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Amazon / F+ Casing Grow Log - Second Flush Pics [29.01.08]
#7851183 - 01/08/08 11:07 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Being someone who always referees to the search function, you can be sure I did search, but wasn't really able to find the info I need. Maybe I over read it, or maybe I was too stupid to find it. Anyway, I didn't and so I ask.
If this is a question that has already been answered lots of times, I'm sorry and will re-use it, to make it my new grow log thread 
So here's a pic of a current Amazon casing I have going on. I used crumbled PF cakes and covered it with 50/50 layer. Anyway, it colonized fine but I'm worried about overlay and also want to know, when exactly I should put it in the FC (have lot's of experience with cakes and a few casing but want to optimize the hole casing game...). Additionally I need to know if I should patch the hole thing and THEN put in the FC or patch it, let it colonize a little more and put in the FC after myc shows up at the surface.
Thanks in advance ppl 
Here's the pic:

OK, since I said, I'd re-function this thread as grow log for the Amazon and F+ casings I have going on right now, I keep my promise and do it 
I re-cased both the casings and put them in the incubator for another day (Just because I first had to make up another FC).
Anyway, I put in the FC two days ago and they seem to like it!
11.01.08:
Amazon

F+

12.01.08
The Casings develop quiet good. The Amazon mycelium is a little ahead fo the F+ and started to poke through the layer. The F+ isn't as far, but also looks healthy.
Amazon



F+

I'll keep you updated! 
Ups, what I forgot. When I cased the cakes a few days ago, I threw one Amazon cake in the FC and it has developed nicely 
12.11.08
Amazon PF-Cake



Edited by Fahkface (01/29/08 10:57 AM)
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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#7851346 - 01/08/08 11:32 PM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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I'm glad I'm not the only one with casing questions. I read, read, read but never seem to find the answers to questions. 1 is the same question you are asking.
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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#7851762 - 01/09/08 12:48 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Quote:
Fahkface said: Being someone who always referees to the search function, you can be sure I did search, but wasn't really able to find the info I need. Maybe I over read it, or maybe I was too stupid to find it. Anyway, I didn't and so I ask.
If this is a question that has already been answered lots of times, I'm sorry and will re-use it, to make it my new grow log thread 
So here's a pic of a current Amazon casing I have going on. I used crumbled PF cakes and covered it with 50/50 layer. Anyway, it colonized fine but I'm worried about overlay and also want to know, when exactly I should put it in the FC (have lot's of experience with cakes and a few casing but want to optimize the hole casing game...). Additionally I need to know if I should patch the hole thing and THEN put in the FC or patch it, let it colonize a little more and put in the FC after myc shows up at the surface.
Thanks in advance ppl 
Here's the pic:
Wow Fahkface! Ok, here goes..... You had the right idea, but you dropped the ball on the method in which you went after you cased.
After you crumbled up the cakes, you should cover and let the mycelium recover for 24 - 48 hours. After that time you apply the proper casing layer and put in the fruiting chamber right away! You want to introduce fruiting conditions immediately. That picture is complete overlay. Why? Because you still have them in vegetative conditions. When you say 50/50 you mean the standard peat/verm? That is an awfully lot of overlay for that kind of casing layer. So what now? Re apply a thin 1/4 inch casing layer and introduce fruiting conditions right away! It will be about 4 to 5 days depending on your methods, but you should see mycelium poking through and start to form hyphal knots and pins following shortly after. Take a look at these pics of my grow that was done in the same fashion as yours, (crumbled cakes with a casing layer). Notice that there is absolutely no overlay, just fruit bodies coming out of the casing layer.
  
Hope that helps. Good Luck!
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I get more and more confused. I spawn grain to Hpoo, then let it colonize. When should I be applying the casing mix?
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Re: Casing question... [Re: resptodd]
#7851817 - 01/09/08 01:01 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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after you hpoo has colonized and you're ready to put the tray into your FC.
Some people also suggest a late casing strategy of not casing until pins have appeared.
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Re: Casing question... [Re: resptodd]
#7851911 - 01/09/08 01:21 AM (16 years, 24 days ago) |
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Let me help clear the confusion. Fahkface was crumbling already fully colonized cakes. He was NOT SPAWNING to a bulk substrate like you are resptodd. He already went through the waiting period of colonization. He chose to crumble and case versus dunk n' roll. You, on the other hand chose to SPAWN to a Bulk Substrate,(preferred method). You will have to wait until your grain fully colonizes your Hpoo. That's like starting from scratch in a way. You need to wait for the colonization process to start and finish all over again, (just like the grain jar). Here are some very current pics of my current Ecuador grow. It is WBS spawned to Coir/coffee/worm castings. I took these pics about 10 minutes ago. I judge that it will be ready, (fully colonized), in about 3 more days.
  After that, then I will apply the casing layer and introduce Fruiting conditions.
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Well, thanks...
The problem about all that was, that I didn't have the time patch the last days, so I thought "Fuck it! and simple let it colonize.
Since the strain I used is Amazon, it was kind of clear for me, that there will be overlay (due to it's tendency to develop it).
Anyway, I'll mix up some more casing material and re-case that whole thing and then I'll throw it directly in the FC.
Thanks again...
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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#7868202 - 01/12/08 06:54 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Thread has been revived and re-functioned!
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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#7868229 - 01/12/08 07:18 AM (16 years, 20 days ago) |
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Thanks, This clears things up for me also.
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Re: Casing question... [Re: fisher7989]
#7872559 - 01/13/08 08:03 AM (16 years, 19 days ago) |
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Though it might be not very interesting, I'll keep posting colonizing pics of the two casings, as well as -the probably a bit more interesting - Amazon PF-Cake.
13.01.08
Amazon




F+ (Not as fast and not as "spectacular"!)

Amazon PF-Cake (Doin' good )


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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#7887604 - 01/16/08 09:06 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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Well, well... Here's another update to this casing thing. Both casings had their time to fully colonize and therefore they seem to have thought, it's time for them to initiate pinning.
The Amazon casing has developed the most ropy mycelium I've ever seen on on of my casings / cakes etc. Very nice! It has started pinning yesterday, though most of the pins are not very big and would probably considered knots 
16.01.08
Amazon:




The F+ casing has developed pins even earlier. Though you don't see it, it forms quiet a lot of pins 
16.01.08
F+



The Amazon cake was harvested on Monday the 14.01.08. It has developed the most beautiful fruits of all the ones, I've cultivated. For me, these things are what I want! My favorite strain 
14.01.08 - In the morning
Amazon:


In the evening of the same day:




Hope you like them as much as I do
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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#7887608 - 01/16/08 09:08 AM (16 years, 16 days ago) |
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very nice! that cake turned out really well
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Re: Casing question... [Re: shroober]
#7893041 - 01/17/08 01:18 PM (16 years, 15 days ago) |
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So here's the next update.
Unfortunately the F+ casings turn out to be pretty lame! Though there are quiet a lot of pins, they get really slender  I don't have too much time to do FAE but since all the other grows turned out quiet well, I don't think it's the problem, unless the F+ strain is more sensitive to a lack of fresh air.
The Amazon casing does quiet well, but see for yourself!
17.01.08
Amazon



As I said, the F+ one doesn't do too good. I hope it's getting better when the two or three bigger ones are "harvested" and the small ones have a chance to grow a little better.
17.01.08
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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#7900546 - 01/19/08 05:27 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Next update!
The Amazon casing still develops quiet good and has formed nice fruits. Not too man, but very beautiful ones!
The F+ Casing really upsets me, since I expected a lot more. The fruits are VERY thin and small and they don't seem to get any bigger. Don't know why!?! They are in the same FC as the Amazons and they seem to be just fine... Maybe genetics, but anyhow, they kind of suck!
Well, here are the pics:
18.01.08
Amazon:




18.01.08
F+
the below seen fruit actually the biggest that has developed. All the others were and are even smaller / thinner 

19.01.08
Amazon:



19.01.08
Again, the drama...
F+


Any ideas why the F+ looks so crappy while the Amazon looks so healthy at the same time??
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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#7900599 - 01/19/08 06:27 AM (16 years, 13 days ago) |
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Yeah I have the same problem with my Thai- PB they seem to be mostly skinny but long mushies. Kinda like that one big one in that pic.
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Re: Casing question... [Re: DontPlay]
#7904722 - 01/20/08 04:40 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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OK, so here we go again!
The Amazon casing was just harvested and brought quiet good results. But the more important factor for me is, that I found my absolute favorite strain in the Amazon. In my opinion it produces the most beautiful fruits from all the strains I've "tested" 
The F+ is still crappy and I guess I have to try it again, maybe with cakes this time 
So here are some more pics from yesterday:
19.01.08
Amazon:



19.01.08
F+

The first pics were taken last night at about 1.00 am
20.01.08
Amazon:



In the morning, about half an hour ago, they were fully matured and had opened their caps. Torn off time!






Wet weight was 139 grams.

20.01.08
F+

Now, here's the update for the single Amazon PF-Cake 
19.01.08

20.01.08
Edited by Fahkface (01/20/08 10:18 AM)
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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#7905018 - 01/20/08 09:04 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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nice pics!
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Re: Casing question... [Re: hazey]
#7905051 - 01/20/08 09:15 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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great quality pics
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Re: Casing question... [Re: UCX_911]
#7905102 - 01/20/08 09:39 AM (16 years, 12 days ago) |
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good job..
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Re: Casing question... [Re: nw_shroomy]
#7949966 - 01/29/08 10:56 AM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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Sooo... Long time no see and therefor I just post all the images of the last days.
We start off with the Amazon casing, that has performed quiet good on it's first flush, but pretty bad on the "second" (actually it wasn't really a flush but some late-asses )
25.01.08
Amazon


27.01.08
Amazon (god damn, I love this strain...)



And here's the F+ casing that -as I already told you about a billion times before- has developed quiet a lot but very slender fruits. But it's getting better 
21.01.08
F+



22.01.08
F+ ( I picked some of them to let these ones mature...)


29.01.08
F+
(after fully harvesting the casing, this one's the second flush. the fruits get bigger, while their number reduces)


And last but not least the lonely Amazon Cake, that has performed quiet well! Cute little guy 
21.01.08
Amazon PF-Cake
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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#7950188 - 01/29/08 12:08 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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That's interesting that your F+ is turning out thin, during my last grow I experimented with F+ the results were impressive, very large and meaty fruits. However, currently I am working with Brazilians and some poeple that I have spoken to say that Brazilians tend to be meaty, with thick stems, and potential large fruits. My result is the complete opposite; very hallow stems that split and small fruits. However, they are surprisingly potent. I am going to try F+ with my next grow...I'll keep you posted on it.
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Re: Casing question... [Re: newmodel]
#7950305 - 01/29/08 12:43 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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It often appears that mushrooms of a certain species develop completely different from the ones you have seen somewhere else.
I'll try to reuse the print of the biggest fruit I can get from it (though it's actually senseless) and see if something different come out. It's a pity for I looked for that strain VERY long and had high expectations in it. Well, you can't have everything I guess 
The experience I made with Brazil were quiet pleasant. The fruits got really large and had indeed meaty stems. Strangely during the second flush some spore less Albinos showed up 
Here's a pic of the Brazil I got from a first flush PF-Cake:

The second flush Albino on the right, beside a non Albino from the same cake:
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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#7950536 - 01/29/08 02:04 PM (16 years, 3 days ago) |
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CLONE THAT BITCH
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What for? To have a sporeless strain? Doesn't sound too cool for me... Additionally this in May of last year, so it could be hard to clone it
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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#8060103 - 02/23/08 12:05 PM (15 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's been a LOONG time and actually there's nothing new to post. At least nothing very spectecular.
Every once in a while a fruit pops up and that's it.
Here just some pics i took over the last weeks.
As I said, nothing spectecular 
Amazon - ONE! fruit came up after the second "flush" and the mycelium seemed to have given all it's potential to this one mushroom At first it grew as a side pin. I then removed the tray. Therefore it looks a little weird:
13.02.08

14.02.08

15.02.08





The F+ tray let pop up just a few more fruits. Not many, no big ones... Just some fruits:
30.01.08



10.02.08
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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#8104519 - 03/05/08 01:48 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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LITTLE update on the Amazons:

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Re: Casing question... [Re: Fahkface]
#8105301 - 03/05/08 09:22 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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nice work
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