise back in the 90s these things would have been scheduled before, not after they hit the streets. The introduction of catch-all analogue laws was precisely because the authorities couldn't keep on top of all the new analogues. Sash had been looking into structure-activity relationships since the 60s, as a matter of personal interest. I doubt he was doing it to order for the DEA, but they would certainly have been closely following his work, because they had given him a license and he had chemist friends in the agency. As others have pointed out he HAD to cooperate with them to some degree to keep his license so that he could keep doing what he was doing, but as far as anyone knows he would just testify as a chemist when asked [not ideal, but a necessary evil I guess you could say], and is not known to have snitched on anyone.


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Re: New arrest in case of LSD kingpin from Mill Valley [Re: cateyes]
    #27217582 - 02/21/21 12:41 AM (15 days, 1 hour ago)

It's no secret that at times Shulgin maintained a working relationship with individuals within the DEA, analyzing samples for them, consulting, etc. But it was never anything like described.

After the publication of PIHKAL the DEA raided his lab, he was arrested, ended up with a $25,000 fine and the revocation of his DEA license number.


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